Racism in something they promote as a sport

phil300000·Feb 17, 2017·2 votes·2,423 views

i have heard constant racial slurs in my games and i will then refuse to play because i will not be victimised even if it is only a game to which i am then reported and getting losses and bad mmr all because the game is basically forcing me to play with a racist which in no other sport would even be considered let alone condoned. this is something i would like looked into cause i refuse to play with a racist, bad language i can understand but racism is out of the question and i highly doubt there is any way the riot employees can make out like im in the wrong but im bored of losing cause i wont be forced to play with a racist. let me know ure views and thoughts see if we cant get this noticed

102 Comments

GeminiRuneFeb 17, 20178 votes

This is a game...not a sport. You can't compare what you see on a competitive level to that of one of your anonymous games. If you could, this or any other game would be sheer heaven. Back to topic though, racism is absolutely uncalled for and too much of it will produce punishment of some kind. And even still, sports - esports included - do not condone racism. So I find your point rather flawed and uncoordinated in any means other than just complaining about in game racism.

phil300000Feb 17, 20171 votes

so you start by saying its a game not a sport but finish by calling it a sport, my point was completely valid as in more people watched the finals of the e SPORT FINALS OF LEAGUE than the basketball playoffs, yet the obviously on some level do condone racism cause if you was racist to me in game i am then forced to continue playing with u or be punished for afk or leaving completly

LostFr0stFeb 17, 201712 votes

Them getting punished for racism and you getting punished for leaving are separate; both are wrong, and both are punished.

BIGSHANEJEZFeb 17, 20171 votes

So you should be forced to play with somebody who is racist ? Some people get offended very easy and can make them not want to play further . Maybe because they have been effected by racism in the past . Everybody is different and take things people say differently !

phil300000Feb 17, 20172 votes

i completely agree BIGSHANEJEZ if i leave because i was abused verbally with racial slurs why should i be punished, if i was paired with a rapist who in the past raped me and was being abusive should i stay or leave the game its the same thing maybe a bit more extreme but the point remains the same

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 17, 201710 votes

You literally have the option to MUTE the guy, and it's your fault that you chose not to do so.

phil300000Feb 17, 20171 votes

if i dont communicate with my team i am subject to a report as some people have been banned so how am i supposed to know he isnt a racist untill he is racist

GeminiRuneFeb 17, 20172 votes

Sometimes that's just not your problem. If you think the player is going to be trouble, you have the choice to go ahead and mute instead of entertain it, thus putting your own self at risk

phil300000Feb 17, 20171 votes

how can i know someone is racist untill they are racist?

GeminiRuneFeb 17, 20174 votes

Better question: Why would you want to know if someone is racist? That just sounds like you're looking for a reason to either pick a fight or get yourself or someone else in trouble

DrCyanideFeb 17, 20175 votes

Are you still using pings? Then you're still communicating with your team.

BlueThingamajigFeb 17, 20178 votes

People have literally NEVER been banned for muting a teammate.

In addition, muting a single racist person (followed by reporting them, so that Riot is alerted to the problem) is completely different from not communicating with your team. There are 3 other people you can discuss things with, 1 muted person who can still read YOUR text, and pings which the entire team can see.

Mig89Feb 17, 20176 votes

You wont mute because youll get reported for not communicated so you want to leave a game which is a reportable offense?

Kei143Feb 17, 20175 votes

well.. once you mute them, they "aren't racist anymore" and one can focus on the game.

Now you can argue that he was a racist thus one doesn't want to play with him. But let's speak the truth, alot of people may be racist deep inside them, but they have the civility to not say nor act like it.

phil300000Feb 17, 20171 votes

so your defending the one time he was racist, no i am not racist inside maybe because you are dont you dare insinuate i am how dare you, if someone is a racist to me i have no intention to continue a game with them muting them is pointless as they have already been racist

Kei143Feb 17, 20174 votes

And that is fine if you have no intention of completing the game.

Just live with the consequences after.

EndlessSorcererFeb 17, 20176 votes

You can mute the racist player and report them after the game.

Leaving the game ruins it for everybody else within, so you are punished for doing so.

LostFr0stFeb 17, 20177 votes

I fully realize that, but we do have a mute feature to prevent further damage in-game, and when we're done the game we have a report feature that handles that person swiftly once it checks the case to prevents them from affecting others.

By leaving, the OP has basically said: "you win, and btw I'll make sure I can't report you after the game; have a great day." That's morally wrong to me. I literally bite my tongue and fight through it. I've been there. It feels like crap; I don't want anyone else to go through that. I know others have seen worse, and that makes me very sad.

phil300000Feb 17, 20171 votes

i refuse to be talked to racially and just so he doesnt win morally im not a five year old if i am abused i will leave and i shouldnt be punished

LostFr0stFeb 17, 20174 votes

You think someone else wants to encounter him again and be talked to in that way?

