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Remove Permanent Bans (They Should Not Exist)

4th Quarter··4 votes·2,500 views

So here is my full chat of what went on that got me permanently suspended from League of Legends. Although I was very frustrated with recent teams, I really don't think I deserved a permanent ban from what I said. The banning system that gets you banned from a 1 sided conversation from 1 person's report is very ridiculous. It doesn't promote a better league community of excellent players. First off, why would you ban a LOL player that gives you revenues. Second, why don't they include the other person's conversation in this one sided conversation list. Obviously the other player was just as guilty in having this conversation with me throughout the game, both instigiating more negativity and not focusing on the game. The worst thing that should happen is a ban from chat for a period of time or number of games, it should never go as far as permanetly banning someone for being iritiated and speaking whats on his mind. The bans should go to people who intentionally feed a game because they don't like a player or something didn't go there way. This loophole that exists probably already lost a major portion of the gaming market share of players who don't want to return to LOL because of their PG 13 rules. If you lift this ban on permanent players that have been banned for a while i guarantee you that you will gain a great number of market share of players who return to LOL. You guys should promote excellence in gaming not players that write a full page report on someone else because they have a grudge for some reason and has nothing better to do and probably feels good about it at the end of the day. Scumbag. Riot lift the bans.

P.S. My last conversation with the kid was me blocking a spell and being a sportsmanship like player in the game. Does me having some harsh words in game to get the guy to focus a permanent worthy descision? A little harsh there IMO

Game 1 4th Quarter: vayne.. what did say.. 4th Quarter: I* 4th Quarter: ZED 4th Quarter: TOO LATE 4th Quarter: .. 4th Quarter: can 1 lane not hold its own.. 4th Quarter: this is ridicoulous 4th Quarter: BAIUT 4th Quarter: DO SOMETHIING 4th Quarter: IDIOT 4th Quarter: zed your prediciton is useles.. 4th Quarter: omfg 4th Quarter: this game is so stressful 4th Quarter: dont assume things 4th Quarter: zed.. pls 4th Quarter: your not that good 4th Quarter: "he has no ward" "he will push" 4th Quarter: im better than you will ever be 4th Quarter: so yeah 4th Quarter: do you see how useless u are 4th Quarter: zed 4th Quarter: you just wasted so much time 4th Quarter: zed 4th Quarter: you retard 4th Quarter: why did you run for 3 seconds when we were fighting 4th Quarter: lmao 4th Quarter: YOU IDIOT.. 4th Quarter: we had both of them 4th Quarter: if zed didnt take 2 seconds to react 4th Quarter: like a little bich 4th Quarter: fukin chumps 4th Quarter: in this team 4th Quarter: and now your biching as welll 4th Quarter: how are you so bad both mentally and in the game at this rank.. 4th Quarter: its fukin retarded 4th Quarter: no its your head that fucked you up 4th Quarter: that little brain of yours 4th Quarter: there goes that puny head.. 4th Quarter: so report mundo? 4th Quarter: report mundo pls 4th Quarter: lol? 4th Quarter: me? 4th Quarter: how? 4th Quarter: im the best and did the best ouf of all of you 4th Quarter: your crying now 4th Quarter: im stating the fact 4th Quarter: yes 4th Quarter: now your indenial 4th Quarter: again your wrong 4th Quarter: and i just proved it to you lulu 4th Quarter: i bet your one of those douches who think your really smart 4th Quarter: loll 4th Quarter: yeah 4th Quarter: and i just saved your ass

51 Comments

Zombiemaster10 votes

First off, why would you ban a LOL player that gives you revenues.

In short, money does not give you immunity to punishments, nor will it ever do that.

If Riot doesn't ban a toxic player, sure that player might give them money, but all the other players in the toxic player's games will have a less enjoyable experience and thus be less inclined to spend money. If Riot does ban a toxic player, even if that player gives them money, then the remaining players who aren't banned will very likely have a more enjoyable experience and thus be more inclined to spend more money on the game. So, it's actually in Riot's interest to ban toxic players, as they are more likely to earn more money in the long run than if they didn't ban them due to the non banned players having a more enjoyable experience.

