PermaBanned for being a little tilted and complaining about someone int feeding?

WootImaNinja·May 5, 2016·2 votes·2,914 views

I'm really not understanding how my explaining to a player i wasnt working well with that i wasnt going to come gank middle again is worth my getting perma banned? Unless it was my comments towards the riven who LITERALLY admited to int feeding in chat, Can i please have a rioter explain this to me?

welp we lost lee smited my red .... tfw your lanes feed, and lee gets to just invade 24/7 i cant get 6 because lee always in opur jungle that is why you get no more ganks and? were rengar lux.. we can one shot her. riven just sit under tower .. killing yourself over and over is putting you behind 35 cs and 3 lvls to be exact just afk then theyre int feeding go for it get banned 4 reports on riven right gg riven int feeding and "trolling me" just go afk please shes trolling just report her garen be a bro dont kill the feeder theyre LITERALLY feeding on purpose they said they were going to please just 9x report them riven " idc im just gonna troll because im bad" all 9 of us need to report them chat logs bud just report them theyre a cancer and need to be banned for good you do realise youre literally getting your account perma banned right now we will see hope you spent a fuck ton of money on it youre not trying you admited to trolling im not being toxic youre still inte feeding stop dying and you dont get flamed build full tank sell all items and go full tank right now or get reported see, still feeding on purpose just ff gg report pls

53 Comments

peaches771May 5, 20163 votes

Maybe i should have just muted all and continued watching them feed, but isn't that also a toxic thing to do?

Absolutely not... the mute button is there for exactly this.

WootImaNinjaMay 5, 20162 votes

Once you get in game, try to keep an open line of communication. Taken directly from the summoner's code.

MeilinIIMay 5, 20165 votes

The keyword there is 'try.' If you mute, you can still ping, and that's all that's needed.

DanteLebeauMay 5, 20163 votes

1.) Perma-bans are for habitual offenders.

2.) Stop being a dick,

3.) IF what you are typing isnt going to help your team, hold down backspace until there is nothing left, and move on.

DestínyMay 5, 20161 votes

lol

RightClickYouMay 5, 20162 votes

my main account that i spent over $5,500 on, was perma banned. i too, like you, got upset with the trolls and flamed back at them.

i lost.

i try not to say anything anymore because you won't win. try to take this attitude on and you won't have problems.

WootImaNinjaMay 5, 20161 votes

Just seems pretty shitty that every suspension or restriction I got was for "flaming" toxic or feeding players. I don't really understand how people who get upset about people who are directly breaking the rules would get punished so harshly.

BettnachlegerMay 5, 20162 votes

YOU'RE one of these toxic players you flame .....

ModPrandineMay 5, 20161 votes

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Just seems pretty shitty that every suspension or restriction I got was for "flaming" toxic or feeding players. I don't really understand how people who get upset about people who are directly breaking the rules would get punished so harshly.

That's the problem-you're retaliating negatively against them, which is exactly what they want. They know they're going down so they want to try to bring other people down with them if at all possible. Someone else acting up doesn't excuse your own poor behavior. You can defend yourself so long as it's done in a respectful (i.e. neutral or positive) manner. By not giving in to them and just muting and reporting you ensure that only they are punished rather than the both of you.

From Understanding the Tribunal:

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.

As far as the other people you're talking about, usually they've already had prior punishments before and instead of changing their behavior for the better they chose/choose to continue to troll and be a jerk instead, hence the harsher punishments.

Remember that the only person that you can control is yourself. If you've asked people acting up to stop (in a respectful manner I might add) and they still refuse to listen, then that's just their problem and not yours.

