Hey everyone. I live at my school so I am reliant on their connection to work well. Usually the connection is very reliable, but once or twice a week the connection goes down at an unpredictable time. I would like to preserve my honor so I was wondering if this could reset my honor. Thanks! (:
Oleandervine4 votesIf you get reported and punished for AFKing in matches, yes, it will have damaging results on your honor.
Voldymort2 votescitation?
Oleandervine2 votescitation?
I have to cite how the IFS will issue punishments based on valid reports?
Voldymort4 votesIf you are suggesting that afking causes anything more than a 20 minute low priority queue then yes, you should!
Oleandervine2 votesIf you are suggesting that afking causes anything more than a 20 minute low priority queue then yes, you should!
If Leaverbuster nails you, that affects your queue. But if the IFS nails you due to being reported, that could result in other punishments.
Voldymort2 votescould
You're dodging my question so i'll repeat it: can you provide evidence for the argument that afking results in account suspensions? Yay or nay?
Oleandervine2 votesYou're dodging my question so i'll repeat it: can you provide evidence for the argument that afking results in account suspensions? Yay or nay?
You are asking me to provide evidence of something that I wouldn't be able to provide evidence for unless it's happened to me. I've never been punished by the IFS system.
And yes, AFKing can result in account suspensions, especially with Leaverbuster. When I first started playing 4 years ago, I had dodgy internet and got up to a 14 day ban because my internet kept dumping on me, and that warning told me that the next offense would result in a permanent ban.
And since we're asking for evidence here, can you provide evidence or citation that the report function for "AFK" doesn't result in punishment from the IFS system? Why would there even be an option for "AFK" in the report listing if it wasn't a valid means of reporting someone?
Voldymort3 votesYou are asking me to provide evidence of something that I wouldn't be able to provide evidence for unless it's happened to me. I've never been punished by the IFS system.
And yes, AFKing can result in account suspensions, especially with Leaverbuster. When I first started playing 4 years ago, I had dodgy internet and got up to a 14 day ban because my internet kept dumping on me, and that warning told me that the next offense would result in a permanent ban.
Since you managed to contradict yourself in two paragraphs, I have to wonder if you're a troll...
And since we're asking for evidence here, can you provide evidence or citation that the report function for "AFK" doesn't result in punishment from the IFS system?
That's not how it works, sunshine!
The one who makes the claim needs to provide proof of said claim. It's not everyone else's job to prove that the claim is false.
But seeing as you say that you were never punished and after a few rows you pull a 180 and say that you, in fact, were, I have to wonder if the only thing you can provide arguments for is your own confusion...
[zombie-nunu-bummed]
Oleandervine2 votesSince you managed to contradict yourself in two paragraphs, I have to wonder if you're a troll...
That's not how it works, sunshine!
The one who makes the claim needs to provide proof of said claim. It's not everyone else's job to prove that the claim is false.
But seeing as you say that you were never punished and after a few rows you pull a 180 and say that you, in fact, were, I have to wonder if the only thing you can provide arguments for is your own confusion...
[zombie-nunu-bummed]
Do note I don't contradict myself. I state I've never been punished by IFS, which I have not. I've never been punished as a result of my poor behavior and subsequent reporting by other players. I've been punished by Leaverbuster, which I state. Those are two separate punishment systems, and I also noted how Leaverbuster did result in account suspension. Understand the systems you're talking about before you try to claim I'm a troll or my argument is invalid.
And it is how this works. My claim is backed up by the fact that punishments are issued by the IFS (Instant Feedback System) for player reports. Seeing as "AFK" is one of the reportable options through the IFS, I don't need to provide you this "evidence" you are seeking because it's plainly obvious that people can get punished for it if the option is provided. And "AFK" isn't like "No Skill" in the old version, because "AFK" isn't even close to being as vague and imprecise as "No Skill," and given "No Skill's" removal with the revision of the IFS, it's safe to say that it was removed because it wasn't easy to enforce or quantify. The reporting for "AFK" exists to catch people who "cheat" the system by being AFK to limits of being reported by Leaverbuster, but move enough to prevent being caught by that, and resume the AFK until they get the next warning notice. It also exists to catch people who AFK farm, which isn't detectable by Leaverbuster. So I don't need to provide evidence of the "AFK" report function in the IFS because it's obvious that it's there for a reason.