This same logic can also be applied to any other business there is too. Get rid of those who are causing a disturbance and you are more likely to gain a bigger profit from those who aren't a disturbance.

Second, why don't they include the other person's conversation in this one sided conversation list.

Although Riot does have access to the other players' chat logs, they only include yours in your reform card because that is what you are punished for. You are not punished for the actions of others, only your own. It doesn't matter what other players say or do, if you respond with your own toxicity, then you are simply making an already bad situation even worse, making yourself open to punishment. If others are being toxic first, the proper response would be to mute/ignore them and report them after the game. This way they will be judged for their own actions and you won't be punished because you did nothing wrong.

Also, if you're going to say "why don't they mute me if they have something wrong with what I say in chat?" I'm sorry to break it to you, but the existence of the mute button is not an excuse for you to be toxic. The mute button is there so that others don't have to deal with your chat for the remainder of the game. The report button is there so that future players won't have to deal with your chat and bother muting you in the first place.

The worst thing that should happen is a ban from chat for a period of time or number of games, it should never go as far as permanetly banning someone for being iritiated and speaking whats on his mind

Riot already hands out chat restrictions. Riot has essentially also tried permanent chat restrictions (it was really infinitely stacking chat restrictions, but pretty much the same) and found that they didn't work. While most people who get a chat restriction reform and don't get punished again, some people just don't get the message that their behavior is not acceptable with just a chat restriction, and this is when temporary/permanent bans come in. When a player shows repeated toxic behavior in chat showing no intention of changing, that's when Riot permanently bans the account. It's unfortunate for these players, but sometimes that's just what it takes for someone to finally realize that their behavior is not welcome here.

4th Quarter1 votes

"Although Riot does have access to the other players' chat logs, they only include yours in your reform card because that is what you are punished for. You are not punished for the actions of others, only your own"

DOES THAT JUSTIFY THE OTHER PLAYERS ACTIONS OF INSTIGATING THE OTHER PLAYER AND PROMOTING NEGATIVITY?

". If others are being toxic first, the proper response would be to mute/ignore them and report them after the game."

THIS IS WHAT I SAID. I'M NOT THE PERSON THAT IS MAKING THE REPORT. I HELD MY GAME DOWN AND DID MY BEST TO WIN THE GAME. THE REAL QUESTION IS WAS THE OTHER PLAYER THAT MADE THE REPORT BEING TEAM ORIENTED AS WELL?

"Also, if you're going to say "why don't they mute me if they have something wrong with what I say in chat?" I'm sorry to break it to you, but the existence of the mute button is not an excuse for you to be toxic. "

I NEVER IMPLIED THAT IT IS AN EXCUSE TO BE TOXIC. IT JUST SHOWS THE PERSON THAT MAKES THE REPORTS INTENTION. THEY ARE PURPOSELY BEING NEGATIVE BOTH IN GAME PLAY AND CHAT TO INSTIGATE FURTHER NEGATIVITY AND USING THAT TO MAKE THE REPORT. THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO WIN THE GAME. IF THEY WERE LIKE I SAID THEY WOULD BE MUTING THE OTHER PLAYER AND FOCUSING ON THE GAME.

"Riot has essentially also tried permanent chat restrictions (it was really infinitely stacking chat restrictions, but pretty much the same) and found that they didn't work."

YOUR SAYING THAT PERMANENT CHAT RESTRICTIONS DID NOT WORK? TELL ME MORE BECAUSE I REALLY FIND THAT ONE HARD TO BELIEVE. YOU CAN'T SAY TOO MUCH IN CHAT RESTRICTION SO IT IS BEST IF YOU SAVE THOSE CHATS FOR MEANINGFUL PURPOSES AND THEY WORK PRETTY WELL. SUPPOSE YOU GET ANOTHER REPORT WHILE ON CHAT RESTRICTION NOW YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. IT IS A LIE THAT THEY "FOUNT THAT THEY DIDN'T WORK". YOU CAN'T BE TOXIC IF YOU HAVE LIMITED CHAT RESTRICTION BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT USUALLY MAKES THE REPORT THINK THEY WON THE ARGUMENT WHEN YOU CAN'T REPLY TO SOME OF THEIR TOXIC COMMENTS (BECAUSE OF THE CHAT RESTRICTION) SO THEY FEEL NO NEED TO MAKE THE REPORT.