WootImaNinjaMay 5, 20161 votes

Honestly, I was with you up until that last quip. Its not just their problem, they are pushing their problem onto 9 other people by essentially wasting our times. League games in which one team has literally 0 chance at having a chance to win or comeback are not fun for anyone. You may be correct in saying that I was retaliating, in a sense, but I disagree. Unfortunately chat logs don't show everyone's chat(which is an entire other issue), if those were available, you would see that the vast majority of what I was saying was directed towards the other 9 players as a response to something they say, in effect just answering questions. There seems to be an overwhelmingly large part of the community that breeds toxicity and seems to drag people down with it, Yes i know a lot of you will say I am one of those people. The unfortunate truth behind the system in place for this game is that there are in fact some people who get dragged down who probably shouldn't. I would like to think I fall into that category, at least as of late. But the forums are probably a bad place to try to discuss this, they seem to always just be full of people on a which hunt. You were a refreshing voice of reason in a sea of pitchforks. Thanks.

ModPrandineMay 5, 20161 votes

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Honestly, I was with you up until that last quip. Its not just their problem, they are pushing their problem onto 9 other people by essentially wasting our times. League games in which one team has literally 0 chance at having a chance to win or comeback are not fun for anyone.

I agree with you on the not fun part. Games are rarely fun when they're just total stomps on one side. As for my "it's their problem, not yours" comment, what I meant was that it's not your problem that they would rather act up and be a jerk. While it is annoying to have to deal with all game, if you've made the honest effort to try to get them to calm down and behave and they won't, then they have to deal with the consequences of not listening to their teammates when asked to stop.

You may be correct in saying that I was retaliating, in a sense, but I disagree. Unfortunately chat logs don't show everyone's chat(which is an entire other issue), if those were available, you would see that the vast majority of what I was saying was directed towards the other 9 players as a response to something they say, in effect just answering questions.

I understand what you're saying, I really do. However, when judging a case the only persons behavior that matters is the person in question. Most judges are willing to excuse maybe one or two lines of defending oneself at most, but anymore than that and you're no longer just defending yourself-you've actually become part of the problem instead. Ultimately while someone else's behavior may have caused you to go off like you did, it was ultimately your decision to negatively react like you did instead of just ignoring/muting them on the spot and reporting them afterwards (easier said than done I know).

There seems to be an overwhelmingly large part of the community that breeds toxicity and seems to drag people down with it, Yes i know a lot of you will say I am one of those people. The unfortunate truth behind the system in place for this game is that there are in fact some people who get dragged down who probably shouldn't. I would like to think I fall into that category, at least as of late. But the forums are probably a bad place to try to discuss this, they seem to always just be full of people on a which hunt. You were a refreshing voice of reason in a sea of pitchforks. Thanks.

Unfortunately it sometimes takes people being permabanned from the game in order for them to truly see that it was their own poor behavior that caused them to get permabanned in the first place. From the way you've been responding here in this thread you seem to be someone who is still understandably upset that they got permabanned from the game that they enjoy playing and seems to be confused as to why it seems that others get a free pass on their bad and poor behavior while you get punished first.

Trust me when I say that there are some people on these forums who genuinely want to try to help people understand why they got punished and help them learn the tips and tricks to avoid being punished by that kind of behavior again. Unfortunately it's very rare that we come across someone that actually wants to learn to better themselves rather than just come here to rage and yell at everybody who doesn't give them the Yesman answers that they want. It is refreshing however when we come across someone who actually wants to learn and treats people the way that they want to be treated (i.e. with respect). Some examples of the more helpful people around here are the Arbiters and SmokedAlmonds.

If you have any more questions about how/why certain rules are what they are then I would highly suggest checking out Ulanopo's Knowledge Base as it is chock full of both helpful and useful information for everyone to use. Other than that I wish you the best of luck in all of your future endeavors and i also appreciate the compliment as well also.

Colgate GatorMay 5, 20162 votes

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I'm really not understanding how my explaining to a player i wasnt working well with that i wasnt going to come gank middle again is worth my getting perma banned? Unless it was my comments towards the riven who LITERALLY admited to int feeding in chat, Can i please have a rioter explain this to me?

welp we lost lee smited my red

Literally the first lines of the log, and reading the rest of it, you sound like a pain to play with.

Dominick DestineMay 5, 20161 votes

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Literally the first lines of the log, and reading the rest of it, you sound like a pain to play with.

What this guy said.

