The report system is a joke

CiemnośćWidzę·Aug 9, 2016·2 votes·808 views

Hey guys, toxic bronzie here, I wanted to give my opinion on why the report system (mainly for toxicity) is a joke. So I was recently chat banned for talking shit in a video game over the internet, pretty funny right? Personally I think this game has gotten A LOT worse, and one the fun things in this game still, is trash talking and I think that the banning someone from chatting is one of the dumbest things in a game that has one way of communication and they remove that one way. If you disagree with me and you think the chat ban is a very good idea, well if someone is being toxic, there's a little thing you can do, and that's mute the player! Crazy I know. But those are just my opinion on the matter. Thanks for reading, and let me know what you think.

EDIT: I forgot to add, my friend once got a chat ban for saying "allahu akbar" every time he got a kill on Ziggs. Grow some fucking skin and just play, this is the internet, people are going to call you a fa##ot, a ni##er, a c#ck, a c#nt etc.

20 Comments

archerno1Aug 9, 20168 votes

"So I was recently chat banned for talking shit in a video game over the internet"

You should start with this so people dont have to waste time getting to second sentence.

CiemnośćWidzęAug 9, 20161 votes

If I'm correct, when creating a formal paragraph that is expected to have people read and give feedback, you start with your topic give what the paragraph is about and then proceed to go one with it.

NaeniaAug 9, 20163 votes

Lol you're missing the point, but after reading your post, I'm not surprised.

ZombiemasterAug 9, 20166 votes

The mute button is not an excuse for you to be an asshole. The mute button exists so that people don't have to deal with your shit for the remainder of the game. The report button exists so that others don't have to ever deal with your shit to begin with, and that they will (hopefully) get a better teammate in your place.

Also, as far as the "grow some skin" argument, it's absolutely stupid. It takes someone with very thin skin to think that verbally abusing and harassing others is fun. Don't get me wrong, a little bit of trash talk can add some fun, but I can guarantee what you are doing is not actually trash talk, it's simply being an asshole.

Kitty Cat ToshaAug 9, 20165 votes

I dont come online to be a verbal punching bag to some prepuberescent child who has not yet learned that throwing tantrums does NOT get him a cookie.

In real life you get punched in the face if you pull stuff like that. On the internet you get kicked out (aka banned). Welcome to life, little one.

ModPrandineAug 9, 20163 votes

From your post you sound like another one of those people who think that because it's the internet you should be able to say and do whatever you want without being punished for it. Sorry but that's not how things work. Just like in real life you can communicate and interact with other people online without being a jerk while doing so. If all you want to do is be a jerk to others when things don't go your way then expect to be held accountable for your own poor behavior. This is why Riot encourages positive play and rewards those who display good behavior while punishing those who show and display negative behavior as well.

Yes the mute button exists, but it's not an excuse to constantly harass someone in the chat. If someone has proven that they refuse to stop verbally abusing and harassing others then they eventually get removed from the game in the form of a 2-week ban or a permaban. From the Tribunal FAQ:

What's the point of having a language filter if I can get banned for 'adult' language? We aren't out to punish players who use adult language; in fact, very few players are ever banned for saying stuff like "f***, I missed that skill shot" or "damn, fing close game!" However, the language filter is not an excuse to verbally abuse someone in the game. When you verbally abuse or harass someone by calling them "fing *****" or "ngger noob", that's when you've crossed the line and will be punished by the Tribunal. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we aren't trying to clean online games of adult language; we're trying to reform or get rid of jerks who like to verbally abuse and harass other players.

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason.

Lets start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)):

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldnt need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as Argument from Stoicism and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. You should be able to handle it is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

EDITED 18 JULY 2014

GULAG 4 UAug 9, 20162 votes

Why shouldn't they remove your right to chat if you're being a dickhead?

CiemnośćWidzęAug 9, 20161 votes

As I already said, you can mute people. If someone is spamming, or being a cuck, you can hit that nifty little button that makes it so you can't see their messages.

Colgate GatorAug 9, 20162 votes

Well, it's clear that your behavior isn't what Riot wants in their game, and thus you were banned, as simple as that.

Take your chat ban as your warning, as with the mindset you currently have it's going to be a matter of time before your punishments begin to escalate, and before we know it, you will come back to the forum saying that they blindsided you with the perma and you deserve a second chance.

Cheers.

NaeniaAug 9, 20161 votes

Lol and you wonder why you're banned.

xXI3ADI3OYXxAug 9, 20161 votes

at this point if the system doesnt change i might just actually go back and start plaring a REAL game like World of Warcraft, You might pay to play but at least you dont come across this kind of shit over and over like ive been seeing in the forums.

Take it like this, most new players are seeing this as a joke and wont even bother, now im starting to see some bigger players from seasons 2-3 and so on, get banned for useless reasons, this system is a joke and its killing its comunity as Riot think htey progress with this game,

i had this instance where ive had one game where 1 guy went afk right off the bat, the other 3 were flaming hardcore to each other and i was in the middle listening to a nice soap opera...

