Should Riot Unbann Peoples Accounts After Season As Over?

xSummerZz·Nov 12, 2017·1 votes·704 views

I know it is called a permanent ban for a reason but after once season that should be enough time for people to either reform or literally just know that they should be careful with what they say and do. I don't think permanent bans really make a difference because that person can keep making accounts and doing the same thing over. If someone spends money on your game and they get banned for eternity and cant refund that makes them unsatisfied. Myself spending over 300$ to get banned because I am a toxic person and to never play with the cosmetics I got again and I know it was my fault and I made that choice of being toxic. But after a season you should be UNBANNED. It would just make sense. If people spend money on your game let them play.

18 Comments

ChermorgNov 12, 20176 votes

A permanent ban is not Riot's way of saying "reform". A permanent ban is Riot's way of saying "we don't want you to be a part of the League community anymore". By the time Riot gives you a permanent ban, they want you to move on. They don't want you back - hence why they don't let you back. Riot gives you enough chances to reform. If you don't do so by the permanent ban, you don't deserve your account back.

Your option is to start all over, and if you truly have reformed you will not lose your new account.

bànNov 12, 20171 votes

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A permanent ban is not Riot's way of saying "reform". A permanent ban is Riot's way of saying "we don't want you to be a part of the League community anymore". By the time Riot gives you a permanent ban, they want you to move on. They don't want you back - hence why they don't let you back. Riot gives you enough chances to reform. If you don't do so by the permanent ban, you don't deserve your account back.

Your option is to start all over, and if you truly have reformed you will not lose your new account.

If that was they case they would IP ban because I'm sure they know players would just make another account.

ChermorgNov 12, 201710 votes

IP bans are woefully ineffective in today's society and more often than not result in innocent people being banned.

TargetTechNov 12, 20171 votes

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A permanent ban is not Riot's way of saying "reform". A permanent ban is Riot's way of saying "we don't want you to be a part of the League community anymore".

This is not true. When you are perma banned support will tell you to create a new account and reform.

ChermorgNov 12, 20171 votes

While this post is from a very long time ago, their philosophy has not changed. I'll quote the relevant portion below:

Our current position is that if your account is permanently suspended - we no longer wish you to continue playing League of Legends, as you've been significantly disruptive to the experience of others.

In the case of the OP - he is one of the few that was able to successfully change his behavior which I commend, but that doesn't mean that he's entitled to something that we won't give anyone else.

They fully support people coming back if they are able to successfully change their behavior. In their experience, people are generally unable to and end up re-banned on their new accounts. There is simply not a reliable way to ban a "person" from League unless they happen to stream on their new accounts or something explicitly obvious like that.

RallerenPNov 12, 20171 votes

This is not true. When you are perma banned support will tell you to create a new account and reform.

Don't they just tell you that you are free to make a new account? Meaning, there is no reliable way to stop you from doing so, so they're not even going to try.

ModThe DjinnNov 12, 20176 votes

Riot has previously tried experiments in letting permanently banned players recover their accounts. The success rate, even even among players specifically hand chosen, was abysmally low. As such, permanently banned players no longer are provided options to recover their accounts. This is not a policy I think Riot will consider, because the price you pay for unbanning players is introducing a lot more toxicity back into the game queue.

VivaLaKittenNov 17, 20171 votes

they need to make it more precise with bans, so the perma bans are a last resort if a player doesn't change even though its hard to get banned if you don't break rules, if it's a bot that checks reports theres guaranteed to be some mistakes a major one would be players lagging out or their computer / internet crashing

GigglingdeathNov 12, 20173 votes

I think it would be kinda neat to add a step between 14 day suspension and perma ban. Perhaps if they did a "till next season ban" in between and if it's within two weeks before the new season, they extend it for another year, that might be interesting. But otherwise, permas should stay being permas.

General Esdeath Nov 12, 20171 votes

First off, that would mean NOBODY gets a perma ban since it resets each season. Secondly, the steps are 2 chat bans and then a 14 day ban. That's 3 warnings. More than I would give.