EndGamer11May 5, 20162 votes

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welp we lost lee smited my red

Not constructive to the game.

tfw your lanes feed, and lee gets to just invade 24/7

Same.

i cant get 6 because lee always in opur jungle that is why you get no more ganks and? were rengar lux.. we can one shot her. riven just sit under tower

acceptable.

.. killing yourself over and over is putting you behind 35 cs and 3 lvls to be exact just afk then theyre int feeding go for it get banned

Not constructive.

4 reports on riven right

Since the system does not punish via report weight, witch-hunting via report calling is reportable.

gg riven int feeding and "trolling me" just go afk please shes trolling just report her garen be a bro dont kill the feeder theyre LITERALLY feeding on purpose they said they were going to please just 9x report them riven " idc im just gonna troll because im bad" all 9 of us need to report them chat logs bud just report them theyre a cancer and need to be banned for good

more whining

you do realise youre literally getting your account perma banned right now

As the kids say nowadays, LUL

we will see hope you spent a fuck ton of money on it youre not trying you admited to trolling im not being toxic youre still inte feeding stop dying and you dont get flamed

mmmmmmmmooooooooorrrrreeeeee whining

build full tank sell all items and go full tank right now or get reported

blackmailing, reportable

see, still feeding on purpose just ff gg report pls

See above.

Here's what your log should have looked like:

i cant get 6 because lee always in our jungle that is why you get no more ganks and? we're rengar lux.. we can one shot her. riven just sit under tower try building some tankiness

Bam. no harassment, report calling, and other rudeness. A clean, game-strategy focused chatlog.

Guy Fox TeemoMay 5, 20161 votes

Constantly saying report Riven INT feeding and telling her to AFK is pretty toxic. But besides that they didn't ban you for just this chat log, they banned you cause you continued to do it over and over. You also had several chat restrictions and a 14-day ban before they chose to perma (Unless you made Racial/Homophobic Slurs, in pass games, which bumps it up A LOT)

WootImaNinjaMay 5, 20161 votes

Admitedly, I made mistakes in the past, which I have honestly reformed from. I hear what youre saying about calling out someone for int feeding, but I was simply responding to both my other teammates and enemy team. I would really like to know how players who choose to directly break the ToS and Summoner's Code get to dictate the chat of a game. Maybe i should have just muted all and continued watching them feed, but isn't that also a toxic thing to do? seems pretty lose-lose to me.

Happy JackMay 5, 20162 votes

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Constantly saying report Riven INT feeding and telling her to AFK is pretty toxic. But besides that they didn't ban you for just this chat log, they banned you cause you continued to do it over and over. You also had several chat restrictions and a 14-day ban before they chose to perma (Unless you made Racial/Homophobic Slurs, in pass games, which bumps it up A LOT)

Calling out an Intent Feeder and asking for 9x report the intent feeder is not toxic. It's asking for cooperation to have a troll looked at by Riot.

ModPrandineMay 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Happy Jack,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2wc4aq1I,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-05-05T06:29:00.626+0000)

Calling out an Intent Feeder and asking for 9x report the intent feeder is not toxic. It's asking for cooperation to have a troll looked at by Riot.

There's no reason to call for reports. Not only is it viewed as harassment, but usually the person trolling is already fully aware that they're trolling and views your report calling as motivation to keep on trolling rather than stop. Not only that, but if the person in question is not trolling, then it just comes across as you trying to bully and threaten your way into getting them to do what you want them to do in that game. Also, because it's viewed as harassment you now open yourself up to being valid reported as well. If you really want to alert Riot to someone then just report them after the game and then file a Support Ticket about them as well also.

Happy JackMay 5, 20161 votes

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There's no reason to call for reports. Not only is it viewed as harassment, but usually the person trolling is already fully aware that they're trolling and views your report calling as motivation to keep on trolling rather than stop. Not only that, but if the person in question is not trolling, then it just comes across as you trying to bully and threaten your way into getting them to do what you want them to do in that game. Also, because it's viewed as harassment you now open yourself up to being valid reported as well. If you really want to alert Riot to someone then just report them after the game and then file a Support Ticket about them as well also.

