can you get permabanned for first time offense

WayOfWindwall··1 votes·1,538 views

yea im toxic, I told some kid to kys and he inted will I be permabanned today was a lucky day I baught yasuo and the shards I recieved in the unboxings for starter kit I got Blood moon yasuo then i hopped into a game and flamed people will I get permabanned.

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COBRA C0MM4NDER2 votes

you are an idiot, never tell someone to kill themselves.

what the fuck...are you stupid?

WayOfWindwall1 votes

Well yes im fucking stupid Thats why i thought smurfing would make it easier to not flame people

Dynikus1 votes

it's possible. If you haven't already been banned, you probably won't be for that. By your own admission though, you're toxic. Continue doing that and you will be.

WayOfWindwall1 votes

yea how do u deal with trolls and flamers , I just cant handle the fact Im getting shitted on

Dynikus4 votes

I just ignore them. If they're flaming, just mute and report after the game. If they're inting you, not much you can do about that, but just report them after the game and move on.

Kei1432 votes

It's not like telling them to kys will make them stop inting or making them play better.

WayOfWindwall1 votes

thing is the kid was like Im gonna email riot yadayada yea I just dont know how to deal with inters and trolls

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

In the case of hate speech (homophobic or racial slurs), it is possible to be banned for a first offense. Riot has a zero-tolerance policy towards hate speech, and takes death threats, and comments like "kys" very seriously.

If you are having trouble with players trash-talking you, use the mute function. Mute them, and you will no longer see anything they say. Then you are no longer tempted to say something in retaliation to them. Report them after the game, so that Riot is aware of what they are doing. For most toxicity cases, players are given chat restrictions for their first infractions. This is Riot's way of telling players that their way of talking to other players is not acceptable, and encouraging them to change it.

If players are intentionally feeding or trolling, report them after the match, and give details as to what they were doing in the Additional Comments box.

Try to keep in mind, players who are toxic, troll and int can never be punished for it if you don't report them. So do your best to not say anything to them, mute them if you have to, and report them. Odds are, you will never have to see that player again. Don't let them taunt you into losing your account because you just had to say something to someone who isn't worth as much to you as your account is.

FireDrizzle1 votes

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In the case of hate speech (homophobic or racial slurs), it is possible to be banned for a first offense. Riot has a zero-tolerance policy towards hate speech, and takes death threats, and comments like "kys" very seriously.

I sent riot a ticket because i was called a retard by a 4 premade for not swapping roles and they didnt care.

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

If someone uses a slur against you, and calling someone a retard is considered a slur, then you always have the option to report them in the post-game lobby. While you can submit a ticket to Player Support, they will direct you back to using the built-in report system to handle those sorts of situations. It's not that Player Support does not care about the ticket you submitted. It is that they need you, and all other players, to use the correct route of reporting players.

Player Support probably receives thousands of tickets every day, and there are a limited number of support specialists. For them to be able to respond to these tickets promptly, and devote enough time and attention to them, players need to refrain from submitting tickets for things that do not require a ticket. Toxicity is something that Riot spent quite a bit of time developing a very good system to monitor, and it's very easy to use.

So, while Support will gladly accept tickets for spamming if an account is trying to sell elo boosting via private messages, anything that happens in game, or in the pre- and post-game lobbies, they do not need a ticket for. You can simply type "calling players retarded in pre-game lobby/champ select" in the additional comments box when you submit the report for hate-speech.

And because they have such an easy way to submit these reports, and limited time to handle the tickets that they receive, they will often thank you for your report, direct you back to the client and close the ticket. They simply cannot address all those tickets, and still have enough time to handle the situations that actually require the time and attention of a Riot staff member. And there are many situations that do not have an advanced bot system to handle reports; for example any account compromises, chargeback issues, punishment appeals, questions regarding why punishments were issued because the emails were not received, etc. All those things require tickets, and must be handled by the various departments and specialists of Player Support. While some of them will be transferred to different departments, they can begin with those dedicated to player behavior, depending on what happened to initiate the player's contacting Support.