ModWulf HelhammerNov 12, 20172 votes

You had multiple chances to reform your behavior before the permaban. You didn't use them.

VivaLaKittenNov 12, 20171 votes

pretty sure it would be too hard to make this work properly for Riot to care about

what would be more effective is make sure you ban the person for a good enough reason, and warn them very properly first

I definitely think people should not be banned if they disconnect from a game without it being clearly obvious they quit out of spite or to be negative

as some people may literally be being forced to leave or their power / internet might be going out

ModPrandineNov 12, 20171 votes

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pretty sure it would be too hard to make this work properly for Riot to care about

what would be more effective is make sure you ban the person for a good enough reason, and warn them very properly first

I definitely think people should not be banned if they disconnect from a game without it being clearly obvious they quit out of spite or to be negative

as some people may literally be being forced to leave or their power / internet might be going out

Under normal circumstances people are given multiple warnings (i.e. chat restrictions) before being banned. Yes under extreme circumstance the only warning given is a 2-week ban but technically that is still a warning. Could Riot do better in the warning aspect? Sure, but they do currently give out warnings before banning.
How do you track for the difference between someone leaving/dcing accidentally or purposefully? Either way though if people are frequently having connection problems and it's not on Riot's end (and usually it isn't) then it's on that persons job to make sure they have a stable connection. If they don't or won't then why should they be allowed to play and risk putting their team at a one-man disadvantage?

VivaLaKittenNov 15, 20171 votes

because its just a video game and if it isn't even ranked then it literally changes nothing of "major concern" losing a video game isn't the end of the world and someone shouldn't be banned just because they cant afford the best computer or internet

ModPrandineNov 16, 2017

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because its just a video game and if it isn't even ranked then it literally changes nothing of "major concern"

Ranked already applies a harsher penalty for dcs since it's a higher pressure mode, but that doesn't (and shouldn't) make the other modes of the game any less important when it comes to maintaining competitve integrity if that makes sense.

losing a video game isn't the end of the world and someone shouldn't be banned just because they cant afford the best computer or internet

People aren't Leaverbustered for one or two dcs, but for multiple repeated dcs. I don't have the best computer myself yet l have never been Leaverbustered since I try to make sure there's as few reasons as possible for a potential dc beforehand. That said, I would expect to be hit by it if I was frequently having connection issues and did liitle to nothing to try to fix it.

Not everyone finds it fun or enjoyable to be a man down in any mode, and while Riot understands that the unexpected happens they also understand that they need to do something to discourage leaving games on a regular basis regardless of why*, hence the Leaverbuster system.

*Connection issues on the players end the player is unwilling/unable to fix and/or plans to go/do somewhere/something else and queuing up anyways.

TargetTechNov 12, 20171 votes

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pretty sure it would be too hard to make this work properly for Riot to care about

what would be more effective is make sure you ban the person for a good enough reason, and warn them very properly first

I definitely think people should not be banned if they disconnect from a game without it being clearly obvious they quit out of spite or to be negative

as some people may literally be being forced to leave or their power / internet might be going out

No, it would not be too hard. Riot is just way too damn lazy and doesn't care about their players unless they are in the LCS.

General Esdeath Nov 12, 20171 votes

No, a perma ban is Riot saying "We told you to reform and you didn't, get out and don't come back"

BrutalmoreNov 12, 20171 votes

You're banned because you're simply a toxic and abusive player who needed to step away from the game and your account to notice that your behavior is not conducive to a winning atmosphere. Are there times when things get heated and people just cannot help themselves and get into a flaming fight with someone, yes! And there are systems in place for you to get warnings that your behavior is just not right. When the account is banned - it's gone. There is nothing that can be done, there are no resets and everything is 'okay' when the season is over because you're likely to return to the same ways you were before. I've had too many accounts banned and I have spent a lot of money over the years and sometimes look back on my losses as regrets for being a 'douche' to people. Just open a new account and learn from what you did wrong before. You might have a lot more fun that way too!