I feel like the board is so toxic

TootTootChow·Mar 29, 2019·3 votes·4,859 views

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/m4geAK5V-updated-player-behavior-guidelines The board rules state that these kinds of posts are subjected to deletion by the mods. But from what I see, they can get upvotes and get away with it as long as people hound on the "banned" person. Seems like a double standard. Shouldn't Mods say something about these rules?

I don't know why people stoop as low as the "unban me" people. Can't they just ignore these people or just straight up logically tell them?

Edit: Periscope cofirmed that it isn't in effect. --> So technically you can get away with it until it is in effect.

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No not yet.

24 Comments

R107 GamesMar 29, 20197 votes

The mods have always shown bias and double standards in Player Behavior, this is nothing new.

That entire thread about "updating player behavior guidelines" is simply stating policies the mods will selectively enforce, and just ignore post that blatantly violate those policies because of the context.

They remove certain posts and ignore other post that are the equivalent just because they favor the context.

You're allowed to be disrespecful to punished posters, that's simply how it is

TootTootChowMar 29, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4V9t4ulf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-29T02:51:31.858+0000)

The mods have always shown bias and double standards in Player Behavior, this is nothing new.

That entire thread about "updating player behavior guidelines" is simply stating policies the mods will selectively enforce, and just ignore post that blatantly violate those policies because of the context.

They remove certain posts and ignore other post that are the equivalent just because they favor the context.

You're allowed to be disrespecful to punished posters, that's simply how it is

Hmm, I won't say that mods are biased but I will say that they are little behind. Although I will agree that players are extremely toxic to punished and get away with it.

Then again, I can only gather what it is.

Pandemic PunchMar 29, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4V9t4ulf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-29T02:51:31.858+0000)

The mods have always shown bias and double standards in Player Behavior, this is nothing new.

That entire thread about "updating player behavior guidelines" is simply stating policies the mods will selectively enforce, and just ignore post that blatantly violate those policies because of the context.

They remove certain posts and ignore other post that are the equivalent just because they favor the context.

You're allowed to be disrespecful to punished posters, that's simply how it is

True

Imperial PandaaMar 29, 20193 votes

Oh neat, I made it on some random person's collage.

There are lines, and sometimes those lines get crossed. Report if you feel a comment crossed a line.

Yes, I have seen some of the comments that should probably be removed that are more taunting to the punished player. I also come across some posts that debatably don't need to exist either; on both "sides". Context makes a difference and the mods can't always know what we meant.

Example: Someone called me a smartass before and this was my response.

I rather be a smartass than a dumbass.

It was removed because they read it as me calling the person a dumbass.

TootTootChowMar 29, 20191 votes

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BansheenoirMar 29, 20191 votes

LOL I made it here huh? [slayer-jinx-unamused]

TootTootChowMar 29, 20192 votes

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LOL I made it here huh? [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Your encounter was the most recent one I can find among the fighting.

Imperial PandaaMar 29, 20192 votes

Fair enough. I will be the first one to admit that some of my comments are more playful, but not necessarily relevant. One such occasion was a poster being aggressive to a punished OP. I told the poster "No, bad. Don't make me get the spray bottle." for comedy effect but also relay that the comment wasn't proper.

That said, I like to think that most regulars recognize me and get my tone. Even the ones that I have opposite stances with will at least speak with me with the same respect I show them.

With the two extra examples you linked below, I do feel Zombie crossed a line. Maybe by toes maybe by feet, that isn't here nor there. Banshee was trying to remind them that you still need to be respectful in replies. Then the two exchange snark with eachother. Again, toes or feet across the line. The question then becomes did you report it for the mod review queue? If not, you can't be certain it was reported.

TootTootChowMar 29, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4V9t4ulf,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-03-29T03:34:40.283+0000)

Fair enough. I will be the first one to admit that some of my comments are more playful, but not necessarily relevant. One such occasion was a poster being aggressive to a punished OP. I told the poster "No, bad. Don't make me get the spray bottle." for comedy effect but also relay that the comment wasn't proper.

That said, I like to think that most regulars recognize me and get my tone. Even the ones that I have opposite stances with will at least speak with me with the same respect I show them.

With the two extra examples you linked below, I do feel Zombie crossed a line. Maybe by toes maybe by feet, that isn't here nor there. Banshee was trying to remind them that you still need to be respectful in replies. Then the two exchange snark with eachother. Again, toes or feet across the line. The question then becomes did you report it for the mod review queue? If not, you can't be certain it was reported.

Yeah, I tried to look his history up just like I did with you, and his is littered with somewhat veiled taunt. What angers me about this person is that if you read his posts, he makes a clear distinction of breaking the rules and abiding by them. But when someone points out, he is a hypocrite about it. Then again, Banshee also should have practiced what he preached.

As for your question: According to Periscope, no it isn't in effect yet.

dnsupMar 30, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4V9t4ulf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-29T03:10:50.128+0000)

It was removed because they read it as me calling the person a dumbass.