ALSO I USED CAPS TO DIFFERENTIATE MY REPLY'S TO YOUR COMMENTS

Zombiemaster6 votes

[{quoted}](name=4th Quarter,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=56a3qJE3,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-10-24T21:38:45.257+0000)

DOES THAT JUSTIFY THE OTHER PLAYERS ACTIONS OF INSTIGATING THE OTHER PLAYER AND PROMOTING NEGATIVITY?

No, it doesn't, but like I said, you are only punished for your own behavior. If you believe another player is instigating and promoting negativity, report them and they will be judged for their own behavior, just like you are judged for yours. However, what you are doing in the chat logs provided is adding on to the situation with your own negativity, and that is not acceptable. Doing so makes a bad situation even worse and makes their reports against you valid.

THIS IS WHAT I SAID. I'M NOT THE PERSON THAT IS MAKING THE REPORT. I HELD MY GAME DOWN AND DID MY BEST TO WIN THE GAME. THE REAL QUESTION IS WAS THE OTHER PLAYER THAT MADE THE REPORT BEING TEAM ORIENTED AS WELL?

So you were trying to win the game, which is good, but you were also being quite negative in chat. What I was saying by that comment is that if you find another player being toxic first, then you should mute them and report them after the game, if you feel it necessary. I'm not talking about what they should be doing, I'm talking about what you should be doing, because this is your case and punishment, not theirs. You found someone else to be quite negative in the game, and instead of muting them, you responded with your own negativity.

I NEVER IMPLIED THAT IT IS AN EXCUSE TO BE TOXIC. IT JUST SHOWS THE PERSON THAT MAKES THE REPORTS INTENTION. THEY ARE PURPOSELY BEING NEGATIVE BOTH IN GAME PLAY AND CHAT TO INSTIGATE FURTHER NEGATIVITY AND USING THAT TO MAKE THE REPORT. THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO WIN THE GAME. IF THEY WERE LIKE I SAID THEY WOULD BE MUTING THE OTHER PLAYER AND FOCUSING ON THE GAME.

Okay, so if you were trying to win the game, why didn't you mute them and focus on the game? Sure, you could be focusing on the game while still arguing with them, but you could have been focusing a lot more had you muted them to begin with.

Now, I know that muting someone doesn't not take away from their gameplay actions. If it comes to that, you still need to do your best to ignore them and focus on the yourself, or at the very least not respond with your own toxicity like you did in the above chat logs.

YOUR SAYING THAT PERMANENT CHAT RESTRICTIONS DID NOT WORK? TELL ME MORE BECAUSE I REALLY FIND THAT ONE HARD TO BELIEVE. YOU CAN'T SAY TOO MUCH IN CHAT RESTRICTION SO IT IS BEST IF YOU SAVE THOSE CHATS FOR MEANINGFUL PURPOSES AND THEY WORK PRETTY WELL. SUPPOSE YOU GET ANOTHER REPORT WHILE ON CHAT RESTRICTION NOW YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. IT IS A LIE THAT THEY "FOUNT THAT THEY DIDN'T WORK". YOU CAN'T BE TOXIC IF YOU HAVE LIMITED CHAT RESTRICTION BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT USUALLY MAKES THE REPORT THINK THEY WON THE ARGUMENT WHEN YOU CAN'T REPLY TO SOME OF THEIR TOXIC COMMENTS (BECAUSE OF THE CHAT RESTRICTION) SO THEY FEEL NO NEED TO MAKE THE REPORT.

Actually it's not a lie. Riot truly did find that this course of action did not work.

