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How does this constitute a permanent ban?

SunOfNun··8 votes·3,387 views

I have been punished maybe 3 times with chat restrictions and one 14 day ban over the span of the last year, so I am by no means a constant repeat offender but I can be blunt toward teammates. For the situation of this game in particular, I had called mid and locked it in since I know I called it first, but a teammate thought he did, thus there was a duo mid. My teammate, a lux, couldn't get any of the cs so he decided to intentionally feed. And my opposing yasuo and leesin happily took what kills they could, and felt it was necessary to trash talk me while doing so, pointing out how they (obviously) had more kills than me. Of course I didn't take their insults toward my gameplay happily and lashed back at them and insulted my scumbag teammate lux as well. This is the dialogue from that game:

SunOfNun: ? SunOfNun: is lux trolling? SunOfNun: i called mid SunOfNun: k SunOfNun: reported SunOfNun: same SunOfNun: just leave lux you're making this hard on me for no reason SunOfNun: you have 3 cs SunOfNun: and you make it so that neither of us can get it SunOfNun: just leave please SunOfNun: thanks SunOfNun: all you do is auto attack SunOfNun: and get nothing SunOfNun: just leave pls SunOfNun: pls stop trolling this lane SunOfNun: pls report lux <---- when lux started inting SunOfNun: report SunOfNun: lux SunOfNun: pls SunOfNun: lmao SunOfNun: couldn't get any cs SunOfNun: so you decide to int SunOfNun: great SunOfNun: pls report SunOfNun: lmao pissed cuz she can't get a single cs SunOfNun: you're lucky this inbred retard is feeding you SunOfNun: also you're a pos for taking the free kills SunOfNun: ? SunOfNun: you've been unable to dodge a single nado SunOfNun: nt tho SunOfNun: take advantage of what you can SunOfNun: because clearly you lack the skill to win this matchup SunOfNun: thanks SunOfNun: lmfao you can't SunOfNun: ? SunOfNun: i dumpstered you in a 1v1 situation SunOfNun: hell i whooped you 1v2 SunOfNun: don't even try me kid SunOfNun: lmao SunOfNun: dont waste my time SunOfNun: already did SunOfNun: already won SunOfNun: ez SunOfNun: gj SunOfNun: lmao except not only did i whoop you SunOfNun: i even whooped you with lux feeding u SunOfNun: nt kiddo SunOfNun: get stomped SunOfNun: nt kiddos SunOfNun: funny that you need your butt buddy here from the same clan to back you up SunOfNun: since anyone with half a brain can see that you're trash SunOfNun: better send 4 SunOfNun: nt kid SunOfNun: ? SunOfNun: gl winning lane next time bud

Given the back story of that game, as well as my dialogue, I am completely confused as to how this constitutes a permanent ban. I was by no mean nice to the yasuo, leesin, and lux, but if anyone thinks they deserve kindness for how they acted during the entirety of that game then I want no part of this community any longer. If anyone has any ideas as to how to reach out to someone how can potentially lift this ban please let me know, since this punishment is outrageous.

76 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram20 votes

If you are posting chat logs to give context, you should post both chat logs that were given.

Because you have a lot of penalties (3 alone in the last month), the question is whether these 2 chat logs would warrant a chat restriction. If the answer is yes, then you penalty would be escalated to a permanent ban, as explained to you previously.

SunOfNun4 votes

I posted this one because this is the game that got me banned, and I went out of my way to make this post and question the tribunal's decision in banning me because as a member of this community for 6 years, to be permanently banned over the dialogue of 1 month is sickening. Not only that, I thought maybe someone in the system would understand that given the situation of the game I was reported in, and thus banned for, maybe they'd be willing to show some leniency. I guess I was wrong. Those 6 years clearly mean nothing, just the chat logs of one month. What sickens me the most, however, is not the despicable players from that game that goaded me into lashing out at them, but how quickly this community comes together to condemn a fellow player. I really did enjoy this game for quite some time, but if this is what it's come down to, then I truly regret wasting my time, money, and effort on this game.

Paquay6 votes

We come together to "condemn" fellow players because we're all sick of the toxicity that those fellow players are continually punished for.

We are tired of being flamed, tired of playing with trolls, tired of being stuck in 20 minute games when all we want to do is enjoy ourselves.

