Refusal To Gank

CannabisOverlord·5/1/2017, 2:43:03 AM·2 votes·753 views

Had a yi refuse to gank top literally at all because "Morde isnt a real champ" I was beating fiora early, shed be low and he still wouldnt gank. You know no biggie, ill just farm and get items! Then the xin zhao starts hitting the lane and tower diving me with fiora. Resulting in her steamrolling hard as hell and carrying her team, after xin first gank im chillin in the back of my lane staying under turret, and Yi says at least play a real champ next time, not ganking a stupid lane, etc Now yeah fiora got fed off me and carried her team for a victory, but in my opinion that could have very easily been avoided by actually ganking her for kills.

My question is, other than insulting the guy back, how do i convince someone to gank for me? Id literally have her at 200 to 400 health for 3 mins at a time consecutively, and he would just refuse to gank

13 Comments

archerno15/1/2017, 2:56:50 AM7 votes

Well, were u really beating her? Match history shows she killed u 3 times in first 5 mins. if i had top laner who died 3 times in 5 mins i would be reluctant to gank. That usually leads to double kill to enemy laner because he is far ahead in lvls.

Deep Terror Nami5/1/2017, 2:52:37 AM6 votes

I won't make a gank I don't think I can win either. If it's done to spite you that's different.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5/1/2017, 2:44:41 AM5 votes

cant force the jungler to gank

acehole765/1/2017, 2:54:56 AM3 votes

it's not the junglers job to gank or win lane for you.

OnlyYouCanHearMe5/1/2017, 3:21:59 AM3 votes

You can't ever force someone to gank your lane, even when it seems like an obvious best course of action. The most you can do is get good ward coverage, and ask someone else, in this case the mid laner most likely, if they can try to roam up if they get a kill on their lane or can force their laner to base. Or, if you have taken teleport, try to get roaming ganks off in the bot lane.

PlsCheckThisBush5/1/2017, 3:56:45 AM3 votes

To be fair, both junglers didn't do so hot in that game. Your Yi (6/9/8) had 47% KP with a 1.56 KDA, their Xin (3/6/6) had 27% KP with a 1.50 KDA. Both did abysmal damage as well, and neither of them bought a Control (Pink) Ward or a Sweeper's, so there's no excuse for not being warded up and seeing them coming.

I don't believe Fiora went to 16/5/4 (4.00 KDA) with 61% KP and over double your damage (while you went 2/10/8 (1.00 KDA) with 33% KP) due to Xin Zhao. It's likely due to several other factors. Neither one of them counter-jungled very well nor did they farm efficiently either - both are in the lower sector of 4 CS/minute on champions that would otherwise steamroll the jungle with a few items.

Your Bot Lane did exceptionally well this game - arguably better than anyone else out of the entire game. From the looks of it, they capitalized on their Teleport (and thus, objectives) advantage as well as the fact that Fiora was MUCH stronger than you were at a faster rate. They had 3 Dragons, 1 Baron, and 10 Towers to your 1 Dragon and 2 Towers. She also itemized much better than you did, picking up a Maw and a GA to counter both your damage as well as your team's, whereas you picked up pure damage with a Rylai's, Gunblade, and Sorcerer's Shoes. Remember: Fiora does %Health True Damage. She doesn't care if you have 10,000 health or 10, she's going to hit for a Percentage with her Ultimate and Passive. Building more Health is like itemizing to her advantage in this scenario, while gimping your own defenses and damage output.

Next time you face her, pick up Teleport instead of Ignite and some early Armor if you know it's going to be a tough lane. Losing out on XP and Gold from minions puts you at a severe disadvantage, and likely why Yi didn't want to come top - he was already up there cleaning up the waves crashing to tower judging by the CS since he was 27 CS up on you (as a jungler, mind you). There's no sense in ganking a lane to feed the laner harder - as a jungler we look out for these things. If you're not warded well and keep feeding your laner, there's nothing we can do to help, we're only going to make the game harder. This is probably why he likely spent more time around bot/mid lanes. Master Yi also didn't want to come top and give Fiora another kill considering she had 8 CS/minute while you had 3.5 CS/minute. Try to focus on Farming, at 4 minutes she already had double your CS. At 30 minutes, she had 235 to your 103.

Looking at the items, it took you 13 minutes to complete your first item, and 27 to complete your third (including boots). At 26 minutes Fiora had 5 completed items. There's no way in hell that a competent jungler would come up there, sorry to say. Yi was sitting on 3 (nearly 4) items, at no point could he stand toe to toe with Fiora. She will instantly Riposte (W) his Alpha Strike (Q) and proceed to destroy him with her swift burst. She also had a Ravenous Hydra for Life Steal combined with her Passive, as well as a Guardian Angel. Yi would have had to out-sustain and kill her twice - that's not going to happen. If he had any Magic Damage On-Hit items, he would have to deal with her Maw as well, not a fun time for him.

Also, a side note, if you know that your laner can easily 1v1 you if you step too close to them (such as Fiora who can constantly dash-reset on you), upgrade your FREE Trinket at level 9 to a Farsight to be able to check bushes from afar. This also works in tandem with itself as it lasts forever until killed, and will give you ample time to retreat if you see the laner, as they will likely kill it (if they see it) giving you that split second to react. Walking up to a bush and placing a Ward only to find a Wild Fiora appeared is never a fun time.

On-topic: To convince a jungler to gank you'll want to be willing to listen to criticism yourself and take responsibility for your own actions. If he's not coming up there because he's in fear of his life, you need to be willing to accept that and play safe/build defensively if needed. Your jungler is busy with other lanes as well as farming his own jungle while being in fear of a 16 kill Fiora running around the map or Teleporting on top of his team. Babysitting a losing lane is not his responsibility. Try to make plays where he can't to assist your team. It's a team game at the end of the day, and playing as a team will take you much farther than relying on your jungler to win you a 1v1 lane. Play towards your winning lanes - if you're feeding your ass off it's probably not the best idea to sit top lane and farm while waiting to die again to "be relevant eventually." It's much more beneficial for you to go to another lane or counter-jungle the enemy jungler at that point. Everyone wants to play Chiefs, but nobody wants to be an Indian, as they say. For League, everyone wants to be the carry, but very few people are willing to accept the concept of "getting carried." Your Bot Lane could have easily carried this game if they had SOME form of front-line. As Mordekaiser (a melee champion), you can be that frontline. Being able to survive for 15 seconds in a fight (and thus peel your carries that are winning the game for you) is much more valuable than dying in 2 while dealing no damage.

TL;DR: Look at your replays to see what you could have done better. Neither jungler had any influence on this game - Xin Zhao had less damage than either Support, so I highly doubt he was "tower diving" the entire game. Master Yi did nearly double his damage, but was still in the rather low category. It wasn't your jungler's fault. Build properly, ward up, and learn from your mistakes. Knowledge is power. Flaming/blaming your jungler is a scapegoat reason to not improve yourself.