I'm not sure if I've explained it the best, as it's pretty late for me, but I hope I've given you at least some idea why Support doesn't handle all the tickets that can and should be handled by the IFS/client report system. It really isn't because they don't care. It's because they are trying to make sure that all players are given the attention they need.

FireDrizzle1 votes

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If someone uses a slur against you, and calling someone a retard is considered a slur, then you always have the option to report them in the post-game lobby. While you can submit a ticket to Player Support, they will direct you back to using the built-in report system to handle those sorts of situations. It's not that Player Support does not care about the ticket you submitted. It is that they need you, and all other players, to use the correct route of reporting players.

Player Support probably receives thousands of tickets every day, and there are a limited number of support specialists. For them to be able to respond to these tickets promptly, and devote enough time and attention to them, players need to refrain from submitting tickets for things that do not require a ticket. Toxicity is something that Riot spent quite a bit of time developing a very good system to monitor, and it's very easy to use.

So, while Support will gladly accept tickets for spamming if an account is trying to sell elo boosting via private messages, anything that happens in game, or in the pre- and post-game lobbies, they do not need a ticket for. You can simply type "calling players retarded in pre-game lobby/champ select" in the additional comments box when you submit the report for hate-speech.

And because they have such an easy way to submit these reports, and limited time to handle the tickets that they receive, they will often thank you for your report, direct you back to the client and close the ticket. They simply cannot address all those tickets, and still have enough time to handle the situations that actually require the time and attention of a Riot staff member. And there are many situations that do not have an advanced bot system to handle reports; for example any account compromises, chargeback issues, punishment appeals, questions regarding why punishments were issued because the emails were not received, etc. All those things require tickets, and must be handled by the various departments and specialists of Player Support. While some of them will be transferred to different departments, they can begin with those dedicated to player behavior, depending on what happened to initiate the player's contacting Support.

I'm not sure if I've explained it the best, as it's pretty late for me, but I hope I've given you at least some idea why Support doesn't handle all the tickets that can and should be handled by the IFS/client report system. It really isn't because they don't care. It's because they are trying to make sure that all players are given the attention they need.

I couldnt report post game because I dodged, why would i play with toxic premades just so I can report them after. Also they all threatened to report me which encouraged me to dodge. Their is no way to report in these circumstances. ' I don't know if this really reduces their review time but I had 2 screenshots that i sent. I suspect if an other slur was used the reaction may have been different. ' Thank you for your response.

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

In cases like that, it was probably a very wise decision on your part to dodge the game. While it sucks that there isn't a current way to report people in the pre-game for that sort of behavior, to keep premades from doing that, it was definitely smart of you to avoid letting the situation escalate.

In case you were not aware of it, reports from a premade group of 4 do not actually count the same as reports from 4 different games would. The system is actually coded to keep groups from being able to gang up on individuals and bully them into doing something by threats of reports. Also, even if they had reported you, if you didn't say/do anything, the reports would just be thrown out by the system.

One of the main reasons why I try to comment on this type of thing is because I've actually submitted this sort of report myself. I'll actually link you a screenshot of the reply that I received from a Player Support specialist. And he/she was incredibly nice, and took the time to explain a bit about why need us to use the IFS, so I try to help make sure other players know that on the boards as well. But if you notice, one thing that he/she did not say in their reply was what, if anything, was actually done to the player. Even if they do punish the reported players based upon our tickets, they can't tell us that. It goes against their policies, and it might negatively affect their jobs to tell players that sort of information.

FireDrizzle2 votes

oh, It's good to know it just counts as one report, thanks.

{quoted} One of the main reasons why I try to comment on this type of thing is because I've actually submitted this sort of report myself. I'll actually link you a screenshot of the reply that I received from a Player Support specialist. And he/she was incredibly nice, and took the time to explain a bit about why need us to use the IFS, so I try to help make sure other players know that on the boards as well. But if you notice, one thing that he/she did not say in their reply was what, if anything, was actually done to the player. Even if they do punish the reported players based upon our tickets, they can't tell us that. It goes against their policies, and it might negatively affect their jobs to tell players that sort of information.

"Experiment"? Do you mind me asking what it was? Like an offmeta build? Someone seeing what they can do without being banned?