3 penalties in a month means that you have been reported NUMEROUS times. You have been ruining several games this month. You were warned that the next punishment would result in a permanent ban and yet you still decided to ruin games.

Goodbye.

SunOfNun4 votes

In the context of the game I posted, which is the one that got me banned, how was I the one who ruined that game with my toxicity? If I could bring up the entire dialogue of that game I would in a heartbeat, so you can see just who exactly was the one flaming and ruining that game. If you could read the entire chat log you wouldn't be so quick to judge. If you believe a person should be reported and punished for ruining a game, how did i ruin that game, and what of the actions of the harassing enemies as well as the toxic throwing teammate?

Paquay4 votes

You keep pointing to this one game. It's not about this one game. 3 punishments. Each punishment usually takes several games into account before any action is taken.

You've been consistently toxic recently. You can say they flames you this game, but what about every other game? You're going to keep making excuses. The downvotes are because we see these same excuses every day and we are tired of people coming here and being toxic.

There's millions of other players. We don't want to play with you.

SunOfNun4 votes

So you choose to dodge my questions while dragging my name in the mud even further. I never refuted that I have been toxic, hell I even pointed out that I have had previous punishments. But to say that I was the one who ruined that game and was the toxic one is a complete lie. And I emphasize this game because it was after the report in this game that I got banned, does that not signify some importance to that game in particular? Also, if you got banned from a report in a game where you called out the intentionally throwing and toxic teammate a retard, would you not be angry?

SciFi Scrivener3 votes

Just saying, when you responded " SunOfNun: you're lucky this inbred retard is feeding you SunOfNun: also you're a pos for taking the free kills"

You became toxic and you deserved to be reported.

"if you got banned from a report in a game where you called out the intentionally throwing and toxic teammate a retard, would you not be angry?" - when you call someone a "retard" you should expect to be banned.

Don't want to get banned? Easy, stop being toxic. Forget what others are doing and control your own actions.

SunOfNun4 votes

Forget what others are doing? I only get to play so many games during the week because of my schedule, and of the few games I could play that day it was completely ruined by an intentional feeder, could you so easily ignore his actions?

Paquay5 votes

You act like you're the only person in this game who had an afk/feeder in their game. We all go through it, yet we don't all get banned for it. Stop focusing on this game. You've made many missteps and did not learn from any of the previous penalties.

I truly hope you learn from this one. Whether it's here or in another game I wish you the best, and hopefully you'll improve from here.

SunOfNun3 votes

In what way have I expressed that only I have had trolls in my game? I've even stated in a different comment that I'm sure we've all had our ups and downs with this game, due to the fact that there are trolls. And what's there to learn from this game? Be nice to trolls or else?

Paquay3 votes

To learn? That people suck but you don't have to let it affect you. You can choose to accept you get the occasional troll, let it go, then move on to the next game. The flip side is you can argue with them (which has NEVER solved any problems) and then risk punishment.

SciFi Scrivener1 votes

Yes, I could. Sure, offer suggestions to team mates that need it, but if you have someone int feeding or just plan trolling, ignore them. The game may be a lost, but it's only a game. Life is too short to let a troll in a GAME get you that upset.

RiotRiot Tantram9 votes

You are wrong that this one game got you penalized. You were given multiple games in your reform card because they were all a part of why you were penalized.

SunOfNun4 votes

I never said that this game alone is the reason for my punishment, but it's the truth that it was after this game that I was penalized. It took the reports from two different games in order to penalize me, and it was after this one in particular that a punishment was given out, that is why I am emphasizing the importance of this one game in particular.

Zielmann2 votes

It being the last game leading up to the ban doesn't make it any more important than all the other games you were correctly reported in. It just means it was the last straw.

SunOfNun3 votes

There were two games in total on the report card, I chose this one in particular because of reasons I've already stated multiple times, so yeah, I would say this game in particular is pretty heavily weighted since there were only 2.

Zielmann4 votes

You can say that the last game prior to the ban was more important all you want, but that's just willful ignorance at this point, seeing as how it's been explained several times over here that it doesn't work that way.

Let's say you're playing poker. You have a pair of 9s, but your opponent has three-of-a-kind 7s. Luck is on your side and you get your third 9 on your draw. Sure, the last 9 was the hero in the moment, but the truth is that all three of them were equally important to winning that hand. It wouldn't matter if that 9 was drawn if you only had one 9 in your hand to begin with. You'd still have lost to the three-of-a-kind.

