Is this inting? i reported him for it.

iDvDora·Oct 17, 2017·6 votes·1,050 views

https://makeagif.com/i/aje1C4 is that inting? and i think he is boosted to gold he feeds every game. and he was bronze now all of a sudden he is gold. <Removed by Moderation>

36 Comments

Midnight50Oct 17, 201711 votes

For anyone curious, I'm the guy in the post. What happened was , i accidentally flashed and then got mad at myself and flagged into the tower, half jokingly. Then xin came out of nowhere. Rest of the game the guy starts flaming me and i am trying my absolute best to keep positive so we can actually win, don't believe me that's on you but i was literally saying good job team, we can scale, etc all game, i was not flaming at all and i was actually so confused why this guy was so mad at me. seemed like he was just really trying to find a reason to flame me.

He even went as far as to add me, continue flaming me, and then link me to this post. Best of luck to him in the future :D

MusOct 18, 20172 votes

It happens man.

I can relate, my comment before was before I read this.

Sometimes when I lose the penta, I say to myself "I don't deserve to live" and go under a turret

In a joking matter of course since I'm with friends.

One death won't make the game a loss.

74% kp proves you did good regardless of the death you gave.

General Esdeath Oct 18, 20171 votes

OH SHIT YOU FAMOUS BOY!

Can I have your autograph? [zombie-nunu-hearts]

Jo0oOct 18, 20171 votes

I appreciate the honesty, but... isn't that just inting? For whatever reason, you charged an enemy tower with the intention of dying. Xin was in his own jungle, so you didn't just take a tower hit or two as a joke, you fully ran DEEP into enemy territory for no reason other than to die.

If it was just one death and you truly did your best for the remainder of the game, I'd argue that you shouldn't be punished for a moment of tilt. Folks do dumb stuff from tilt like making bad dives all the time, and aren't gonna get punished for it. But I'd be careful of whatever impulse you experienced if I were you, because what you're describing sounds like intentional feeding to me.

ChermorgOct 17, 20174 votes

He had absolutely no way of knowing that Xin was coming, and he likely was just trying to go counterjungle.

Or, he clicked to go towards the turret, and disconnected before he could click off.

There is absolutely no way to definitively say that was intentional. The rest of the game (and other games) would determine punishment, if any.

iDvDoraOct 17, 20172 votes

he flashed under tower because i got the shut down gold. i could post the whole match if you want.

ChermorgOct 17, 20172 votes

The entire team gets the shut down gold, and in your ELO I find it hard to believe (read: almost impossible) he didn't know that.

Even so, he could've been trying to execute.

The question you must ask is this: "is it clear, beyond a doubt, that he performed those actions with the intent of giving the enemy the kill?" And the answer is there's multiple doubts.

RallerenPOct 17, 20172 votes

The entire team gets the shut down gold, and in your ELO I find it hard to believe (read: almost impossible)

Silver 4? I find it very easy to believe he didn't know that. Silvers (including myself) generally have terrible game knowledge.

iDvDoraOct 17, 20172 votes

he flashed under tower because i got the shut down gold. i could post the whole match if you want. he did not dc

KVbqbFsC8eOct 17, 20172 votes

What exactly would it take for you to acknowledge someone is inting? The man walks straight into the tower with 30% health after he burns flash for no reason and uses his flag right before meaning he has no escape. Even if Xin was not there, it made virtually zero sense to run through the tower.

ChermorgOct 17, 20171 votes

Executes are a strategy.

KVbqbFsC8eOct 17, 20172 votes

For what logical reason would he execute himself? He just successfully ganked top and then for virtually no reason flashes towards the tower and kills himself. How can you possibly justify that? Not even mentioning that it would never in a million years be an execute that soon after the gank.

ChermorgOct 17, 20171 votes

Faulty logic (or lack thereof) is not a punishable offense.

I am merely pointing out (in this and all other replies) that there are multiple explanations other than "he wanted to die to an enemy" that cast enough doubt on that action to possibly not punish.

iDvDoraOct 17, 20172 votes

was no vison in river if he was exucting when did he falme me in chat then flash to tower?

ChermorgOct 17, 20172 votes

So he wanted to execute cause he was mad at you. It's a quicker back that allows you to avoid any possibility of dying to the enemy (unless, in the rare case like this, they catch you).

If he intended to execute, he by definition did not intend for anyone to get the gold from his death, and if no enemy got the kill, he didn't intend to feed them.

Executes, even failed ones, are not going to be punishable in many cases, as they are a legitimate strategy, even if they are attempted based on faulty logic or incorrect assumptions.

underscores222Oct 18, 20171 votes

Considering he spent 3-5 seconds walking toward the tower and taking shots, I think you're really digging on the first paragraph. This clearly was not a faster way of getting back to base.

I agree with your declaration that executing (even if it fails) is not intentionally feeding because the intent is to not die to an enemy.

Midnight50Oct 18, 20172 votes

incase you're curious, as i posted below, its me in the gif.... i flashed on accident and then got pissed off and ran into tower to kill myslef because i just blew my flash. then xin came out of nowhere, i apologized, and spent the rest of the game playing my best and trying to be a positive reinforcement to my team while the warwick flamed me for 'inting'. i actually ended up with the best score while the ww died twice because he was typing in the middle of a fight.

and also, i knew i was going to die but i did think it was long enough to be an execute for sure, the gif looks a lot shorter because the frames are so choppy but im pretty sure there was 13 seconds inbetween

underscores222Oct 19, 20171 votes

I'm making no judgement on the game conditions or intent, only on the logic presented in that comment, the first part of which I found to be a stretch.