That's not how it works. You leaving has a negative impact on the rest of the players in the game. Two negatives don't make a positive.

GeminiRuneFeb 17, 20171 votes

No. It wasn't. You expressing complaint over racism in League of Legends, which is a game, which has a competitive esports scene. You're comparing professionalism to what you come across in your games, which don't add up at all. You can't compare it like that. And no, I don't condone racism at all whatsoever but I will not expect all of the players I come across to be saints. But they will be reported if they are that far out of line. I wouldn't have commented if I didn't have anything to insight you with.

phil300000Feb 17, 20171 votes

so you are telling me that tsm isnt a professional gaming company across multiple platforms, and if u want to get down to it technically all sports are games u have a winner and a loser as in every game u just think cause there is millions in it there real sports even though they earn alot themselves

GeminiRuneFeb 17, 20174 votes

Are you TSM? No.

Are you a professional gamer? No.

Heck, are you a professional player of any kind? I can't answer that. You can.

Are the players that you play with day in and day out professionals? Probably not.

Can you expect everyone to play and behave as you want them to? No.

MY point is that you're nit picking and wanting the general game itself to be exactly like what you see in professional sports and esports (but apparently you excluded sports so why bring TSM into relevance). These are two vastly different worlds we're talking. Nobody can have it the high profile way unless they want to live in that spotlight moment. And to stay there, their attitude needs to be in check compared to where the general audience is.

phil300000Feb 17, 20171 votes

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GeminiRuneFeb 17, 20174 votes

What I'm saying is that you can't expect the world, namely the game you are playing, to act as formal as what YOU want it to be. If you want to be that self righteous type of person and shun those who don't see your opinion, then that will put you in more of a wrong than what you're setting out presently.

LostFr0stFeb 17, 20178 votes

Riot already has a zero-tolerance policy for hate speech.

IA9hRfpP5qFeb 17, 20175 votes

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Riot already has a zero-tolerance policy for hate speech.

Lucian is literally the first african-american champion and his ultimate is a drive-by.

OleandervineFeb 17, 20173 votes

I'm gay, and if I hear homophobic remarks, I warn them by saying something like "Hey, that's offensive, stop with the hate speech." If they continue, I mute them, and then I finish the game and report them.

The irony is, you say you won't be victimized, yet quitting the game because of that comment is a textbook definition of being victimized - they said offensive things, you felt like a victim, and ran away, and so the oppressor wins. By standing your ground, telling them to stop, muting them if they don't, finishing the game, and reporting them, you are NOT playing the victim and instead are showing that you are a strong individual who won't be run off by hatred.

Dominick DestineFeb 17, 20171 votes

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I'm gay

Do we really need to know what you do in your bedroom? keep that shit out of League of Legends.

League of Legends is about League of Legends.

YerroFeverFeb 17, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-02-17T15:12:28.039+0000)

Do we really need to know what you do in your bedroom? keep that shit out of League of Legends.

League of Legends is about League of Legends.

Why should one have to hide who they are? It's OK for Olean to come out to the community as gay. The community overall supports LGBT players and has shown little tolerance to homophobic slurs.

You don't hide that you disagree with what someone does in their bedroom. It's OK, you can come out as a homophobe.

Ariel the CruelFeb 19, 20175 votes

Here, let me help.

@DD:

v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is ... sexually explicit, ..., or otherwise objectionable;

"gay"

1. of, relating to, or exhibiting sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex; homosexual:

of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: . . .

"Homoexual"

noun

a person who is sexually attracted to members of the same sex

Being gay does not mean having sex. No sexually explicit comments were made. No ToS agreements were violated.

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YerroFeverFeb 19, 20173 votes

{quoted} It appears as though you have a problem with "gay" and "sexual act" however the problem is that you are inserting sexual acts into the word "gay" that aren't there

[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2017-02-19T18:25:44.471+0000) Being gay does not mean having sex. No sexually explicit comments were made. No ToS agreements were violated.

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I find this hilarious that the same arguments are made but are just obstinately opposed solely because it is made by me vs made by someone else.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20171 votes

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I find this hilarious that the same arguments are made but are just obstinately opposed solely because it is made by me vs made by someone else.

Or, and get ready for this; You are blatantly wrong and Ariel the Cruel is an intelligent man, his arguments were far superior to yours.