YOU DO have to provide evidence for your claim that you cannot be punished for being reported for AFK, as there is no obvious understanding on why AFK would be treated differently when being reported through the IFS. I understand that it is detectable through Leaverbuster, but given that that IFS has a listing for AFK, and that the system has been revised since Leaverbuster's launch, it wouldn't make any sense for them to have it listed as a reportable feature if it wasn't something that was punishable through the system.
Voldymort2 votesDo note I don't contradict myself. I state I've never been punished by IFS, which I have not. I've never been punished as a result of my poor behavior and subsequent reporting by other players. I've been punished by Leaverbuster, which I state. Those are two separate punishment systems, and I also noted how Leaverbuster did result in account suspension.
You're tap dancing
and that warning told me that the next offense would result in a permanent ban
To my knowledge, leaverbuster doesn't say this. I still wait for evidence to the contrary from you.
because it's plainly obvious that people can get punished for it if the option is provided.
Correlation =/= causation
YOU DO have to provide evidence for your claim
Again. Thats not how it works! You made the claim that players can be punished and i've asked for evidence of said claim. It is not my job to provide evidence that the claim is not true, since it is not my claim. It's yours
If you still disagree then i'll make a claim of my own and say that i'm a vampire. By your own logic, I don't have to prove anything and you have to prove that i'm lying. Best of luck!
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Oleandervine2 votesI've been punished by Leaverbuster, which I state. Those are two separate punishment systems, and I also noted how Leaverbuster did result in account suspension.
You're tap dancing
Leaverbuster and IFS are two separate systems. Leaverbuster functions solely based on detecting AFKs and disconnections. IFS functions based on player reports. Again, you need to understand the systems we are discussing if you want to make sound arguments.
To my knowledge, leaverbuster doesn't say this. I still wait for evidence to the contrary from you.
Well you are wrong. And since you're not in the mood to be providing evidence for your claims, here from the wiki:
"After receiving a certain number of leaves, which varies depending on the total number of games played and the distance in time between each leave, the player account gets first warned and then suspended for increasingly long periods of time, resulting in a permanent ban for re-iterated offenses."
Correlation =/= causation
Again. Thats not how it works! You made the claim that players can be punished and i've asked for evidence of said claim. It is not my job to provide evidence that the claim is not true, since it is not my claim. It's yours
If you still disagree then i'll make a claim of my own and say that i'm a vampire. By your own logic, I don't have to prove anything and you have to prove that i'm lying. Best of luck!
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
By disagreeing, you are making a claim that you need to provide proof for. I don't need to provide proof, because the system operates in a set manner, and it's absurd to think that I need to provide proof and support for how the system is operating as it is supposed to operate. You are making the absurd counter claim (through your disagreement) that the system does not operate the way that it's supposed to operate by treating AFK reports as something different entirely. YOU need to provide proof of this abnormal operation pattern, because YOUR counter claim is not supported by the universal understanding of how the IFS operates.
Voldymort1 votes"I won't provide evidence because [excuses]"
I'm glad we cleared that up
"After receiving a certain number of leaves, which varies depending on the total number of games played and the distance in time between each leave, the player account gets first warned and then suspended for increasingly long periods of time, resulting in a permanent ban for re-iterated offenses."
Now... that wasn't difficult, was it? Even tho you contradicted yourself yet again. At least you're consistent if nothing else
[vlad-salute]
Oleandervine2 votes"I won't provide evidence because [excuses]"
I'm glad we cleared that up
[vlad-salute]
Good. Then you accept that the IFS will punish people if they are reported for AFKing, which can result in losing Honor, and end of season rewards, just like how the IFS will punish you if you're reported for bad language or harassment.
ModPeriscope1 votesTo settle things, you can get additional penalties outside of LPQ, which appear to include bans. I don't know if penalties stemming from this will cause changes in honor, however. Brackets substituted for pronouns.