BeatzBoyFTWOct 18, 20171 votes

I mean in the gif, he can literally just walk back to his own turret & recall.

Jo0oOct 17, 20177 votes

To be fair... it's probably inting.

More context from the rest of the game might help to determine that. If he's a bad player that doesn't respect turret damage, he might have thought he could proxy a wave or steal jungle quickly by running through lane, and got caught by the Xin. There are explanations aplenty.

But yeah, probably inting.

ChermorgOct 17, 20174 votes

I agree - it's probably intentionally dying.

Did he intend to give the enemy team that kill? Considering he had no way of knowing Xin would kill him after he went under turret, it's not intentional feeding.

KVbqbFsC8eOct 17, 20172 votes

Even if Xin was not there, if he was intentionally dying, he's giving Darius a kill. You're being ridiculous.

Jo0oOct 17, 20173 votes

I disagree.

For starters, he just got hit by Darius, and was probably still bleeding. I don't think he was out of combat long enough to even be in execute range: if that turret had killed him, Darius would have received kill credit.

Secondly, his pathing was clearly taking him past the turret. If he was going for an execute, he'd have stopped or stutter-stepped in turret range, rather than running PAST the turret. As far as I can tell, when he did die, he had made it beyond the turret range and wasn't about to die.

Thirdly, he burned flash. I simply can't fathom burning flash in order to get executed faster in this scenario. At no point in my League career, even at my most noobish (and I've been quite noobish), would that occur to me to do.

Fourthly, he was CLOSER to a friendly turret! I respect that it's not always possible to comprehend the deficiencies of bad players, but I can't relate to the desire to move FARTHER AWAY to an enemy turret to die, rather than returning to a friendly turret to go back to base. It makes no amount of sense to me.

Honestly, the best excuse for this behavior I can come up with is that he got turned around in the skirmish and was "returning" to the wrong base. Little-league Basketball players shoot on the wrong hoop occasionally, it's not unheard of. But that wouldn't explain the flash.

ChermorgOct 17, 20172 votes

I respect that. And to be quite honest with you, I agree, he probably would've died to the Darius anyway.

Did he, beyond a shadow of a doubt, intend to feed the enemy team? I can't say that beyond a shadow of a doubt he did based on that one death.

Jo0oOct 17, 20173 votes

From a standpoint of not wanting to punish innocent players, I get where you're coming from.

Practically speaking, I think you have too high a standard of proof. The promise of protection against intentional feeders by Riot, ideally speaking, is such that a player needn't int-feed multiple times in a game to get punished. Any amount of intentional feeding is supposed to be punished. And, in this situation, a player flashed while out of combat in order to more effectively make it to an enemy turret, burning all escapes, and ran THROUGH the turret and into the enemy jungler without offering any change in course, resistance, juking, etc.

There's a phenomenon in the American court systems (and probably in others around the world) these days where juries have too high a standard of evidence from watching Law and Order and other TV shows where irrefutable DNA evidence, damning testimony, and other dramatic information is shared. In reality, there is only so much evidence we're going to collect. I think, in this case, you gotta drop the guilty verdict.

KVbqbFsC8eOct 17, 20175 votes

So he needed to proxy that wave so badly there he uses Flash and then throws out his flag meaning he has no escapes whatsoever? C'mon now.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 17, 20173 votes

Hey iDvDora! Posting name & shaming on the boards isn't allowed, so I edited out the op.gg link that called the player in question out. Please avoid name & shaming in the future, because for the most part it can get full posts removed! Thank you. [sg-miss-fortune]

Liquid Poro Oct 18, 20171 votes

Thank for remove names.

General Esdeath Oct 18, 20171 votes

But the guys name is still in the post

ModAttysu The PoroOct 19, 20171 votes

{quoted}

But the guys name is still in the post

...I did this late alright? [sg-janna]

Thank you, fixed it! <3

General Esdeath Oct 19, 20171 votes

I gotchu fam <3

MusOct 18, 20172 votes

I'm just going to be blunt.

What he did was not inting but griefing because it looked like he only wanted to execute. I looked up your match, his kill participation doesn't seem like an inter.

He had a 74% k/p and highest damage on the team, right under veigar.

Unless he bought tears of the goddess or 6 boots for his 6 feet then its not inting.

If anything, its griefing because his flash was not needed (He did not know xin was there)

Edit: I didn't notice the jarvin posted on this thread when I wrote this. Accidents happen.

Fleet FlytOct 18, 20171 votes

I would have just argued that he was going to proxy farm

SnowplosionOct 18, 20171 votes

See on one hand he didn't know Xin was coming, but on the other he ran into a turret...

schmiddy247Oct 19, 20171 votes

Shouldnt tiamat-q's the cannon and take every single farm, you're the straight up worst cockroach in the game. You should be squished. Instead of playing like a team you just cry like a baby over anything that pokes a hole in your inflated self esteem.