Sometimes they're overzealous in choosing one interpretation over another. Benign statements about a historical record (i.e., asserting a simple fact, such as "the Social War of 91 BCE resulted from X, Y, and Z," [with the recorded causes of conflict replacing XYZ]) are sometimes removed under the rule against politics.

Kei143Mar 29, 20192 votes

Personally, it depends on my day. There are times I'm super passive aggressive and I get that it's a reflect of my current mood. Sometimes it depends on how much the other person is in denial as well. They maybe not understanding the explainations or have selective reading. But I guess people will interpret things as how they want.

Sometimes I just end up deleting the post. Other times i let it loose.

TootTootChowMar 29, 20193 votes

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Personally, it depends on my day. There are times I'm super passive aggressive and I get that it's a reflect of my current mood. Sometimes it depends on how much the other person is in denial as well. They maybe not understanding the explainations or have selective reading. But I guess people will interpret things as how they want.

Sometimes I just end up deleting the post. Other times i let it loose.

See, I think that's the problem with the board. I am not saying you have to be perfect, but if you know that you are here to vent stress and let your emotion take over, you're pretty much creating another toxic problem in the board. But yeah, I dont think many people cross the line in the board. Only certain individuals who are cleverly taunting others and downright toxic.

IAmTheLegoMar 29, 20192 votes

"But from what I see, they can get upvotes and get away with it as long as people hound on the "banned" person."

Yeah...I made a post calling CT a 7 year old temper tantrum kid and got like 30 upvotes, and got a 3 day ban.

And I made a comment calling CT an idiot and deserves to be fired for his toxic philosophy and got perma banned and also got upvoted to the heavens.

So this more or less confirms that no matter how many upvotes you get, regardless if true or not, regardless how many agree, the mods will more or less act like shining armor. Even to those who don't deserve to shiny armored.

Ah well. [zombie-brand-clap]

TootTootChowMar 29, 20192 votes

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Yeah...I made a post calling CT a 7 year old temper tantrum kid and got like 30 upvotes, and got a 3 day ban.

And I made a comment calling CT an idiot and deserves to be fired for his toxic philosophy and got perma banned and also got upvoted to the heavens.

See I think you were banned for directly attacking someone, which not much people condone(Still funny for others as long as it's not them). I am pointing out that you need to be indirectly toxic right at the line. Some people may not deserve to be here, but they have the right to be here. And we need to respect that. But I get your point. Mods will do their job when it's absolutely necessary, but still lacking.

IAmTheLegoMar 29, 20191 votes

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See I think you were banned for directly attacking someone, which not much people condone(Still funny for others as long as it's not them). I am pointing out that you need to be indirectly toxic right at the line. Some people may not deserve to be here, but they have the right to be here. And we need to respect that. But I get your point. Mods will do their job when it's absolutely necessary, but still lacking.

It's ironic how riot doesn't allow or tolerate toxicity but allow someone with a toxic philosophy to have free reign in champion design.

It's kind of triggering since GhostCrawler said that fairness and satisfying is an element for a successful champion yet ct points his middle finger to these specific elements.

I honestly don't care. I still stand on everything I said. At least I'm not tracking the guy down and hunt him down and kill him or some shit.

TootTootChowMar 29, 20192 votes

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It's ironic how riot doesn't allow or tolerate toxicity but allow someone with a toxic philosophy to have free reign in champion design.

It's kind of triggering since GhostCrawler said that fairness and satisfying is an element for a successful champion yet ct points his middle finger to these specific elements.

I honestly don't care. I still stand on everything I said. At least I'm not tracking the guy down and hunt him down and kill him or some shit.

That I agree. To Riot, toxicity is something that disrupts the game, not the attitude. Here the toxic philosophy is to be indirectly attacking someone as long as it's not ZT or direct.

Here's an example of clever toxicity: -removed by moderation-

--You gotta downright be disrespectful and rude, which is not a violation apparently.---

IAmTheLegoMar 29, 20191 votes

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That I agree. To Riot, toxicity is something that disrupts the game, not the attitude. Here the toxic philosophy is to be indirectly attacking someone as long as it's not ZT or direct.

Here's an example of clever toxicity:

--You gotta downright be disrespectful and rude, which is not a violation apparently.---

I honestly don't care if direct or indirect on all this rule bs. Even if it breaks the rules or not.

Thing is, if I'm a Rioter and make champions that are overloaded with shit, get on your nerves when you play against (or even with) and have a philosophy that frustration and feeling worthless is a must have in this game (even if you stomp these champions) and in a case where the company or even me will not bother to listen or see feedbacks (even if well constructed critics), then I deserve every single "this guy is an idiot", "this guy needs to be fired", and "this guy doesn't know shit about a PvP game".

Can you blame those who go like this since I won't bother listening or learning from my mistakes? No of course not. We are a bomb with a long ass fuse. It's Riot's duty to cut that fuse off otherwise they will end up with Hiroshima right in front of their doorstep.