You assume to much.

Asking for "report the 0/12 Tyrn for intent trolling, he's afk in base now" is not harassment.

If one were to berate that 0/12 Tryn, swear at him, call him names and so on for an entire game.... that's harassment.

Organizing to merely report someone is not harassment by any stretch.

Edit: And to not expect players to get frustrated and call for reports of trolls and intent feeders is like asking the earth to be flat. A simple call to action is not harassment.

AeroWaffleMay 5, 20163 votes

The issue with your action is that it's entirely based on the context and hearsay. If they were going to report anyway, they didn't need you telling them to report. And if they weren't going to report or that they weren't convinced before you told them, you telling them to report because someone else did X is hearsay.

It's my personal rule that I'll never report someone based off of what someone else said. Nor will I ever ask someone else to report.

The system just looks at the number of games reported in, not the number of reports in a single game.

WootImaNinjaMay 5, 20161 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2177133274/205806497?tab=overview|

Here is a link to the game you're saying needs context.

AeroWaffleMay 5, 20163 votes

A 1/9/1 Riv is not proof of trolling, and that's kind of the point. A person having a shitty game can also have a similar score.

Item build seems fine, decent cs considering how poorly she was doing, and her kda didn't indicate that she was running into turret all game long.

WootImaNinjaMay 6, 20161 votes

It's too bad riot only lets us have my part of the logs. They openly admitted to into feeding before anyone called them out.

HethaleanMay 5, 20161 votes

Asking for reports is a punishable behavior according to the rules. It may not be harassment but it sure isn't in line with the Summoner's Code. Also, asking to report does nothing. 1 report is all it takes to flag the game for review. 2 reports don't do anything extra. 9 reports don't do anything extra.

kaleb bartlettMay 5, 20161 votes

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Asking for reports is a punishable behavior according to the rules. It may not be harassment but it sure isn't in line with the Summoner's Code. Also, asking to report does nothing. 1 report is all it takes to flag the game for review. 2 reports don't do anything extra. 9 reports don't do anything extra.

It actually is harassment. It's using the threat of a report to get people to do what you want them to do.

HethaleanMay 5, 20161 votes

I agree whole heartedly with you

BeatzBoyFTWMay 5, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Happy Jack,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2wc4aq1I,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-05-05T06:29:00.626+0000)

Calling out an Intent Feeder and asking for 9x report the intent feeder is not toxic. It's asking for cooperation to have a troll looked at by Riot.

Riot has already stated that having 9 people to report this one guy has the exact same value as 1 person reporting him, so technically, all you did is ask others to point more unnecessary fingers.

aj502 OneillMay 5, 20161 votes

youre literally getting your account perma banned right now we will see hope you spent a fuck ton of money on it

I laff

DestínyMay 5, 20161 votes

oh the irony..

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

Dont waste your breath. Most people here are in support of banning flamers and letting int feeders roam aroubd rampant bwcause its hard to check. And some even go as far to defend them, victim blaming lmfao, a board regular here "shield and defender of riot lyte" told me this :

I suspect if you hadn't said anything, he wouldn't have intentionally fed, as evidenced by this not being a recurring episode in his career.

His initial intent was to win. I suspect he was goaded after going 0/5.

Like in my games.

Don't bitch people out and they won't get vindictive and want to exact an imaginary revenge. It's that simple

When you're feeling defensive, hearing advice that you already know "stop feeding" doesn't sound anything but vindictive.

TrulyBlandMay 5, 20161 votes

Giving advice to victims on how to avoid situations like this in the future is neither defending the culprit, nor blaming the victim. And nobody is supporting letting intentional feeders roam around rampant either. You're just expanding the flawed "logic" you're applying to Riot.

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

A regulsr on this board told me its fair someone intentionally fed my game and didnt get punished.

People will fight tooth on nail on how the system for dealing with intentionally feeding and trolling by letting them ruin 20 games before getting a warning is good, but 3 games of calling someone bad is insta punish is a fair system.

I saw one post here where it a user was asking why he got banned, because he didnt get a reform card, and was at minus 5 and people spaming you probably deserved it.