To start, it gave absolutely no incentive for a player to reform their behavior. The chat restrictions kept on stacking and stacking, to the point where players would have thousands of games worth of chat restrictions, which could easily last a few seasons. This gave players little to no incentive to reform because even if they did, they would still have the chat restrictions for a very long time. So, instead of reforming, these players just used their limited chat to harass and abuse others because all that would get them is just more chat restrictions. They did not save there limited chat for things that would be useful to the current game at all. Also, this does show that you can indeed be toxic even with a chat restriction.

On top of that, because these players only had a limited number of messages per game, when they ran out, Riot found that they would vent their frustration through different forms of toxicity, such as trolling or intentionally feeding, which jsut lead to more problems. So, Riot decided to throw away the infinite scaling chat restrictions and issue temporary or permanent bans to those who are repeatedly toxic in chat.

4th Quarter1 votes

If you have thousands of games worth of chat restrictions you deserve a ban. That would be unarguable (but your obviously puffing). Like I said in my other reply, if riot created a full non-chat restriction (0 chat not limited chat) for players that "stack chat restrictions" then there would be no way the restriction would "not work". That would solve a lot of problems.

Zombiemaster6 votes

No, I'm not puffing. You can go ahead do a google search if you don't believe me. There were plenty of people of were chat restricted for thousands of games. Now, I do admit I could have been a bit more clear on this. For some people, the chat restricted games weren't given all at once. They had maybe just a few at first, but as soon as they completed those, they instantly received more, and once they completed the second set, they instantly received even more, and this continued to the point were they eventually went through a few thousand games of chat restrictions consecutively.

However, there were some players that received a few thousand all at once. In fact, there was someone who received 5000 chat restricted games all at once. This was all due to how the punishment system worked at the time, but it has since been replaced by the Instant Feedback System, which works drastically different.

As for having absolutely no chat messages, again, that won't really work either. If players who are toxic in chat could no longer use chat, Riot found that a large majority of them would resort to other forms of toxicity, such as trolling or intentionally feeding, so Riot would just wind up banning them anyway. Doing this would simply give them more steps before a permanent ban. Players are already given multiple chances to reform their behavior before a permanent ban is issued, and a very small percentage of players even reach the permanent ban step. Those who do have simply shown that they have no intention of reforming their behavior, so even a complete chat ban wouldn't help them anyway.

Of course, there are some players who would benefit from it, but unfortunately Riot doesn't give them this treatment because then they would have to do it for everyone. As I stated before, a large majority of players would not benefit from this, so doing so would simply give them more time to be toxic before being punished.

LostFr0st7 votes

Each person is punished for what they say individually.

Permanent bans are for hate speech and consistently negative players (there's many types of negativity, from chat to in-game actions, etc.). There are also escalating steps to the punishment system so it's not like this came out of the blue.

Permabans are issued to players that are no longer welcome in the League community. The punishment system is based off of what the community deems unacceptable, so it's not like it's Riot's rules only. They are enforcing what the players want.

4th Quarter1 votes

I am fully aware of how the permanent ban system works. My argument here is that there shouldn't be permanent bans at all. Especially when it comes from a 1 sided report of another player in your team. League of Legends is more and more starting to become a toxic community because of this lousy system in place. A simple 1 month or 2 month chat restriction will do. The individuals doing this report to get players permanently banned are the main problems. They are the ones throwing games and not trying to win and intentionally letting them win in ways you cannot report because something didn't go there way (such as take farm while she is dead). Permanently banning a player loses a number of excellent players with high potentials because they are smarter than the majority of the team with people BUYING diamond 5 accounts and boosted accounts when they don't deserve the rank. How about you guys solve that issue instead of banning honest players that have some minor issues in chat. If you can't handle what's going on in the chat why don't you simply mute the player and try to win the game instead of being this sore loser that loses the game intentionally although we are on the same team and writes a full page report on a player that he instigated the whole game and feel good about it. Worst part is that the ban system works this way.

LostFr0st2 votes

[{quoted}](name=4th Quarter,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=56a3qJE3,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-10-24T21:11:56.187+0000)

I am fully aware of how the permanent ban system works. My argument here is that there shouldn't be permanent bans at all. Especially when it comes from a 1 sided report of another player in your team.