[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QEFKkEf3,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-04-11T20:02:01.966+0000)
It's not true that [going AFK is] not a bannable offense.
[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HKxGh7Ur,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-07-17T20:16:45.381+0000)
[AFK'ers] actually do get penalized. In addition to LeaverBuster penalties, frequent AFKers/quitters are levied with additional penalties.
Voldymort1 votesfinally someone provides actual evidence instead of the "it's true because i said so and believing otherwise is abnormal"
thanks, Periscope!
Oleandervine1 votesfinally someone provides actual evidence instead of the "it's true because i said so and believing otherwise is abnormal"
thanks, Periscope!
You provided no evidence either. Furthermore, what Periscope provided does support what I said that that punishments are issued through the IFS as well as Leaverbuster.
Voldymort1 votesYou provided no evidence either.
it's because i had no claim to provide evidence for. i merely asked for evidence for your claim.
expecting people to believe claims you make without evidence is not how you defend a claim and neither is "my claim is true because you can't prove it isn't"
and no wall of text you can respond with while tap dancing around the argument will change that
[slayer-jinx-catface]
Furthermore, what Periscope provided does support what I said that that punishments are issued through the IFS as well as Leaverbuster.
aka he did your job for you
[slayer-jinx-wink]
Scuttle1 votesPeople would complain to hell if there weren't a report option for AFK, because they need something to vent their frustration on when someone does AFK in their game.
Bad player was a placebo report. I have every reason to believe the AFK report is, currently, as well. Leaverbuster has handled every single AFK case I have ever seen on this board after checking it daily for years.
Voldymort1 votesBad player was a placebo report. I have every reason to believe the AFK report is, currently, as well. Leaverbuster has handled every single AFK case I have ever seen on this board after checking it daily for years.
ikr
i've never seen/heard of anyone complain about a ban due to excessive afking
Kei1432 votespssttt.. there has been cases of rage quitters getting punished with 14-day ban. Typically through manual reviews.
I've seen it twice in my 5 years here.
One was smited by Tantram (which the OP deleted the thread after being smote), and one was from Broporo when the Help & Support subforums was still around.
Voldymort1 votesOne was smited by Tantram (which the OP deleted the thread after being smote), and one was from Broporo when the Help & Support subforums was still around.
convenient since you can't provide evidence
very convenient
Kei1431 votesikr.
I was pretty sad when I saw one of my bookmarks ended up pointing to an ezreal page.
Kei1431 votesIFS doesn't nail Leaving/AFK issues.
Manual reviews do though, but AFK punishments are typically reserved for the chronic rage quitters.
Pika Fox1 votesIFS doesnt handle afks/disconnects. Reporting for it would be done manually, not by the ifs.
Wilyum4 votesYes, if you disconnect from several matches and people report you for going afk then yes. Riot can't tell the difference between an internet cutting out or you closing your laptop or intentionally disconnecting. So get enough reports and you'll be punished which will affect your Honor
AeroWaffle4 votesI have yet to see any case where someone was punished for afk'ing/dc'ing by the IFS unless there was substantial proof that they were afk'ing/dc'ing intentionally.
Oleandervine1 votesI have yet to see any case where someone was punished for afk'ing/dc'ing by the IFS unless there was substantial proof that they were afk'ing/dc'ing intentionally.
You speak as if you somehow have access to reports and punishments filed against players.
AeroWaffle1 votesThere have been a couple of cases on the boards where someone got banned for 14-days for intentionally avoiding combat for the entire game. Effectively being afk, intentionally. So I can use that for my supporting argument.
Do you have proof that someone can be banned by the IFS for just dc'ing/afk'ing when there's no signs of it being intentional?
Oleandervine1 votesThere have been a couple of cases on the boards where someone got banned for 14-days for intentionally avoiding combat for the entire game. Effectively being afk, intentionally. So I can use that for my supporting argument.
Do you have proof that someone can be banned by the IFS for just dc'ing/afk'ing when there's no signs of it being intentional?
I've never stated that they will get punished without reports. I've stated that if they are reported, they can get punished. I've been in far too many games where people will by default report AFKs, so it's not out of the ordinary to expect people to get punished by the IFS if they AFK for whatever reason.