ModPeriscopeMar 29, 20192 votes

I did look into your post and have done a few removals, including from this thread, as we don't allow naming and shaming of other players, even fellow boards users. You can either report other problematic posts using the little button to the bottom right, or come to us on the NA Boards Discord.

I hadn't yet removed one comment, because I think it's strange we're looking at that one comment and not discussing the OP, which called Rioters "bitch" or just in general, the company, a "bitch." As well as telling the company to "Grow up." I will run the comment by other moderators, to get their opinions, as comments like "good riddance" don't align well with some of the goals of the punishment system nor the Player Behavior Board.

As for anything regarding bias, we're always open to criticism, but do keep in mind two things: (1) we are a volunteer team, so we don't have time to get to every comment, (2) I try to hit the worst stuff on the boards. When you're upset about bias, keep in mind the much worse things are hopefully not currently on the boards, although that sentence sure as hell is going to Jinx it.

TootTootChowMar 29, 20192 votes

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I did look into your post and have done a few removals, including from this thread, as we don't allow naming and shaming of other players, even fellow boards users. You can either report other problematic posts using the little button to the bottom right, or come to us on the NA Boards Discord.

I hadn't yet removed one comment, because I think it's strange we're looking at that one comment and not discussing the OP, which called Rioters "bitch" or just in general, the company, a "bitch." As well as telling the company to "Grow up." I will run the comment by other moderators, to get their opinions, as comments like "good riddance" don't align well with some of the goals of the punishment system nor the Player Behavior Board.

As for anything regarding bias, we're always open to criticism, but do keep in mind two things: (1) we are a volunteer team, so we don't have time to get to every comment, (2) I try to hit the worst stuff on the boards. When you're upset about bias, keep in mind the much worse things are hopefully not currently on the boards, although that sentence sure as hell is going to it.

Thanks Periscope.

Then is it fine to quote others as long as I don't show their name?

P.S. I know you guys are working tirelessly and I personally feel Riot should add more resources on your work as it is never enough :/

ModPeriscopeMar 29, 20191 votes

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Thanks Periscope.

Then is it fine to quote others as long as I don't show their name?

I think it's fine to quote someone, but it really felt like this was more reporting problematic behavior. All the other quotes I've seen have been fine here.

BansheenoirMar 29, 20192 votes

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I did look into your post and have done a few removals, including from this thread, as we don't allow naming and shaming of other players, even fellow boards users. You can either report other problematic posts using the little button to the bottom right, or come to us on the NA Boards Discord.

I hadn't yet removed one comment, because I think it's strange we're looking at that one comment and not discussing the OP, which called Rioters "bitch" or just in general, the company, a "bitch." As well as telling the company to "Grow up." I will run the comment by other moderators, to get their opinions, as comments like "good riddance" don't align well with some of the goals of the punishment system nor the Player Behavior Board.

As for anything regarding bias, we're always open to criticism, but do keep in mind two things: (1) we are a volunteer team, so we don't have time to get to every comment, (2) I try to hit the worst stuff on the boards. When you're upset about bias, keep in mind the much worse things are hopefully not currently on the boards, although that sentence sure as hell is going to it.

That's funny. All the "unban" me players get mobbed and trolled by others, while you can get away with pretending you're on the Riot's side and taunt others.

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I honestly don't care if direct or indirect on all this rule bs. Even if it breaks the rules or not.

You have a small group of users who go around and blatantly pick a fight with the "easy" target. Sure, some are using jokes, but some are downright displacing anger on to them and you know it.

ModPeriscopeMar 29, 20191 votes

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That's funny. All the "unban" me players get mobbed and trolled by others, while you can get away with pretending you're on the Riot's side and taunt others.

You have a small group of users who go around and blatantly pick a fight with the "easy" target. Sure, some are using jokes, but some are downright displacing anger on to them and you know it.

I just looked at the newest, downvoted post. Thankfully, I think everyone (except 1 user) had helpful advice to give regarding the OP's chat restriction.

Always report problematic posts, and be the change you want on those discussions.

Midg3tMar 29, 20192 votes

Yea, that's just how it is unfortunately, there are always couple of regular Boards users on PB who're doing this, and the fact mods are letting it slip by is disgusting. Either do your job properly or don't do it at all and let it to some1 who will.

Telephone BoothMar 29, 20192 votes

Idk... its weird to me. Ive had several bans from the boards, up to a week at a time. A lot of them are from me being a little too insulting towards a banned player. Sometimes i get away with it, sometimes I am surprised I got banned, sometimes its perfectly reasonable that they suspend me lol. I think getting reported matters a lot, of course. But I mean, I've gotten banned for mere hypotheticals before, but I guess it was taken as a direct insult. Meh. Its a bit unpredictable. (Mind you I dont judge you based on whether you got banned, I judge based on the logic and language they use in their post)