YerroFeverFeb 19, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=000200000000000100010000,timestamp=2017-02-19T19:57:34.056+0000)

Or, and get ready for this; You are blatantly wrong and Ariel the Cruel is an intelligent man, his arguments were far superior to yours.

I was stating that you were putting in "sexual acts" into the word "gay" under your own definition which is why you believe there is a TOS violation and you would report it

His argument that "gay" does not include sexual acts and so there is no TOS violation

You just don't like that I directly called you out while he just showed you that your understanding of the word "gay" was incorrect because the actual definition did not have sexual acts.

You are actually wrong but you don't want to admit it.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20171 votes

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I was stating that you were putting in "sexual acts" into the word

"Sex life" =/= "Sex acts"

However, talking about how you prefer to engage in sexual intercourse with men could be considered giving details of your sex life which would fall within the purview of "sex acts" but whatever, I never said that in my core argument anyway.

The only time I mentioned "Sex act" was when you tried to pull a strawman argument and I specifically reframed it in the hardest way possible.

YerroFeverFeb 19, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=00020000000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-19T21:01:46.959+0000)

"Sex life" =/= "Sex acts"

However, talking about how you prefer to engage in sexual intercourse with men could be considered giving details of your sex life which would fall within the purview of "sex acts" but whatever, I never said that in my core argument anyway.

The only time I mentioned "Sex act" was when you tried to pull a strawman argument and I specifically reframed it in the hardest way possible.

Demonstrably false statement

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-18T01:23:40.753+0000)

What's the proper place to discuss your sex life? how about NOT during League of Legends?

I don't care about your sex life and I will mute/report you if you talk about during a match.... and that IS punishable by Riot's own terms. That is to say I'm pretty damn sure talking about your personal sexual acts during the game counts as offensive/harrassment/unsportsmanlike conduct.

Keep that out of the game.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20171 votes

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Demonstrably false statement

Apparently I said it twice rather than once, fair enough.

That does not contradict my core argument and therefore is irrelevant. The point being, details about your sex life do not belong on League of Legends, whether game or forum.

YerroFeverFeb 19, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=0002000000000001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-19T22:46:43.445+0000)

Apparently I said it twice rather than once, fair enough.

That does not contradict my core argument and therefore is irrelevant. The point being, details about your sex life do not belong on League of Legends, whether game or forum.

So to propose another hypothetical question to test what your core argument truly is because I feel like there is a discontinuity.

What would you tell someone who said "I'm straight, but if I hear homophobic remarks, I warn them by saying something like "Hey, that's offensive, stop with the hate speech." If they continue, I mute them, and then I finish the game and report them" ?

Would you be upset with said person?

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20171 votes

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So to propose another hypothetical question

Not interested.

Address the core argument and then I will play your little game of hypotheticals. Do you believe homosexuality in real life is something that pertains to League of Legends ? if so, how do you reconcile these concepts and more importantly, is it justified to talk about one's personal sex life in League of Legends?

YerroFeverFeb 19, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=000200000000000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-19T22:56:15.546+0000)

Not interested.

Address the core argument and then I will play your little game of hypotheticals. Do you believe homosexuality in real life is something that pertains to League of Legends ? if so, how do you reconcile these concepts and more importantly, is it justified to talk about one's personal sex life in League of Legends?

Yes homosexuality does relate to league of legends in game directly and also on the forums because people use homophobic slurs in game to harass people.

If no one ever called someone a derogatory term for homosexual, then it wouldn't necessarily be the most relevant in league of legends however on a community level, it would still be relevant to consider because it happens outside of league of legends and that behavior can be carried into league of legends in chat and thus something that must be addressed.

To say that one's sexuality is not actually relevant to this game is to say that someone's race, religion, gender, etc... is also not relevant to ever discuss in a player behavior setting.

So, now stand by your words. Play the hypothetical game. Would you be upset with someone on the forums if they said "I'm straight but if I hear homophobic remarks, I warn them by saying something like "Hey, that's offensive, stop with the hate speech." If they continue, I mute them, and then I finish the game and report them" ?

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20171 votes

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Yes homosexuality does relate to league of legends in game directly

LOL.

You lose.

report them?

You are free to report anyone you consider to be in violation of the summoner code.... I would report you for bringing up details of your sex life in game and I strongly suspect Riot would enforce.

YerroFeverFeb 19, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=00020000000000010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-19T23:37:31.179+0000)

LOL.

You lose.

So not only are you now a liar in that you don't follow through with your promises, you actually offer no counter arguments. You only state "LOL you lose." as your argument, which is the same pattern of arguing you have done in this thread and other threads. You state that the other person is wrong with no substance and just claim you win. All you do is present conclusory statements with no analysis, no facts, and no support. You base none of your statements in policy because you can't articulate why Riot policies support your statements, just conclusory statements like "I strongly suspect Riot would enforce" however, that's just it. You only strongly suspect. That's not actually supporting your argument.