They review all reports; false ones are thrown out. Permanent bans are super rare and only used in severe cases. They straight up don't want them near their player base because they ruin the game experience for so many others.

League of Legends is more and more starting to become a toxic community because of this lousy system in place. A simple 1 month or 2 month chat restriction will do.

Obviously it isn't for some, since they keep doing the behaviors straight through the warnings. As I said, permas are rare.

The individuals doing this report to get players permanently banned are the main problems. They are the ones throwing games and not trying to win and intentionally letting them win in ways you cannot report because something didn't go there way (such as take farm while she is dead).

If they report you, your actions are looked at; if false their report weight goes down. If you report them, same thing, they are reviewed. The comment bow is only there so that Riot has an idea of what the action being reported was so they can better investigate. They still need proof to punish.

Permanently banning a player loses a number of excellent players with high potentials because they are smarter than the majority of the team with people BUYING diamond 5 accounts and boosted accounts when they don't deserve the rank.

Yes, there are such people, but how does them doing that make your chat log any better? Again, it's case by case. They are punished for their stuff, you for yours.

How about you guys solve that issue instead of banning honest players that have some minor issues in chat. If you can't handle what's going on in the chat why don't you simply mute the player and try to win the game instead of being this sore loser that loses the game intentionally although we are on the same team and writes a full page report on a player that he instigated the whole game and feel good about it.

I don't think the above chat is minor issues , especially if it's consistent (it would need to be for perma.) Wouldn't it be easier to just not write the chat instead? One person to stop writing vs getting potentially 9 people to read then mute?

Worst part is that the ban system works this way.

The comment section is for ease of investigation and improving the system (to see what players deem unacceptable), it's not used as straight-up evidence.

4th Quarter1 votes

"9 people to read then mute?"

First off, i rarely all chat because I don't think communicating and chatting with the enemy team benefits your team in any major way.

"The comment section is for ease of investigation and improving the system (to see what players deem unacceptable), it's not used as straight-up evidence."

Isn't part of investigating finding evidence or I could be wrong?

LostFr0st1 votes

[{quoted}](name=4th Quarter,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=56a3qJE3,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-24T21:40:48.216+0000)

"9 people to read then mute?"

First off, i rarely all chat because I don't think communicating and chatting with the enemy team benefits your team in any major way.

I put it there as a worst-case scenario, but yes it's 4 if you don't /all chat to shit-talk teammates.^^

"The comment section is for ease of investigation and improving the system (to see what players deem unacceptable), it's not used as straight-up evidence."

Which is exactly what I'm saying. They can't just read a report that says "he/she was trolling" and automatically say the player was trolling; that wouldn't make sense :P

Isn't part of investigating finding evidence or I could be wrong?

Yeah it is, but why make it harder to investigate and find the evidence? If they have a lead why not share it? (Inting/trolling is sometimes hard to detect compared to a bad game)

Kei1437 votes

berating and negativity towards other? check

punishment deserved. glad you are punished. and permabanned.

4th Quarter1 votes

You obviously work for riot and work on forums. Go away thanks. I want real feedback from players that feel the same way I do.

o Maui o2 votes

Soooo you're only looking to hear from people who agree with you?

4th Quarter1 votes

Is anybody forgetting that I saved the guy who reported me from a malphite ult!! xD

Kei1432 votes

oh ok, I see what you want.

ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!11 I r teh parmaband, rito system le crap and teh sux.

unban dis 4th Quarter dude nao!!

there. happy?

4th Quarter1 votes

I didn't understand a word you said xD

jpguy9022 votes

[{quoted}](name=4th Quarter,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=56a3qJE3,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-10-24T21:41:39.775+0000)

I want real feedback from players that feel the same way I do.

So you don't want a discussion you just want a bunch of people to agree with you?

Weathered6 votes

Goes to jail

"I think jails should not exist."

4th Quarter2 votes

Freedom of speech.

