Why can't we discuss permabans?

FrostArcher KDA·Jan 7, 2016·1 votes·572 views

Look, I won't beat around the bush I was a fairly toxic player because I fed into the other players. But like me other people can create league accounts and just be toxic to new players causing them to rage and leave! Why not just give us a chance to repeal the bann and get our accounts back. Honestly I spent a ton of money on it and I totally regret my decision. But I am ready to be a positive entity in the game again and participate in the growing community. Am I wrong for feeling people deserve another chance? I mean... isn't this a teen game?...

16 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerJan 7, 20165 votes

Because you were given 3 prior warnings and nothing changed. You lost your ability to appeal when you deliberately ignored the warnings

FrostArcher KDAJan 7, 2016

Honestly, I know what I was given. And I was totally in the wrong. You get thousands of cases every year for terrible players like I was. But its been a while and I feel as if I could be a positive entity again.. I just feel as if people that actually care again should be given another chance (despite the 3) I mean; I know it sounds silly but I have been playing since s2. It used to be negativity on negativity. But players that are negative could just create a new account and be completely toxic and drive new players away (as it did me). Will there never be a system in place for this?

HabitzJan 7, 20161 votes

Riot isn't a correctional institute. It's enough that they gave you 3 warning before permanently banning you, they are not in the business of being your guiding light on how to be a better person. It's their game and they gave you the terms and conditions of what's right and wrong and if we refuse to follow those then they shouldn't spend any additional resources to continue and try to correct our behavior.

ModWuksJan 7, 20164 votes

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But like me other people can create league accounts and just be toxic to new players causing them to rage and leave!

This would imply that the Permanently Suspended players are still toxic, which would also defeat the purpose of allowing them to appeal their suspension. Unfortunately, I think that the argument here is invalid.

Permanently Suspended players were given warnings and prior punishments and chose not to be positive players (reform). While they're more than free to create new accounts, they have to learn to be more positive/less negative; otherwise, their accounts won't see the light of day at level 30.

Samus72Jan 7, 20162 votes

I believe we're past that. You had three chances to behave and you blew it.

Just make a new account. And don't do what you did to get banned again.

FrostArcher KDAJan 7, 20161 votes

Oh sorry, I was directing this more at... riot... And I tryed that. There are way more toxic people there.

AnomanderJan 7, 20162 votes

If perma banned players can get their accounts back what is the real punishment?

FrostArcher KDAJan 7, 20162 votes

If players can get there chat back after 14 games whats the real punishment? If you go in the corner and get out what is the real punishment? I bet obama got sent to the corner as a kid. Hes a president now. How does this corolate? Because I am in the corner. If I am let out. I just might be the next pro player ;P

DREADN0UGHTJan 7, 20162 votes

No.

shyvJan 7, 20162 votes

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we create league accounts and just be toxic to new players causing them to rage and leave!

I am ready to be a positive entity in the game again and participate in the growing community.

so.... which one is it?

Amber LynnJan 7, 20161 votes

Discussing it is fine.

I think from their end they believe there is less incentive for other players to try to follow the summoner code if people can get out of the consequences.

In order for a rules/consequences system to work their has to be follow through.

FrostArcher KDAJan 7, 20161 votes

Totally agree. But what about the players making new accounts driving the new players away? Ive seen it and its rediculus. I just feel they should do something like... Make the person make an account for a year stay active and if that account hasn't been punished then the person should get there account back.. Im not saying make it easy. Just asking for a chance.

AJStarhikerJan 7, 20161 votes

They've already tried something like that. Riot handpicked permabanned players they thought the most likely to reform and allowed them a chance to recover the accounts if they could level a clean account to 20 without getting punished. There were so few successes, I don't remember hearing about any of them and they ended the challenge because it was ruining too many low-level games.

FrostArcher KDAJan 7, 20161 votes

The games are already being ruined by players making new accounts. And I remember hearing about that. But that was a while ago. The game has changed quite a bit.

AJStarhikerJan 7, 20162 votes

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The games are already being ruined by players making new accounts. And I remember hearing about that. But that was a while ago. The game has changed quite a bit.

The game has changed, but people? Not so much. And while permabanned players can make new accounts, Riot isn't encouraging them to do so. In fact, except for that experiment, the general stance is that a permaban is Riot saying "We don't care about your money, we want you gone"

TenzosanJan 7, 20161 votes

I don't understand why people always mention money in their argument about perma-bans. I mean yeah it sucks to lose all that money but you made the game a pretty shitty place for at least 4 other people numerous times. Paying money does not and should not guarantee your account's safety. That is privileged thinking and is disgusting in its own right. If you feel like you could be the next pro or like you've truly reformed your ways then it shouldn't matter if you play on a new account or your old account. An account is an account. Just be glad you're even allowed back into the game after being perma-banned.