TBH, Riot needs to get off their asses and improve the system of admit that they are the worse company in the world for gaming....at such point where everything you unlock on your account may not be entirely your sole posession??? Buul fucking shit rule

With blizzard, my account may have been inactive since 09, but rest assured a phone call and its reactivate and im ready to go. U can flame at one person and they dont ban you for that shit, its a MMORPG!!!

Keep driving out your community of new and old players Riot, your gonna go bankrupt, Be thankful for your stupid competitions wherre the NA's #1 player makes 1 million dollars playing a fucking game, They probly flamed more than any1 else but i guess were not entitles cause they;'re the ones making this company not fall to the ground.

Good job abusing the new players and gl with your shitty toxic morons who i report n report n dont get crap, its stupid, ive never seen such a stupid game for when i was wrongfully ban in the bot ban wave crap.

Since ive been on the forums ive followed everything and i find out Riot is not what it seems to be. I hope somethings will change or alot more people will end up losing their minds over your stupid analogies.

xXI3ADI3OYXxAug 9, 20161 votes

in all, id rather pay support a company like blizzard, and enjoy my game to the fullest without worries of bans, then pay to support a company who might ban you in a blink of an eye and say, oh were 100% sure, u can never be 100% sure!

NaeniaAug 9, 20161 votes

K but LoL is free.......so....?

xXI3ADI3OYXxAug 9, 20161 votes

your missing my point, i compared a company who actually invested in their game with the profits they;re making rather than pocketing most of it,

It was meant cause in the end, ive never seen such a toxic community full of people who highly think of themselves,

On World of Warcraft, its a P2P game yes!, but the grphics are kick ass, the story is vast and theres endless of things u can do in the game, so its worth your time, so in my opinion, paying them for their services was worth it cause they delivered ont heir promise.

Now youtake this LoL game, of course its a F2P game, but obviously lacking the focus of makin gplayers happy n keeping them happy, but yet you come across some assholes in the game and u cant say shit or your history. In Wow, Blizzard dont do that shit, they allow everyone to play no matter what.

Not once have i ever seen an account get banned in a game for being TOXIC??? this game or community must be one special kind of losers, or for most part who does make other peoples game frustrating cause if their idiocy.

Theres alot of improvement to this game before its great, and coming from a new player recently, i would be ashamed after 7 years they still cant get it right....and probly never will.

We give them money just so we can by skins and crap n yet they are allowed to ban without explanation.

Like i said, in the ToS it says that all your acomplishments and work on your account is not yours to permanently keep unless seen otherwise. With blizzard? theres non of that fucking crap, the only way your account gets locked, is of security compramise issues due to the authentication with cd keys n such.

I dont know personally if ill ever play ranked, from what ive seen this game is broken, Ive compared Riot to Bungie before and i can do it again, The netcode itself is broke and they dont have enough man power to do the job as we all should see it done right.

NaeniaAug 9, 20163 votes

But we're talking about LoL and it's free. And if you don't agree with the ToS, then don't play the game. I, for one, am an advocate of the verbal abuse account bans. I don't want to play in an environment where everyone is yelling and cussing at everyone. You said you'd rather support a game that doesn't ban than one that does. Yet, you're still here. I'm not trying to be rude but I just don't understand people who complain about this game and the way riot operates yet they keep playing.

xXI3ADI3OYXxAug 9, 20161 votes

ive surfed around the forums enough to know and ive read the ToS fully the last 3 times the client updated, so dont give me crap bout not following anything i am following the code.

What people dont get is theres not enough in the game as element to stop people from flaming, in WoW as an example, you were so busy in questing or doing ACTUAL TEAMWORK you had no time to Flame, or had no reason as Teamwork was always key as u qeued up for Raids or instances or etc.

But yet this game is too simple n it allows players to ruin the low lvl players game . How many people have i seen so far in the forums get bumped down from a rank due to idiot people playing low ranked. Its because those idiots mustve had a Mian account who got banned and now since they lost all their shit they gonna troll forever?

You want to ban the fucking trolls? ban the ip adress from connecting to the client, point final. Ive been more than helpful in games and i play to win, not lose, so if i can help or encourage someone to not give up, I will do so...but till this system changes, the ranked modes will never be the same as it once was.

Im just suprised with all the bs on the forums, this game hasnt been shut down yet. the system is a total failure despite the fact that it does work, 60% of the time it fails to catch the real a holes in the game,

Until this issue isnt adress and people keep getting demoted ranks cause of those losers, than nothing will ever change...and based on your analogies, your probly one of those trolls anyways, wouldnt surprise me a bit,

Unlike all the 15 year olds in here i actually know where i come from, in some aspect both game cant be compared, but the community on WoW is 80% times less toxic than this one,

Ive played wow for 6 years, i played diabl 2 since the first patch, and guess what, i never once saw people flaming...other than dumbasses who tried to fool newbies and steal their loot n stuff but you learn lol, but you dont see unsportsmanlike conduct in any of those games,

Only way any1 would get banned is by using 3rd party applications like the Stingray Map Hack for example in D2, or the botting system, only those got you banned. Unless nothing illegal was done with your account, everything was fine, same with WoW

What makes this game so Toxic then, until someone can give an honest answer than the rest is irrelevent.

