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Use of "Kys"

Nyuxiie··7 votes·3,463 views

Why? Why would you say it to anyone you don't know. Whether they're bad at a game or beating you at it, there's absolutely no excuse. Sometimes I won't mind because I know it's not their intention but honestly, it makes me mad. I've had depression along with an abusive childhood and Reddit and LoL have always been my escapes. I know no one should give a heck about that but sometimes telling someone "kys" actually hurts. A lot. Sometimes I'll end a game and cry, it's not very often but it does happen, and probably happens to other people to... I just don't get why this trend started, there's a limit, even I myself enjoy my dose of depressive memes but telling someone to end their life mustn't be taken lightly. It bothers me a lot and it probably hurts a lot of people, more than you'd think. So please, no matter how dumb it might sound, have sympathy. Telling someone to kill themselves isn't flaming, it's way worse. Please remove that phrase from your vocabulary. [sg-soraka]

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AORVAL4 votes

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Bears Dont Care3 votes

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If some random nobody saying "Kys" hurts you that much that you might consider it, then you should really check out a therapist

So...people should not feel insulted or bothered when people state negative remarks? Your name makes so much more sense now.

AORVAL2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jBKNbua,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-01-13T09:49:07.513+0000)

So...people should not feel insulted or bothered when people state negative remarks? Your name makes so much more sense now.

Just turn on chat filter if youre that sensitive lmao. Its seriously not that big of an issue as you guys make it.

Aladoron2 votes

So...people should not feel insulted or bothered when people state negative remarks?

Yes, exactly. If a random guy on the internet who doesn't even know you, and will probably never meet again says something bad, then you should NOT FEEL INSULTED by it. Exactly.

Also, the guy said: "that you might consider it, then you should really check out a therapist" He did not talk about being offended, he talked about considering suicide. And he is totally right. If somebody considers suicide just because somebody else was mean to him on the internet, he HAS TO SEEK HELP.

Shiwah1 votes

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Aladoron1 votes

Look, there is a difference between these 2 things. Most flamers flame trolls or inters, or at least i'm "defending" these ones.

If you are held hostage in a game, you do not enjoy, and wastes your time. Then it is natural to get upset, because you have no way to mitigate the negative effect on you, it HAS an effect on you, ruins your game.

If you are flamed by an idiot, it has no effect on you what you can not mitigate by muting. If you press the mute, your flamer disappears. Problem solved.

You can not do this with trolls.

So here is an example: You hate spicy food. You eat at a restaurant and you HAVE TO eat that food, what they serve you. But sometimes the food is spicy. Here we have 2 different scenarios:

  • If this spicy food is the spicy bc of flaming, then you have a button to make your food not spicy, you press it, eat your food, you are happy.
  • If this spicy food is the spicy bc of trolling then you have no way to make it better, but you still have to eat it. Obviously this will make you upset.

While trolling has an effect on you what you can not chose, flaming only has an effect on you IFF you want it.

Shiwah1 votes

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Aladoron1 votes

Funny. Most people int because they have been flamed.

Should I take your word for it or what? :D Since what I've almost never seen a good player being flamed, only trolls and inters.

And? Why should I care more about your emotions than about my own? Why do you assume that anybody you flame suddenly feels better, like nothing happened? To parrot you, it's natural to get upset. Yet you expect everybody to deal with your feelings and cater to your emotions, while they're supposed to suppress theirs. Hypocritical. Your feelings aren't more important than your victim's. It's high time you understand that.

You did not even read or understood what I wrote.

That's bullshit. The basis of communication is that words mean things. So yes, whether you choose it or not, getting flamed has a lingering effect.

Would you feel sad if a chatbot, which you can turn of anytime trashtalks you? If yes, then I simply can not talk to you anymore, since we have such a different mindset, that we can not discuss this problem. If not, then why is it any different from ingame trashtalk.

You have no right to proclaim that, while science shows the opposite.

Back it up with scientific papers, related to anonymous ingame mutable flaming, and i'll belive that science says this. Until then, it's only your word.

Shiwah1 votes

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Aladoron1 votes

Then prove your statement. Because I'm not taking your word for it.