This board is toxic as fuck

TrulyBlandMay 5, 20162 votes

I've seen that post and you are heavily ommiting context. Part of the context being you forced him to answer a black & white question on a subject that is neither black nor white. Another part of the context being the alternative being punishing people for single games, which would have a huge false positive rate.

If you are forcing people decide between punishing innocents or letting offenders go, the fair thing is to go for the second option.

Edit: Not going to deny that this board is mostly inhabited by cynics... but that's not really relevant to the argument you are making.

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

I forced him to answer black and white because he was dancing around it with crap excuses like difficulty.

And i dont believe his answr, because its a massive injustice someone can intentionally feed and ruin the game for 4 people and not get punished for it. Its a massive injustice and its caused by riot pandering to a very small minority, and he didnt want to admit that.

TrulyBlandMay 5, 20162 votes

Okay, since you don't see anything wrong with the way you asked the question, you shouldn't have a problem with answering this one:

If someone has a bad game, but is legitimately trying, and is then banned for this game, is that fair?

Edit: And don't you dare "dancing around it with crap excuses".

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

Its not.

But lets put it this way, are you going to excuse someone with malicious intentions to ruin the game for 4 people in the unlikely event somone gets accidently punished?

Again you are pandering, you are putting a small minority over the majority and giving those with malicious intentions power they shouldnt have because riot doesnt have to do anything because they have people like you who will defend them if they had a hitler day where the map was a giant swastika and preached the teachings of mein kampf

TrulyBlandMay 5, 20162 votes

But lets put it this way, are you going to excuse someone with malicious intentions to ruin the game for 4 people in the unlikely event somone gets accidently punished?

And there is this massive disconnect. You implicitely assume that it's easy to distinguish intentional feeding from non-intentional feeding. And that's why people are telling you that it's actually a difficult problem, which you conveniently seem to ignore every time somebody brings it up, by forcing them to answer completely stupid and ultimately irrelevant black or white questions.

If you can come up with a way to make the false positives an "unlikely" thing, tell Riot and I'm sure they'll implement it. But so far, you're just arguing in hypotheticals. And yes, if, hypothetically, there was a way to 100% certainly detect intentional feeding without false positives, they absolutely should get banned after a single game and not doing so would in my eyes be unfair.

But as long as it's a hypothetical scenario, and the realistic scenario is that your false positives would skyrocket if you tried to do that, it is absolutely unfair to risk those false positives just to detect the intentional feeders.

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

How hard is it to see someone run spend 20 minutes trying to walk into the other teams fountain?

Jesus christ.

ITS NOT HARD. RIOT IS LAZY AND YOU GUYS THINK THATS ACCEPTABLE

TrulyBlandMay 5, 20162 votes

Okay... cool, a human can see that. Helpful. Except Riot doesn't have enough people to watch every single replay, so that solution won't really work out. It also won't work out because the amount of intentional feeding that is this obvious, is pretty tiny, so this doesn't really work on a large scale.

It's so easy to call others lazy when you have not a single clue about how difficult it actually is to implement what you are asking for.

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

Hmmm i wonder where you could find a group of people willing to sift through replays to see if people are purposefully running into towers.

WAIT. LET THE COMMUNITY DO IT. WHAT A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA

TrulyBlandMay 5, 20162 votes

A group of people? Seriously?

How many people do you believe would be A) Necessary in order to not end up with a gigantic backlog (see: old Tribunal) and B) Willing to do that for long enough to not end up with a gigantic backlog (see: old Tribunal)

Generally, it appears your suggestion (which is essentially the old Tribunal) has, surprise surprise, the same drawbacks as the old Tribunal, which was that it was painfully slow and probably dealt with feeders in a slower fashion than the current system.

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

Oh yeah the old trobunal looked at verbal abuses logs, but a bot does all that work so the case load is going to be significantly lower.

Jesus you people will say anything to defend an unjust system

Awkward CouchMay 5, 20162 votes

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Hmmm i wonder where you could find a group of people willing to sift through replays to see if people are purposefully running into towers.

