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Extend IFS to prevent abuse

Quoupurn·7/16/2018, 4:56:18 PM·2 votes·1,197 views

Hi, I have noticed the banning system seems to be getting out of hand recently and it is not for the better. The effects I am seeing on the community are the following:

  • Players try to avoid chatting
  • Players seem to try to contain themselves over frustration (that is built up over the current experience) and tilt more often resulting in afk/undetected trolling

When they tilt there are two types of players 1 players not familiar with avoiding bans which get banned and 2 players familiar with avoiding bans. These players for example tilted at another player for not helping in jungle invade and they died or simply mad at someone for perfectly normal play (I assume not playing well in such players subjective opinion is not banable). What I have observed is often these ban avoidance experienced players will start to tale actions to "revenge" by banning other players. How do they do it? They will go to another guys lane, take their CS, follow them on the map and smite/lasthit their buffs, play in a way to kill the teammate (for example engaging and being saved and run from the sure-win save and effectively kill their saviour, run from sure-win fights trades, there truly are many ways to grief a player into dying).

Usually the avove methods are enough to get the player who would not have been banned be baited into saying sthg banable. It is quite easy to do it. If the player stays chill they will get the player killed and say "garen please stop dying" knowing well they cause that player with 100 percent intention to die. This type of hard ingame revenge griefing is impossible to be detected. It is an abuse of the IFS and bans the wrong player. I see this behaviour more and more.

Possible solution: -Any report is a report to both the reported player and the reportER. -Enemy reports will get discarded if the player didn't talk in all chat. -If a player consistently reports ther the majority of players in the games they play say > on average over 50% of players in 100 games they permanently lose the ability to report (reports are discarded by the system) -If a player got successful bans in the majority of games they played say 5 bans over the course of 10 games they will be flagged for review of ban baiting ifs abusing. This will be a manual review of all of the 10 games where the player reported someone including both sides of a chat from a person familiar with the game (so if a player says "wtf why u follow me n steal my cs/buffs) they understand the context. Check for passive aggressiveness like sarcastic gj (known if the other player throws insults in return to their gj or gg wp). And if it seems lile the person is aggravating players they will be getting a permanent ban.

This is just a rough idea. Or if its too much to handle just add an option to disable chat/pings without having to /mute all every game.

Also I don't want to hear "so u are toxic and want to avoid bans" as that is boring. What I want is that just like real life if someone does stuff to make another player frustrated and intentionally tries to tilt them the CAUSE is adressed not the result. I see this abuse as being punched in the face. And for me punching back is self defense.

I should be able to enjoy my game without being griefed as I am not buddha who can calmly say "oh so you made me feel horrible and I am knowingly getting humiliated by you while you grin because you will know you can't get banned because you are smart and understand the ban system, even though I feel like u banged my sis infront of my eyes dw I'll contain myself and just mute you and let you smite my buffs and you continue next game"

Honestly what is so frustrating is that these players will not stop they do it the whole game until you tilt or go afk which both is punishable. The only way to not get banned is to quietly play the game and continue to be abused during the whole duration of the game like obvious baron calls being ignored with 100% intention simply to tilt the guy. If i start making videos I am sure I can make a big collection of proof for my statements but I believe players of league will recognize this behaviour. I only recently realized what these ban abusers are doing after thinking in the shower over why I keep experiencing players who adress me over and over (seemingly trying to get me to react to them) even tho I haven't said anything to them. These players aim to revenge ban someone they blame for their deaths after tilting or simply out of enjoyment to harm others.

8 Comments

ModThe Djinn7/16/2018, 5:14:13 PM2 votes

{quoted}- Players try to avoid chatting

  • Players seem to try to contain themselves over frustration (that is built up over the current experience) and tilt more often resulting in afk/undetected trolling

I've personally seen the opposite of both of these, but that could be differing personal experiences. Either way, I'm sorry you've run into that.

-Any report is a report to all players. All players including the reported will get reviewed.

While this seems like a great solution, it actually hurts the system's ability to learn and adapt. See, the system considers anything NOT reported to be acceptable, and learns the community's values from that. If we all started reporting everyone who said, say, "they're at Dragon" the system would likely start to consider that to be problematic behavior.

I know that seems risky, but with the level of big data League uses it's actually really hard to get the system to register a false positive, but it CAN learn from things everyone in the community agrees are problems.

-If a player consistently makes at least one report for the majority of the games they play say >50 percent in 100 games they permanently lose the ability to report (reports are discarded by the system)

Statistically, someone out there is a poor guy who DOES get a toxic player that often. :(

Modi7/16/2018, 5:35:04 PM2 votes

-Any report is a report to all players. All players including the reported will get reviewed

And if you say something in a premade group of 5, that, while unacceptable in general, was not deemed unacceptable by your team, you get punished for it? While I do not condone such behavior, it is up to each player to decide whether or not the chat is acceptable or not. I would say no to this.

-Enemy reports will get discarded if the player didn't talk in all chat.

I believe this was already implemented, but Riot can correct me if I am wrong. You can only be punished for what the reporting person can see. If not, this is definitely needing to be added

-If a player consistently makes at least one report for the majority of the games they play say >50 percent in 100 games they permanently lose the ability to report (reports are discarded by the system)

Unequivocally, no.

-If a player got successful bans in the majority of games they played say 5 bans over the course of 10 games they will be flagged for review of ban baiting ifs abusing. This will be a manual review of all of the 10 games where the player reported someone including both sides of a chat from a person familiar with the game (so if a player says "wtf why u follow me n steal my cs/buffs) they understand the context. Check for passive aggressiveness like sarcastic gj (known if the other player throws insults in return to their gj or gg wp). And if it seems lile the person is aggravating players they will be getting a permanent ban.

Also, no. Absolutely not.

Honestly what is so frustrating is that these players will not stop they do it the whole game until you tilt or go afk which both is punishable.

Both of these, in my experience, do not end the toxicity of others. In fact, these are the two worst things to do, and tend to inflame the issue.

LeagueOfShade7/16/2018, 7:57:35 PM1 votes

Okay:

  1. Reporting ANYONE flags the entire game and lobby for review.
  2. So if I see you doing something I think is wrong, I shouldn't have an option to report it to be investigated because you didn't all chat? no thanks.
  3. Again, already does that.
  4. What? Four punishments is an automatic permanent ban. How does one get more bans after that? I'm lost.

And no, me punching you in the face and you punching back is not self defense, unless you can't leave or I continue. Guess what, you have the option to leave the situation in this game, either muting or when it ends, so nothing is self defense in this game. All players are REQUIRED to follow the Summoner's Code, for no reason are you ever allowed to break it and not get punished. Each player is responsible for their own actions, period.

Hyquiem7/16/2018, 8:41:55 PM1 votes

I don’t think the ban system is a justice system I think it’s a wardens mind in a computer,