NaeniaAug 9, 20163 votes

First of all, I never said you weren't following the rules. I said if you don't like them, then don't play the game. There is a huge difference. Learn it!

Secondly, you saying the reason people flame is because there's lack of the "adventure" element in this game is completely ridiculous.

Thirdly, IP bans are a very harsh punishment that Riot doesn't always like to implement because that means NOBODY at that household can play anymore and there are a lot of people who have multiple people playing LoL in the same household and if only one of those people are offensive then the other people who weren't being offensive won't be able to play anymore.

How can you say "the system is a total failure" and "it works" in the same sentence? That's totally contradictory and leads me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about.

You calling me a troll simply because I said if you don't like the way Riot operates then don't play anymore makes absolutely no sense. not to mention, you're the one that's against bans and I'm the one that's for bans. So if anyone here is a troll, it's you.

Keep trying.

ModPrandineAug 9, 20163 votes

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your missing my point, i compared a company who actually invested in their game with the profits they;re making rather than pocketing most of it,

That's subjective and open to debate. You claim that Riot doesn't care about their community because they frequently ban people for consistent negative behavior where Blizzard does care because they don't ban people for consistent negative behavior as frequently as Riot does.

It was meant cause in the end, ive never seen such a toxic community full of people who highly think of themselves,

Again, debatable, but I will say that these kinds of people exist everywhere and not just in a specific type of community.

On World of Warcraft, its a P2P game yes!, but the grphics are kick ass, the story is vast and theres endless of things u can do in the game, so its worth your time, so in my opinion, paying them for their services was worth it cause they delivered ont heir promise.

Now youtake this LoL game, of course its a F2P game, but obviously lacking the focus of makin gplayers happy n keeping them happy, but yet you come across some assholes in the game and u cant say shit or your history. In Wow, Blizzard dont do that shit, they allow everyone to play no matter what.

Actually both companies punish people who frequently try to cause trouble for everyone around them and/or ruin the experiences of others, whether through verbal abuse or cheating software. For your argument of "If I say anything in LoL I'll get punished", that's false. It's my experience that the people who make this claim are often the ones who only ever want to be verbally abusive jerks to others, hence why they claim that they get banned for simply talking in-game when in fact it's really that all they wanted to say was things that they knew were just them verbally abusing and harassing other players.

Not once have i ever seen an account get banned in a game for being TOXIC??? this game or community must be one special kind of losers, or for most part who does make other peoples game frustrating cause if their idiocy.

You must not have played allot of multiplayer online games then, or at least have only played ones that don't have as strict rules on player behavior as League of Legends does. No one is saying that you have to be a saint, but constantly lashing out at people who don't live up to your standards or expectations won't solve anything except get you in trouble for being a jerk. If someone refuses to stop acting up then just mute, report and move on rather than retaliate negatively against them.

Theres alot of improvement to this game before its great, and coming from a new player recently, i would be ashamed after 7 years they still cant get it right....and probly never will.

Again, subjective. No company can ever please everyone, and there will always be people who complain that the company didn't conform and give into their "my way or the highway" kind of attitude. I personally think Riot does a pretty good job trying to make their game and community fun to play and be a part of respectively. Do I agree with all of their decisions? Of course not. Do I agree with allot of their decisions? Yes I do.

We give them money just so we can by skins and crap n yet they are allowed to ban without explanation.

Well the Terms of Service does say that they can ban your account for any reason whatsoever. However, they primarily remove accounts who show a consistent history of toxicity, both verbal and gameplay related. They also ban accounts who use unauthorized 3rd-party software or people who share their accounts with other people.

Regardless there's plenty of information all around the site and forums that tell people what is allowed and what isn't allowed. Not only that but for verbal toxicity because it's on a 4-step system (10-game chat restriction, 25-game CR, 2-week ban, permaban), the ones that are punished have plenty of chances and opportunities to change their behavior for the better, while the ones that don't and/or won't change are the ones who are constantly getting banned.

Like i said, in the ToS it says that all your acomplishments and work on your account is not yours to permanently keep unless seen otherwise. With blizzard? theres non of that fucking crap, the only way your account gets locked, is of security compramise issues due to the authentication with cd keys n such.

Blizzard and Riot are two completely different companies. Knowing that if I'm not mistaken all ToS's state that the company reserves the right to remove your account for any reason whatsoever; it's just that most usually only do so when the person using the account is just constantly causing trouble non-stop.

I dont know personally if ill ever play ranked, from what ive seen this game is broken, Ive compared Riot to Bungie before and i can do it again, The netcode itself is broke and they dont have enough man power to do the job as we all should see it done right.

I fail to see how the game is broken just because you don't agree with them doing some things that you don't like. No game or company is or ever will be perfect, but just because a game has a few features here and there that you don't like doesn't mean that it is automatically broken.

NaeniaAug 9, 20161 votes

This! :)

ItankyouAug 9, 20161 votes

I think getting toxic players banned is more funny when they don't understand why they are being banned. I watch boosted animals run in circles all day confused and dizzy.