K, you do not have to ;) How do you want me to prove this? Somehow ask Rito for all my previous matches chatlogs, and send it to you? I cant, simply not possible.

even when it breaks the rules you agreed to uphold when you signed your account.

This is completely irrelevant here, we are not talking about "kys" being punishable or not. It clearly is. We are talking about if it should be or not.

You have absolutely no doubt that what you perceive is the absolute truth and fact, and if you deem someone to be a troll, he must be a troll, even though in their point of view he's trying to play good with an uncomfortable pick.

Well, you are probably one of the guys on Boards, who claim that trolls do not exist, only bad games, right? XD I again, can not argue with this one, I can not prove what was in other peoples mind. I can just have simple expectations for a given level match, and call somebody troll, If he doesn't meet those expectations.

It's funny because you keep trying to minimize your nisdeeds by calling them "trashtalk"... while in reality you are afraid of getting banned for typing a highly toxic phrase.

Almost nobody wants to get banned, nothing to wonder about here :D

It's also ironic how much time you spend claiming that written verbal abuse has no effect on the receiving end, yet you cry about how much you're affected by other prople's gameplay. Quite amusing. I thought you were a tough guy?

You clearly did not understand my example. Trolling has an unavoidable effect. You can mute a flamer. Read the example again, and again, you will see a difference, once.

And don't forget to bring evidence supporting your statement that "every flamer doesn't mean the horrible things they say", because it suspiciously sounds like projection.

As I stated it is impossible to prove this. (Or the other way around.)

NepgearDesu1 votes

It's not about feeling insulted, it's about being reminded that at some point you had what you believed were excellent reasons to hang yourself. Nyuxiie also specifically stated that it wasn't due only to one person telling them such words. As in "depression" and "abusive childhood". Also, for all we know, they might already be seeing a therapist.

Reopening a wound won't help it heal; in the same way, being reminded of the things you try your best to avoid is harmful.

Aladoron1 votes

It's not about feeling insulted, it's about being reminded that at some point you had what you believed were excellent reasons to hang yourself.

Well, then people should not be able to talk about any kind of their problems, because it might remind somebody else about the same problems they had. Can I not write, "fck i'm depressed", because it might remind somebody of something? Can I not write "kms", because it might remind somebody of their suicidal thoughts?

Restricting yourself, just to be overprotective with others is not a way to go. If you would use this logic in real life, nobody would be allowed to say anything, since there are soo man fcked up lifes out there, that it would surely remind somebody of something.

SpaceRazzerKappa1 votes

correct you just got hurt by a person you likely never meet in person and now cry about it

Jamaree3 votes

I suggest changing the title if you can, mods might not take kindly to it.

Hotarµ3 votes

Maybe not the best title for a post like this.

DrCyanide3 votes

I agree. I hope phrase falls out of fashion soon.

Chalze3 votes

The kind of people who say/use it don't actually care about what it means.

The actual reason why it's used all over the place is because it's immediately effective, very quick to type and understandable by all cultures.

Overall it's just very accessible; it's a very low effort relatively high reward insult/curse.

I Love Thresh3 votes

tbh if kys has such an effect on someone they shouldnt be on the internet period

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Maybe, maybe not. People have different methods of dealing with depression. We can't just say "go see a therapist." because some people can't afford to. There are things out there to maybe help, but in the long run a person has to figure out what they can do.

I personally play games of a mind numbing quality. Either super simple like Blackjack on TTS, or grinding levels/quests in an MMO like Runescape.

SoraKarmAzir Bot2 votes

[sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune]

Eksdee kys means

Keep Yourself Safe

What a kind initialism, I don't know why you're so upset child?

NepgearDesu2 votes

No, actually I believe everyone should care about such things. Anyone should feel ashamed to even think about telling some fellow human they never even met to kill themself. That's the lowest you can achieve in terms of empathy, and someone who doesn't have empathy is about as interesting a human as my dishwasher.

Stay strong, dear. These imbeciles don't mean it, and while that doesn't make them any less stupid, you're absolutely safe from them. Do you happen to own plushies? Bigger ones are incredibly comforting to hug, and even a small bear you can talk to when you need to get something off your chest. It's cheaper than a psychologist, and more cuddly, too!