Weathered10 votes

Freedom of speech states that the government can't censor you, any other company or private group (ESPECIALLY if you have signed their EULA) can get rid of anything you say and you can't do anything about it.

Riot could right now delete this post and block you from posting forever and you couldn't do anything about it, it's their property.

Desolas Arterius6 votes

Freedom of Speech also doesn't mean Freedom of Consequences, which OP seems to so conveniently forget.

4th Quarter1 votes

I am implying that I have the freedom of speech to write whatever in chat based on the fact that you referenced the reporting system for in game chat to going to jail. I have the right to post in this forum and any column or reply back to my replyers. It sounds like your blackmailing me from making an argument for lifting bans but you don't scare me bud. If you read my posts carefully I'm arguing about this whole issue of accounts being permanently banned over a 1 sided report from a player who was(and usually is the case) being equally negative and instigating negative behavior. Permanent bans should be removed! Read all my posts and come back to me with a real counter-argument instead of referencing my argument in lifting permanent bans due to a conversation to committing a crime and going to jail.

Weathered6 votes

To quickly regard that the other person was equally negative, that results in equal punishment for both. It's likely you weren't the only one in a bad way from that encounter.

Yes, you do have the right to post or say whatever you want. However that right is not protected at all, Riot has an even larger right to smite it off the face of the earth. Simply saying "freedom of speech" implies that you are protected in some way in what you are doing. You aren't.

4th Quarter1 votes

I'm not sure what you are implying? Are you saying that Riot will remove this post >< ?!?!

Weathered2 votes

I'm not implying anything. I'm face value stating that Riot has the rights to their own property, and you signed the EULA.

4th Quarter1 votes

Cool glad we got that cleared up : )

Desolas Arterius4 votes

You have a "right" to write whatever you want, but that doesn't absolve you from the consequences of writing it.

If you walk into a bar and insult every patron there, Freedom of Speech does not protect you from being kicked out by the owner/manager. Freedom of Speech protects you from being censored by the Government if you decide to criticize the Government or disagree with it, but it does not protect you from the people or private corporations.

When you signed the Terms & Agreements to play League of Legends, you agreed to following Riot's Sumoner's Code, which TLDR means; Don't be a dick.

You broke that code, and per your agreement with Riot they can revoke your privilege to playing their game once you violate the terms of use.

So, please don't use the "But muh Freedom of Speech" defense when talking about a contract you accepted on your own terms, because that's not even close to how that works.

4th Quarter1 votes

Playing a team 5 v 5 game and going to a bar are two completely different scenarios.

Selegun1 votes

2 to 1 odds they read 'Freedom of Speech' and assumed they left off the TLDR

Jorencice7 votes

Freedom of speech allows you to critize the government.

it DOES NOT protect you from private companies or anyone else (except the governent)

Basically freedom of speech =/= freedom from comsequences.

Maybe actually learn about laws before trying to hide behind them.

4th Quarter1 votes

I am implying that I have the freedom of speech to write whatever in chat based on the fact that you referenced the reporting system for in game chat to going to jail.

Its interesting how nobody counter argues the fact that he referenced an in game chat consequence of being permanently banned to going to jail. If we were to reference it in more detail it is like receiving a 25 to life for making a speech.

Jorencice4 votes

Thats not at all what he was saying.

He was basically making fun of you for wanting to not be punished

4th Quarter1 votes

Arn't you a friendly guy. Are you making fun of me too hehe.

Jorencice1 votes

Freindlier than you at least.

Never even been restricted.

Desolas Arterius4 votes

Riot tried to do away with permanent bans before. Either with stacking chat restrictions or a "reform" path that allowed banned players to level up an account to lvl 20 and see if they reformed enough to get their main back.

Spoiler alert: neither worked and the reform rate was almost nonexistent (the percentage was so small it literally made no difference).

You were punished for your own behavior, and as the chat logs show, that behavior was extremely rude and negative towards your team. This behavior isn't acceptable by Riot or by the community, hence why you received a ban. Chances are you already went through the other tiers in the punishment system without bothering to reform.