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=00020000000000010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-19T23:37:31.179+0000)

You are free to report anyone you consider to be in violation of the summoner code.... I would report you for bringing up details of your sex life in game and I strongly suspect Riot would enforce.

If you are so sure, you can create a thread with this and ask for red support. Ask them if someone stated "I'm gay" or "I'm straight" whether or not this would be a reportable offense that would warrant punishment.

What's wonderfully ironic is that you keep calling everything red herrings in order to never answer a single question or address a single issue and you just dance around claiming things are red herrings or claiming things are strawmen but they are relevant but you don't want to go there because you know the outcome so to avoid the inevitable conclusion, you stall.

YerroFeverFeb 19, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=00020000000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-19T21:01:46.959+0000) when you tried to pull a strawman argument and I specifically reframed it in the hardest way possible.

Additionally, please define what you mean by strawman argument because your definition and my definition are clearly different.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20171 votes

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Additionally, please define what you mean by strawman argument because your definition and my definition are clearly different.

There is only one definition; To address an unrelated or fictitious argument rather than the core argument in order to bolster your own position in the eyes of a third party observer thereby "winning" the argument that never existed.

YerroFeverFeb 19, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=0002000000000001000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-02-19T22:08:59.461+0000)

There is only one definition; To address an unrelated or fictitious argument rather than the core argument in order to bolster your own position in the eyes of a third party observer thereby "winning" the argument that never existed.

For example,

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-18T01:31:36.192+0000)

"Would you report someone for saying "I got my girlfriend a valentines day skin for valentines day"

If the gift was a sexual act, yes, yes I would.

There is a big difference between "I gave my girlfriend some flowers" to..... well, something something something something [that I can't say here].

Someone fictitiously referred to an unrelated statement in a hypothetical situation posed rather than actually addressing the core argument. Someone created this fictitious argument that a valentines day skin was replaced with "something something something something [that I can't say here]" and avoided the core argument of:

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What is the proper place to discuss it? Why must he "keep that shit out of League of Legends" ?

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What is so offensive, harassing, or unsportsmanlike about the sentence "I'm gay" ?

And if we look back at the chat history, this means you created the strawman argument. I never created your position and attacked it to appear as though I was winning. I was posing a hypothetical question to you so that I had a clearer understanding of what your position was. You started attacking a false narrative you created.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20171 votes

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Someone fictitiously referred to an unrelated statement

In this case; You.

in a hypothetical situation posed rather than actually addressing the core argument.

Once again, in this case; You.

this means you created the strawman argument

Nope, my core argument remains. You pulled a strawman argument and are now attempting to pull a red herring.

Everything EXCEPT address the core argument.

YerroFeverFeb 19, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=000200000000000100010000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-19T22:51:23.956+0000)

In this case; You.

Once again, in this case; You.

Nope, my core argument remains. You pulled a strawman argument and are now attempting to pull a red herring.

Everything EXCEPT address the core argument.

Proposing a hypothetical situation actually isn't a strawman argument because I am soliciting you for a response. I am not attacking the hypothetical situation.

I don't think you truly understand the definition you cite.

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=000200000000000100010000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-19T22:51:23.956+0000)

In this case; You.

Once again, in this case; You.

Nope, my core argument remains. You pulled a strawman argument and are now attempting to pull a red herring.

Everything EXCEPT address the core argument.

Also, please do a breakdown on what I have said that can be considered a strawman argument and also demonstrate why anything I have said is a red herring. Just because someone calls a peanut a nut, does not actually make it a nut.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20171 votes

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Proposing a hypothetical situation

It is if it's completely unrelated to the core argument, which it is.

At best, it's a red herring... and that's only if we give you a massive amount of credit for no reason.

please do a breakdown on what I have said that can be considered a strawman

I have said it about 7 times ish? tell me how many times I must do it before you admit what you've done.

Ariel the CruelFeb 19, 20172 votes

I'm just used to dealing with DD. It's not that hard once you figure out this one easy trick.

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Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2iEONJ8Y,comment-id=000200000000000100010001,timestamp=2017-02-19T21:28:12.840+0000)

I'm just used to dealing with DD, It's not that hard

I would SO turn the above quoted into innuendo... and you know I would, but that would undermine my entire argument against this 'very intelligent' person I am against within this thread.

ARRRGGHHH it's killing me on the inside not to be able to make that joke because it's so obvious, BUT OKAY, I WILL REFRAIN.