Have faith! And if you ever want to know what happens to the kind of person who's moronic enough to say such things to other people, there are Darwin awards.

Have an excellent day, dear fellow, and see you around!

Aladoron1 votes

Anyone should feel ashamed to even think about telling some fellow human they never even met to kill themself.

If a given player's only effect on my life was to ruin my game and waste my time, I could not care less.

That's the lowest you can achieve in terms of empathy

Well, you do not want to hear my ideas then xD

and someone who doesn't have empathy is about as interesting a human as my dishwasher.

Are you empathic with your dishwasher? Or you have no empathy for people who have no empathy, ultimately turning you into a dishwasher? O.o Or you think hating "bad people" is OK? Funny people cry about empathy, but nobody shows some for the people who does not have it. Actually people with no empathy can be even more interesting than the normal ones, since you can not expect what they will do. xD

These imbeciles don't mean it, and while that doesn't make them any less stupid, you're absolutely safe from them.

Thanks! That is exactly the point there! (Also, I hope the dicks mods remove the imbecile, why would you be offensive with them?)

And if you ever want to know what happens to the kind of person who's moronic enough to say such things to other people, there are Darwin awards.

Nice empathy there man! Lets laugh on the unfortunate fellas who were in a stupid accident.

NepgearDesu1 votes

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Are you empathic with your dishwasher? Or you have no empathy for people who have no empathy, ultimately turning you into a dishwasher? O.o Or you think hating "bad people" is OK? Funny people cry about empathy, but nobody shows some for the people who does not have it. Actually people with no empathy can be even more interesting than the normal ones, since you can not expect what they will do. xD

Where in your book does it say that having no empathy means being, err, "bad", whatever that means? I specifically used the word "interesting", to make absolutely sure no one would take it as a moral judgement. I suppose I'll add a line such as WARNING: THIS IS NOT A MORAL JUDGEMENT next time, just in case. I also did write "as interesting a human as a dishwasher." Dishwashers aren't human, so they aren't interesting in that regard. A person who has no empathy is, to me, uninteresting as a human, though usually still interesting in a number of other ways. Is it clearer that way, or do you still see stuff that a board terrorist could transfigure and make say irrelevant things?

Thanks! That is exactly the point there! (Also, I hope the dicks mods remove the imbecile, why would you be offensive with them?)

Because demanding some stranger, through a computer screen, to kill themself is, to me, a proof of extreme stupidity, for forsaking tens of thousands of years of refining social behaviours into useful policies, acting like one's actions have no consequences and doing things based on concepts that, if widespread and expanded upon, would make for a society that would be difficult to live in. Or blatant ignorance, which can be cured if the person wants it to be, but could be worthy of a few harsh words, especially when said ignorance is harmful to others. Also, most people are imbeciles in a number of ways. As an example, I'm stupid enough that I'm spending some time to explain my thoughts to a stranger over the Internet: you don't know me, you probably won't even remember this chat tomorrow, and whatever I write likely won't stick in your brain long enough to change any of your behaviours (implied: durably, and for the better).

Nice empathy there man! Lets laugh on the unfortunate fellas who were in a stupid accident.

You can laugh if you like, but I find it pretty sad that someone would die in e.g. trying to prove a grenade has been defused (and it hasn't). It still goes to show that stupidity sometimes comes back to bite, which can be comforting to some.

Aladoron1 votes

Where in your book does it say that having no empathy means being, err, "bad", whatever that means? I specifically used the word "interesting", to make absolutely sure no one would take it as a moral judgement. I suppose I'll add a line such as WARNING: THIS IS NOT A MORAL JUDGEMENT next time, just in case.

Well, I really misunderstood this part. i'm sorry. I just met too many people who just bash on flamers, like they were some kind of subhuman trash, so my reading was kinda biased here, which is no excuse, but whatever.