You can make a new account and try again if you want to, but judging from your responses you don't seem to realize your mistakes and that you got yourself banned for your own behavior. You chose to act that way towards your teammates, and refusing to admit your mistakes will not help you learn or grow as a person.

I suggest taking this as a learning experience and perhaps finding a better way of dealing with your negativity instead of taking it out on other people.

4th Quarter1 votes

YOUR SAYING THAT PERMANENT CHAT RESTRICTIONS DID NOT WORK? TELL ME MORE BECAUSE I REALLY FIND THAT ONE HARD TO BELIEVE. YOU CAN'T SAY TOO MUCH IN CHAT RESTRICTION SO IT IS BEST IF YOU SAVE THOSE CHATS FOR MEANINGFUL PURPOSES AND THEY WORK PRETTY WELL. SUPPOSE YOU GET ANOTHER REPORT WHILE ON CHAT RESTRICTION NOW YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. IT IS A LIE THAT THEY "FOUNT THAT THEY DIDN'T WORK" which implies that players have never received a no chat restriction. How about creating a literally no chat restriction instead of permanent bans. Then there is no way that system wouldn't work because you wouldn't not be able to type anything in the game chat. YOU CAN'T BE TOXIC IF YOU HAVE LIMITED CHAT RESTRICTION BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT USUALLY MAKES THE REPORT THINK THEY WON THE ARGUMENT WHEN YOU CAN'T REPLY TO SOME OF THEIR TOXIC COMMENTS (BECAUSE OF THE CHAT RESTRICTION) SO THEY FEEL NO NEED TO MAKE THE REPORT.

Desolas Arterius3 votes

Next time, use the "Quote" feature when replying. It's symbolized as the " at the bottom of the text box.

But no, players found other ways to remain toxic in game despite racking up ridiculous amounts of chat bans. They resorted to trolling, feeding, and other forms of toxic behavior since chat was removed from them. Basically, Riot found out that simple chat bans did nothing to help players reform, and instead made them worse since they could still play the game and not risk losing their account.

The only way Riot could get players to take the system seriously was through permanent banning. However, players have 3 chances to reform before losing their accounts. And it has seen more success than the previous systems.

The whole point is to get players to reform. Which means giving the risk of losing their account should they continue to act toxic. If there was no steep punishment to change, then why would someone want to change their attitude?

4th Quarter1 votes

If there was no steep punishment to change, then why would someone want to change their attitude?

Someone would want to change their attitude to CLIMB. A simple natural punishment for being a poor player in a "effective ranking system" should be a lower rank. Intentionally feeding and trolling are natural occurrences in Bronze or so they say. : )

EvilDustMan2 votes

How long ago was your 14 day ban?

4th Quarter1 votes

I AM PERMANENTLY BANNED! Do you work for riot?

EvilDustMan4 votes

[{quoted}](name=4th Quarter,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=56a3qJE3,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-10-24T21:25:29.164+0000)

I AM PERMANENTLY BANNED! Do you work for riot?

I understand. But one of the things that can affect your permaban was if your 14 day ban was only a short time ago.

Pierce The Veal2 votes

There are no permanent bans.

There are only very very very very VERY VERY long bans.

4th Quarter1 votes

Only if that was true it would make much more sense : ))

Pierce The Veal1 votes

[{quoted}](name=4th Quarter,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=56a3qJE3,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2016-10-24T22:13:16.438+0000)

Only if that was true it would make much more sense : ))

Well I mean if you are still around a few centuries into the future then you win.

Sukishoo1 votes

Remove Permanent Bans (They Should Not Exist)

LOLOL

Dank Jerry1 votes

REST in peace noob

another lost soul summoner 1 gone but never forgotten item 3026

4th Quarter1 votes

Arn't you a friendly "noob"! Thanks for the attention come again : )

Dank Jerry1 votes

no prob, meanwhile keep making more accounts and feel free to spend Rp , ty for donation bro,

keep giving them more players and money :D and keep em permas comin

you got this item 3025

FurriesAreHot1 votes

We should also remove jails from real life.

Primaquarius1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

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