AeroWaffle1 votesI've never stated that they will get punished without reports. I've stated that if they are reported, they can get punished. I've been in far too many games where people will by default report AFKs, so it's not out of the ordinary to expect people to get punished by the IFS if they AFK for whatever reason.
Leavebuster doesn't rely on reports as far as I can tell. It just slaps you regardless of reports should you afk/dc. What I'm arguing is there is a distinction between Leavebuster, which only handles leaves/afk regardless of intent, and the IFS, which handles poor behavior.
Getting hit by leavebuster for leaving is going to happen regardless of the reports against you (be it none or many). Reports against a player for intentionally leaving or afk'ing is handled on the behavioral level though IFS and skips the entire progression of Leavebuster punishments. There's no sense punishing a person with a 20min low priority queue if they're caught intentionally afk'ing, it would be better to give them the punishment for trolling and be done with it.
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Oleandervine1 votesMy thoughts exactly about your statements. AFK and dc are handled by leaverbuster, not IFS. Yes it can happen if as you said by manual review (manual means human, not IFS), rioter determines that in fact it was intentional AFK. IFS simply cannot differentiate what is intentional or not, because believe me, people will report afk player just because they can and its more there for the placebo.
So why would they have removed one placebo, that DID exist alongside the AFK report, when they revamped the client and the report screen, only to make the AFK report the placebo instead?
Kei1431 votesIt's not a placebo if there is a use for that report.
Unskilled player had its use as well when the new ranked MMR system was put in place to adjust the machine running. Once that was tunned, it became a placebo report.
Pika Fox1 votesAFKs and DCs are handles by a different system. The afk report generally doesnt do much.
Any ban for an afk/dc would have to be manual, and with strong evidence that its intentional.
Scuttle3 votesI don't think leaverbuster ever affects honor, no.
Oleandervine1 votesI don't think leaverbuster ever affects honor, no.
Leaverbuster doesn't. But if you get reported, that's handled by the automated system, and if it detects a consistent trend of being reported for AFKing, it can issue a punishment independent of Leaverbuster.
Scuttle2 votesI don't think that happens. As far as I've heard, reporting for AFK doesn't do anything because it's all handled by leaverbuster.
I've literally never seen a single reform card for "AFKing."
Oleandervine1 votesI don't think that happens. As far as I've heard, reporting for AFK doesn't do anything because it's all handled by leaverbuster.
I've literally never seen a single reform card for "AFKing."
That's probably because most people who AFK know they AFK and don't feel the need to bring it to the boards to contest it..
Scuttle4 votesUm, people have come here saying "why was I banned" when they said kys 5 times in a game. People are not smart. They will come here for anything and complain. The only afking complains are ABOUT leaverbuster, when they say "but my internet is bad!! Not my fault rito pls."
I've been on this board for years and I 100% do not believe there is a punishment besides leaverbuster for AFKing, currently.
Voldymort1 votesI live at my school
how does that work, if you don't mind me asking?
and no! afking does not affect honor
Kireihana1 votesI'm a university student, that's all.
And from all these replies I gather that I probably won't have my honor reset, but I suppose if I'm unlucky and everyone decides to report me, that will be the case. Thanks people!
Voldymort1 votesWhen in doubt you can always submit a ticket and ask riot personally
Kei1431 votesThere has been cases where players got banned for consistent rage quitting. Typically through a manual review.
Considering there is only 1 month left till the end of the season, I'd say the chances of you getting punished is not that likely. Unless you only play 3-4 games a week and 1-2 of those games are AFK. Now you'll be in the red flag zone.
DeracadaVenom1 votesmy computer crashes sometimes and i have to wait for queue times
LordGeovanni1 votesI just got banned for leaving (my matches often started without me loaded in them) and came back after my 5 games to my level 5 honor so i dont think so
Pika Fox1 votesLeaving/afk doesnt result in bans/account restrictions. You just get punished with a slower queue. Your situation is pretty much why this is a thing. US isps are garbage, and many countries arent much better.