WAIT. LET THE COMMUNITY DO IT. WHAT A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA

You mean like the old tribunal that had months of backlogs? You might do it, but there are few who actually would.

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

Yeah because the old system included everything.

Considering all the logs are handled by an autobanning bot the case load is going to be significantly lower

Awkward CouchMay 5, 20162 votes

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Yeah because the old system included everything.

Considering all the logs are handled by an autobanning bot the case load is going to be significantly lower

I think you're going to still have participation issues. Not to mention, players below gold will often report for trolling when they are just having a bad game.

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

All of that is easily fixed.

You give people incentives, maybe its a key fragment for getting 4/5 cases correct you're going to have people coming to participate.

Futhermore there's already a system in place revolving around report weight to filter out false reporters.

Even more to decrease time you can have it only show a players deaths and the 30 or so seconds leading up to their death so you don't even have to watch the entirety of a game.

But like i said, you guys don't think intentional feeders is a problem which is why you are fighting back so hard. But using the things riot has already implemented and 30 seconds of basic thinking I've come up with a far superior system to what is currently in place. And guess what, if riot actually put their fucking minds to it and even devoted an entire business day to thinking of ideas they'd have an even better idea than the one i just presented.

The fact is their lazy, and it's not going to look as good on Lyte's stat sheet when the number of players getting punished goes down, because then he no longer serves a purpose at the company.

The saddest thing of all is they have people like you who blindly defend everything they do revolving around this buying into their corporate pr line.

TwigglesMay 5, 20162 votes

So let me get this straight. You want a system that punishes people INSTANTLY whenever they feed, but you also want that system to know whether or not it is INTENTIONAL feeding with 100% accuracy.

Please, I'm very interested to know. How do you expect something like that to work? How would you design such a system? You are claiming that there are more intentional feeders than bad players. I can guarantee that you are wrong about that.

So go ahead and try to take my words out of context to make me look like an asshole. Go ahead and try to make it look like I excuse int feeders. I have a long post history here that proves the opposite, as well as the full version of the post of mine that you're ahem "quoting" in which I explain why the system you seek is not a feasible one.

Posted below for interested parties.

Your question, verbatim:

If someone intentionally feeds and ruins my game and doesnt get punished is that fair?

My answer, also verbatim:

Yes. Now before you get all worked up, allow me to explain.

People are given chances to change their behavior. If they don't change, they are punished. Otherwise you risk banning people for just having a bad game and getting stomped. Riot CANNOT allow false positives, and need to take steps to protect players that simply aren't doing well.

People should be held responsible, but it isn't worth risking the innocent individuals just to catch a couple more abusers somewhat faster.

I'd rather 100 feeders each ruin 1 game than have 10,000 new players banned for playing poorly.

Sorry if you don't like that answer, but I guarantee you'd still be upset no matter what I say.

Finally, your response word for word:

Yes?

Excellent i know what im doing tonight, as long as i work on inproving its ok if i slip up once in a while.

Thank you.

Its ok to intentionally feed and ruin peoples games and not get punished. God forbid you flame someone though

You ignored literally everything I said except for the word yes. You clearly have no desire for any actual discussion. You simply want instant retribution and don't seem to care if innocent players get caught in the crossfire.

Trolls, afkers, int feeders, and verbal abusers are all unacceptable. HOWEVER. False punishments to innocent players is just as IF NOT MORE unacceptable. I have always had this core belief. My post history will confirm that. No amount of your libel will change that.

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20161 votes

I want a system That does an account audit as soon as the game is over. I dont want a system where soneone has to intentionally feed 20 games before their account get audited.

But please keep trying to twist what i say

TwigglesMay 5, 20162 votes

I twisted no part of what you said. I posted exactly what we both said, copied and pasted from the source. You didn't answer my questions though.

I answered your loaded question before. The least you can do is answer my own honest questions now.

How do you expect something like that to work? How would you design such a system?

I am the one with post history and people supporting what I say. You are the one pulling things out of context to make people who disagree with you look bad despite how logical their reasoning is.