SunOfNun4 votes

Under the notion that all 2 of the games I was reported in were equally important, how is it that the game where I was clearly being trolled and harassed in should have equal weight to one where I'm just being an ass and actually deserve to be punished for my actions?

Zielmann4 votes

Because you're judged on your own behavior. There's zero justification for continually harassing a teammate through the game. If you can't handle somebody harassing you, the correct response is to mute them and report them when you're done. But instead, you decided to stoop to their level and make yourself guilty of exactly what you accuse them of doing. In what way does that help the situation at all?

dudenotcoolman6 votes

Zielman's metaphor makes sense but wouldn't that mean the game where this guy got baited by the enemy and the feeder is just as important as a game where some guy goes off on his team and flames them? I can see where both of you are coming from here, but I can also agree that they shouldn't be penalized the same way.

Zielmann2 votes

You posted while I was replying to the OP. Short summary:

You're responsible for your own behavior. Returning toxicity does nothing to improve the situation, and only makes it worse for the others on your team. Mute the people causing you trouble, and report them after the game.

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

I don't believe you could be a snowflake. I trend on the border of being passive-aggressive.

What I read is absurdity. Ultimately, you didn't reform. People don't feel sorry for bans of repeat offenders. Riot didn't wrong you, you wronged yourself and the community. I've seen this title so many times over the last 6.5 years.

If you're looking for a community response, this is it. Considering the butchered chat logs and missing info. https://giphy.com/gifs/joaquin-phoenix-emperor-the-gladiator-idTMWSGyNeQ5q summoner 11

SunOfNun2 votes

What is so absurd? That I'm angry for being permanently banned for verbally hitting back at a teammate who was throwing the game? Also, what butchered chat logs?

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

printscreen then paste into paint. Save the file as whatever.png Upload that into a hosting website, then post the URL. A long process, but it gets the whole truth out without you editing and deleting lines. And there's typically between 2-3 chats cited with a permanent ban. Scores are somewhat relevant.

The argument, "everyone else is speeding" never works. Report and chill. http://i65.tinypic.com/2a9pthz.jpg

ItsOrval1 votes

Still waiting on the reason for all my accounts being permabanned fam.

EvilDustMan16 votes

Inbred retard and butt buddy are not exactly good word choices for any situation.

YerroFever9 votes

4 prior punishments and you are surprised you got to the permaban?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

but in his defense he will state this game isnt that bad... i didnt do anything really worthy of a punishment based on this game alone.

YerroFever7 votes

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but in his defense he will state this game isnt that bad... i didnt do anything really worthy of a punishment based on this game alone.

The thing is, punishments take severity of offense and frequency of offense into account.

If they're mid level offenses that happen no matter how many times they get punished, they're just going to say "well this person is a recidivist and has no intentions of reforming and stopping this toxic behavior. Permaban"

One should never expect slaps on the wrist forever.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

SunOfNun4 votes

It was 3, forgot to add a comma it was 2 chat restrictions and 1 14 day ban, but never have I been punished on a basis like this for "flaming", hell never have I even been temporarily banned let alone permabanned before this year. What used to be considered banter has now turned into bannable offenses apparently. If i could post my track record, I would in a heart beat, over the span of playing this game and contributing to the community in a fairly positive manner for nearly 6 years, to have it all disappear like this just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

WiccanBKaplan3 votes

How is "inbred retard" and "butt buddy" banter?

Xenos von Faneli8 votes

Sure I'm calling people inbred retards and trash but I'm really confused as to why I'm being punished.

Epicanian6 votes

{quoted}

SunOfNun: you&#039;re lucky this inbred retard is feeding you

this is "being blunt"? you deserve a ban. 3 chat restrictions and a 2 week ban is a ton. You are absolutely a constant repeat offender. If you get several bans and you keep being toxic, you get permabanned. That's how it works.

SunOfNun5 votes

I said I'm blunt in general when playing the game, and pointed out that i was pretty irked in this game in particular, and even stated that I lashed out at the other offenders in this game, never did I say that my actions during this game were unpunishable.

Epicanian5 votes

Then what is your argument? "these actions are punishable but i dont deserve to be punished"

SunOfNun5 votes

I believe that punishments based on the level of the offense should be applied here, not an automatically escalating permanent ban due to one minor offense, I never said that I should receive no punishment for my actions. Would you give a convict the life sentence for stealing a pack of gum shortly after his release?