When I sent a ticket I had no reference to what i sent like that.

"Hello FireDrizzle,

Thank you for this report! We can’t often take action on reports sent to us through tickets, but we created the Instant Feedback System to help us track when a player is consistently hurting others.

Even if you couldn’t use the report feature for this game, please keep using it when you can. Reports you make provide us with valuable tracking information and help to escalate players to our attention for investigation. Each report brings violators of the Summoner's Code one step closer to punishment and, hopefully, toward reformed behavior.

You’ll occasionally, but not always, get messages from the IFS letting you know that a player you reported has been punished. Keep reporting inappropriate behavior and we’ll make sure negative actions have consequences!

Regards, "

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

Rest assured, they do not count as 4 reports. Riot realized very early on that premade groups could try to abuse the system with group reports, and adjusted the way the reports are processed to keep that from happening. Here is one of Riot's earlier postsregarding the report system, and it does mention a bit about them specifically making sure that players don't get to use false reports for harassment.

And the "experiment" mentioned is a direct reference to the ticket I submitted. I was quite thorough in it, because a player was detailing their plans to see just how many games they could ruin via trolling, intentionally feeding, and every sort of verbal harassment and toxicity covered under the Terms of Use. They were discouraged many, many times, but were adamant that they were going to do this until they compiled their "data." I found that to be horrible, and detrimental to the innocent players they encountered, but as it was not a player I was in game with, I submitted the report via ticket.

I don't have an issue with non-meta builds. Or even non-meta champions. Hell, I just finished a match with an 0/10 Orianna Jungle. I shrugged and chalked that one up as a probable loss from the start, and just tried to play the best that I could. I would never report someone for playing off-meta, or even building off-meta. It's not my place to tell someone which champion to play, or how to play them. It only becomes a problem when that player goes out of their way to actively troll and harass the other players. Some could say the Orianna was intentionally feeding. But she actually wasn't. Her deaths were due to invades (which I told her to expect). It set her very behind, and she was unable to bring much to the team in teamfights. But I wouldn't report her for it. She wasn't rude, or even slightly unpleasant, she continued to try and reach objectives, she helped as much as someone that far behind could.

Reket DeAlk1 votes

For that? Yes you can get permabanned first offense.

WayOfWindwall1 votes

oh rlly? I never got banned before but that fast?

ModUlanopo2 votes

Yes, an escalated ban can occur at any time if the behavior is severe enough. This is especially true in low level play.

ModPeriscope1 votes

Yes. They have a 0 tolerance policy for hate speech.

Troy2426211 votes

Can you? Yes. Is it likely? From what I've seen of Riot's algorithms, probably not.

Assuming it's handled by an actual Rioter, it's not impossible but outside of the most extreme cases where people go off the deep end for 5 minutes spewing hate, anger, bigotry and so forth, you usually get a 14 day ban first. Permabans are usually reserved for egregious offenses or consistent offenders.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

With the implementation of the Instant Feedback System, it won't be handed by an actual Rioter. It's handled by the bot. It's pretty rare for cases to be manually reviewed. But as Ulanopo says, it's especially true in lower leveled accounts that bans can be escalated. It's not because Riot intends to be harder on new players, but because the algorithms work on percentages of negative/positive gameplay. And newer accounts have fewer games, so each negative game takes up a larger percentage of their games played than an older account that has many more games played.

WayOfWindwall1 votes

So guys any tips of reforming?

Troy2426211 votes

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So guys any tips of reforming?

Mute button, and realizing that bonobos are going to be on your team and some games are unwinnable. There's no point in talking to muppets anyways, assuming they really are pants on head silly. All talking to them will do is tilt them off of the face of the Earth.

WayOfWindwall1 votes

You know what I have come to realize im a piece of shit and maybe its time to stop playing i always find an excuse to putting these kids on blast so maybe its time to stop playing smurfing wont help me either so there is no point in playing if i wont win these games

Tahminatrix 1 votes

They were following your orders tho...you told them to "kys".

Dominick Destine1 votes

This is the most "Dominick Destine bait" thread I have ever read.

Anyway the answer to the question presented is; Yes.

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