Because demanding some stranger, through a computer screen, to kill themself is, to me, a proof of extreme stupidity,

I was already discussing it with somebody, but one point you should realize "kys" is not "demanding some stranger, through a computer screen, to kill themselves". It's more likely a fck off, or fck you in the current times and community. Or just look at "kms", for example I've written "kms" when I fcked up a play, flashed accidentally etc.. I've never meant to kill myself because of these reasons. Would you be worried about my life if I write "kms" after I blatantly fail to flash over a wall in game?

for forsaking tens of thousands of years of refining social behaviours into useful policies, acting like one's actions have no consequences and doing things based on concepts that, if widespread and expanded upon, would make for a society that would be difficult to live in. Or blatant ignorance, which can be cured if the person wants it to be, but could be worthy of a few harsh words, especially when said ignorance is harmful to others.

But the thing is, some actions have no or negligible consequences. If I say "kys" to a random stranger online in a video game, never meeting him again, has no consequence, or at least for sane people. Of course, if we would use it for every action, the current community would collapse, and that is desired by nobody (hopefully).

Also, most people are imbeciles in a number of ways. As an example, I'm stupid enough that I'm spending some time to explain my thoughts to a stranger over the Internet: you don't know me, you probably won't even remember this chat tomorrow, and whatever I write likely won't stick in your brain long enough to change any of your behaviours (implied: durably, and for the better).

Whatever you say, calling someone imbecile is a toxic behaviour according to the game and Boards. You can not justify saying imbecile, by calling imbecile/stupid yourself.

It still goes to show that stupidity sometimes comes back to bite, which can be comforting to some.

So you are empathic with these people, but you link a site, where the whole point is to make fun of people (even the name Darwin award makes fun of them). What you basically say: "I know, I know, they said "kys" to you, but look at these idiots dying! Do you feel better yet?" This just shows you have NO EMPATHY for the people who died this way.

Netorare2 votes

Oh look, another thread where someone gets offended by a word on the internet, how unique... This is why we cant have nice things smh.

Aladoron2 votes

"KYS" = "end your life!" "fck yourself" = "Please have a sexual intercourse with yourself!"

Do you honestly think the "fck yourself" means what I wrote? If you doesn't think so, why would you think it about the "kys". It became simply a synonym for "fck off" and things like this.

Sometimes I'll end a game and cry, it's not very often but it does happen, and probably happens to other people to...

Do you honestly start crying because somebody told you something bad once? Or are you chopping onions while you play LoL? O.o

Telling someone to kill themselves isn't flaming, it's way worse.

And this is my point, "kys" doesn't mean this anymore.

Shiwah1 votes

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Aladoron1 votes

You believe that all "kys" in game was told in the meaning "kill yourself", and really suggesting the player to kill himself. LoL okay. You must have an even worse image about humanity than I have.

Do you think the "fck yourself" means what I said too? xD

Shiwah1 votes

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Aladoron2 votes

Well, because people are not so evil as you imagine them.

But look, I surely can not argue with your twisted reality where everyone wants others to die over a video game. I know when people use it on me, or I use it on somebody else, they and I do not mean it. But I honestly do not want to argue about it with you, keep believing "fck yourself" means commanding somebody having sexual intercourse with himself, that "kys" means a honest suggestion all the time. I really do not care ;)

Albus Rumbledore1 votes

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dnsup3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Albus Rumbledore,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jBKNbua,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-13T06:59:33.940+0000)

I won't stop till manual review of my chat logs.

... Really??

Assumption that ppl should have symphaty over every stranger is dumb.

There was never any such assumption; it's called empathy, AKA "the golden rule" ...

... AKA "do unto others what you would have them do unto you"--the logical inverse of the version you tried to "quete":

Don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you, it is good quete,

Of which you said,

but I don't care if internet stranger will shout at me all the insults of the world.

That's you. Maybe you don't know what it's like to be called "!#%" or "!#%%^?", etc., while someone physically harms you, or other such things. But if you want to cooperate with people in any society--which is the whole reason why you're here, after all, since you wouldn't exist if billions of people before you had never existed and actually worked together--then you have to envision what that kind of experience does to a person.

I assume you aren't living with deppresion long enough,

Huh?

one time you will just stop carring about others,

... Huh?

sometimes I'm told that idc too much so idk. Anyway I won't stop until my 14 days ban, then I will just use it on another acc.