SuperLuigiLXIV5 votes

Prison is a restriction of freedom. Banning from a game is a revocation of privilege.

Two extremely, entirely different things.

League isn't life. The rules work differently, and if you've been around for 6 years, you KNOW that.

SunOfNun4 votes

Okay then, would you expel a student who was recently suspended for being tardy to class once?

SuperLuigiLXIV4 votes

If he got suspended for being tardy too many times, and I told him "if you are tardy ONE MORE TIME with no excuse, you're expelled" then I absolutely would, yes.

Any more entirely different situations with entirely different punishments and expectations you'd like to compare your ban to when it's not a real comparison at all while we're here?

SunOfNun3 votes

Would expulsion from school not be a revocation of a privilege? Sure it's not the best comparison, but given what's available it certainly fits. Now back to the real situation at hand, it's not being punished that makes me mad, it's the game in question that I got reported for that makes me angry, I was goaded into fighting back at my teammate who had been intentionally throwing the game while harassing myself and my teammates, sure just mute him and ignore it like some people said, but would everyone actually do that?

SuperLuigiLXIV4 votes

No. You chose to respond. You could have easily just muted them and moved on with life.

I don't blame you for responding, frankly. I tend to respond more often than I mute. I have a dislike of muting because I don't like the idea of silencing someone, even if they're stupid. Now, my responses aren't as harsh or...colorful as yours are, but I have snapped back when provoked.

What my problem is, is that you KNEW what the punishment was should you happen to be seen calling people names and making fun of them again, and you won't accept it like a man.

Epicanian1 votes

....you just said you've been punished 3 times this year, now it's "one minor offense" ????????????

SunOfNun1 votes

Please reread what I wrote

Silly Neeko5 votes

Hmmmm lets see...... You were chat restricted 3 times prior, and even had a 14 day ban....... Over the course of a year......

You know what punishments i have been given in the course of a year? Ill even go to about 3 years........

Some low priority queue timers due to internet issues cutting me out in the middle of the game.

You even went to a 14 day suspension and you do not view yourself as a repeat offender?

The phrase

SunOfNun: you're lucky this inbred retard is feeding you

You were not being blunt, you were being a jerk. This falls under "negative attitude" and "greifing".

Nobody asked you to be nice to them..... Nobody said you had to show kindness...... But you were chat banned and even 14 day suspended for your attitude.

Perhaps you need to watch Bambi...... Cause as Thumper was taught..... "if you cant say anything nice, dont say anything at all".

I will reiterate this yet again in this same message because it seems in all the years you have been on planet earth you have yet to figure this out........

You do not have to be nice..... But you get in trouble for being a jerk...... You can just mute and ignore and have nothing happen. You do not have to say anything if you do not have something nice to say. If you say something not nice, then expect consequences. This is especially true since YOU WERE PUNISHED MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE, FOR THE VERY SAME AND EXACT REASON YOU WERE BANNED!

Hope this helps.

No, nobody is going to help you get your account unbanned.

Dolyna4 votes

{quoted}

I have been punished maybe 3 times with chat restrictions and one 14 day ban over the span of the last year, so I am by no means a constant repeat offender but I can be blunt toward teammates.

You don't seem to quite grasp the concept of escalating punishment. You didn't get a permaban because of one game. You got a permaban because you kept being toxic in games. Each punishment was greater than the last as a warning to stop doing that, and that you could get permabanned if you kept doing it.

The last game was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. A very minor reportable offense is enough, considering all the previous offenses. And this one was more than minor.

DrCyanide1 votes

I have been punished maybe 3 times with chat restrictions and one 14 day ban over the span of the last year, so I am by no means a constant repeat offender but I can be blunt toward teammates.

Getting the 10 game chat restriction, the 25 game chat restriction, and the 14 day ban means Riot does consider you a constant repeat offender.

For the situation of this game in particular

Was that the only game or did you have more in your log?

SunOfNun4 votes

this is the one i got banned for, also 3 punishments over the span of a year is pretty low I thought, but maybe I'm wrong

DrCyanide3 votes

The ideal (and certainly manageable) is 0 punishments over a year.

The punishment system has 4 tiers (you've hit all of them at this point). You can drop down a tier, hitting the 10 game chat restriction twice instead of getting bumped up to a 25 game chat restriction (as an example), so that's the second best situation to be in.

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