If that's really how you feel, then, no offense, but I hope you get what's coming to you.

Albus Rumbledore1 votes

{quoted}

... Really??

There was never any such assumption; it's called empathy, AKA "the golden rule" ...

... AKA "do unto others what you would have them do unto you"--the logical inverse of the version you tried to "quete":

Of which you said,

That's you. Maybe you don't know what it's like to be called "!#%" or "!#%%^?", etc., while someone physically harms you, or other such things. But if you want to cooperate with people in any society--which is the whole reason why you're here, after all, since you wouldn't exist if billions of people before you had never existed and actually worked together--then you have to envision what that kind of experience does to a person.

Huh?

... Huh?

If that's really how you feel, then, no offense, but I hope you get what's coming to you.

One thing I forget is how it is actually easy to use it, three letters and boom, so I'm adding it to list.

Op said symphaty in his post.

As jew, I know what's hate is(not like my great grandparents/grandparents), it was actually weird when I tried to make friend one time, we were hanging out, and when he found out I'm jewish, he justcalled me %%%% and I was like OK, bey. And no I don't care if someone is shouting insult at me, as long as he won't persecute me or put me into "working" camp.

Another thing is ppl just think internet is and should be same as real word. Who know's, what I know is, if you are going to kill yourself bcs strengers told you so, there is something wrong with you.

I hope you get what's coming to you.

What's this dude?

dnsup2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Albus Rumbledore,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jBKNbua,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T07:41:06.420+0000)

As jew, I know what's hate is(not like my great grandparents/grandparents)

... You realize that hate is not a "one size fits all" concept, right? And just having experienced hate is not the same as empathising with all people who are targets of hate. There are uncountably many varieties of what we call hate.

After all, if it were as simple as "I know what hate is", then all people would understand each other's pain (everyone experiences something called "hatred"), and the idea of "empathy" would be relatively unimportant (due to the universality it would then enjoy).

Albus Rumbledore1 votes

{quoted}

... You realize that hate is not a "one size fits all" concept, right? And just having experienced hate is not the same as empathising with all people who are targets of hate. There are uncountably many varieties of what we call hate.

After all, if it were as simple as "I know what hate is", then all people would understand each other's pain (everyone experiences something called "hatred"), and the idea of "empathy" would be relatively unimportant (due to the universality it would then enjoy).

Yeah. And? Of course there are other kinds of hate. What does it have to do with calling other "bad" words on internet? Is it hate? Maybe? But it is by no means same as racism/antisemitism etc. If you will be like "Omg, stranger on internet said K.Y.S to me, the level of hate is so unbearable", I will just laugh, you havnt experienced real "hate" IMO, <Removed by Moderation>

Anyway we are just away from topic here. I will keep using it simply bcs

  1. it is easy, like rly, just 3 to 6 letter
  2. it is challanging, yeah, it is, you are fooling system(8 months for me now)
  3. it is powerful, simply bcs ppl give it power
NepgearDesu1 votes

{quoted}

... AKA "do unto others what you would have them do unto you"--the logical inverse of the version you tried to "quete":

Ah, I would avoid enforcing such a rule for at least one reason: not everyone has the same tastes. Like, next time I meet a masochistic person I would prefer them not to bind and whip me, even if they usually get their kicks from it themself.

Sounds reasonable in a number of cases, though.

dnsup2 votes

{quoted}

Ah, I would avoid enforcing such a rule for at least one reason: not everyone has the same tastes.

Right, I was only pointing out that they're not equivalent concepts and that what Albus Rumbledore quoted isn't what people usually mean by "golden rule" etc.

DatBoii20011 votes

/mute

IG Ziko1 votes

I find many more things even more offensive than that. It's sad how toxic people can get in a game.

Midg3t1 votes

Ahh another 'some1 was mean to me and Im overreacting for attention' thread. smh

SirHydro1 votes

Why is this downvoted?

ModUlanopo1 votes

The OP has seemingly abandoned the thread and the responses have degenerated into a debate on whether or not "KYS" is an insult. This discussion is already meaningless, as both Riot and the community at large have decided that it is. There was a time in gaming communities where that was not the case, but times and cultures change.

The thread has been locked.

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