Player Reporting Clarification
Apologies if this is posted in the wrong section. I couldn't decide whether this belonged under Player Behaviour, Miscellaneous, or General Discussion.
Disclaimer aside, the heart of the matter is the following situation:
- Summoner A does something Summoner B doesn't like, but isn't reportable.
- Summoner B threatens to report Summoner A
As a note, I play in Bronze/Bottom of Silver. I'm currently Bronze III, but climbed from Bronze V to Silver V earlier this season. It may be that I run into this situation a lot because of my particular ladder ranking.
The following is from my experience and is not to be taken as definitive.
I have found that this situation arises in 3 scenarios. I) Summoner B honestly doesn't realize that what Summoner A did isn't an offense that can be reported. (For example, having a negative KDA. Many people don't seem to realize that only INTENTIONAL feeding is reportable.) Likelihood rises if player demonstrates that they think the offense is reportable or accept that it isn't when explained to them. False reports here are mainly due to ignorance which is somewhat understandable.
II) Summoner B DOES realize that what Summoner A did isn't a reportable offense and is most likely just annoyed. These summoners aren't likely to falsely report the player afterwards and are just venting. Likelihood rises if they only tell them once and/or don't argue about whether the offense is reportable or call for them to be reported again. No false reports here, player is just being unnecessarily aggressive.
III) Summoner B DOES realize that what Summoner A did isn't a reportable offense and is directly vindictive. These summoners are those that purposefully false report either because they are annoyed with the player in particular or are using the player as a scapegoat for their frustration with something else. False reports that happen here are done purposefully and with full knowledge of the reporter.
I wish to pose the following questions to the community and Riot.
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What is League's tolerance for behavior non conforming with the Spirit of the Game? From my understanding, Riot is quite strict about this sort of thing. But I have never seen it come to fruition in any meaningful time frame and there are still many openly offensive, aggressive players on or against my team. Some of them even flaunt the fact they haven't been banned yet as if it were a badge of pride. Without hard evidence, I would hazard an estimate that 25 - 45% of my games contain at least 1 person who fits this characterization. That means that A, either Riot is being very strict and these players receive bans but I am never notified of whether they are so that means it must happen far too long down the line or that Riot is not very strict.
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If you know another player is false reporting someone, what should you report that player under? Is it under Verbal Abuse or Negative Attitude? This is specifically for when you know situation I or III is occurring.
The following scenario demonstrates why I made this post and contains the entire post game lobby chat from a game that I recently played. The relevant parties have had their names changed to Summoner A (the player being "reported") and Summoner B (the player potentially "false reporting"). Summoner C is a third party and probably is not reporting anybody but is relevant to the exchange.
... And yes, if it's not already blindingly obvious, I am Summoner A. I was playing ADC. Summoner B was Jungle. Summoner C was Top on the opposing team.
Summoner C: EZ ******* Summoner C: GET REKT x Broseidon x left the lobby Summoner C: GIT REKT KAT CosmicNight left the lobby Summoner C: trash talking me Summoner B: i love reporting the losers CaptainBD left the lobby Summoner C: nah Summoner C: im just talking **** to kat Summoner C: cuz h=she bullying me ;-; Par0xysM left the lobby Summoner C: :P Summoner C: honor Summoner B: youre the bully Summoner C: how come? Summoner C: she took my kat Summoner C: twice in a row Summoner C: ;-; Mzmz left the lobby QXNNABI left the lobby Summoner C: she called me trash Summoner C: and said i wasnt worth her time Summoner C: and she doesnt talk to losers Summoner C: hows that not harassment? Summoner A: Why are you complaining about me? I did the most damage on the team. Summoner C: not you Summoner C: kat Summoner A: I meant the Riven. Summoner A: Wanted to report me. Summoner C: why? Summoner A: So did the Kat. Summoner C: ok Summoner C: i get that Summoner A: Because I made a play they didn't agree with. Summoner C: but why riven? Summoner C: oh Summoner C: thats not how reporting works Summoner A: That's what I said. >.< Summoner C: >.> Summoner C: people these days Summoner C: and riven helped kat take my kat Summoner C: ;-; Summoner A: I'm conflicted right now. Summoner C: between? Summoner A: I don't know whether Riven or Kat actually reported me. RiCEMAN06 left the lobby Summoner C: oh Summoner C: report them for harassment if they did Summoner A: So I don't know whether to report them for abusing the report system. Summoner C: hmm Summoner C: say they might have reported you Summoner C: and that they threatened to Summoner C: under harassment Summoner C: threatening to report Summoner C: if you dont do what they want Summoner C: i think thats harassment Summoner A: It was only once. Summoner B: do what you want kiddo Summoner B: it will go under review (Editor's note. Since when was that actually guaranteed?) Summoner A: So normally I would just let it slide but I'm not sure whether they were serious. Summoner C: ye same Summoner A: I don't want to report you if you didn't report me though. Summoner B: you can talk all passive aggressive all you want - which is also reportable and bannable Summoner B: so keep it up Summoner C: hes not doing anything reportable Summoner B: thing is he is Summoner C: hes just trying to decide Summoner A: I'm not even being passive aggressive. Summoner C: whether you were harasing him or not Summoner C: and whether to report you Summoner B: like I said go for it Summoner C: if riot thinks its an invalid report Summoner C: then they will disregard it Summoner B: I havent been baned yet Summoner C: but riven Summoner B: so go ahead Kazoo Summoner C: there is a first everytime Summoner B: might be Summoner A: Yeah, but I don't want to report them if hey didn't, because then I'm just being a jerk. Summoner C: who know Summoner C: s Summoner C: true Summoner B: shrug yup who knows right Summoner C: riven Summoner C: did you report him? Summoner B: guess he will have to wait and see if he is banned Summoner A: You should know, you were the one who might or might not have reported me. Summoner B: if not then either he wasnt or it was unfounded Summoner C: mabey kat too Summoner A: I hate Shroedinger situations. Summoner C: mhmm Summoner C: why wont you tell Summoner C: whether you reported him or not? Summoner B: i hate pretentious ***** Summoner A: Cause he's just being difficult. Summoner B: but thats just me Summoner A: Which is fine. Summoner C: calling him a pretentious **** Summoner C: is not nice Summoner B: i didnt call anyone anything Summoner A: Okay, I take offense at that. -.- Summoner C: it might just be considered harassment Summoner B: I stated a fact Summoner A: You just did. Summoner B: I hate pretentious ***** Summoner B: is not calling anyone anything actualkly Summoner A: Excuse while I copy this. Summoner B: I hate peanut butter Summoner C: and we are pretentious *****? Summoner B: did I just call you peanut butter then? Summoner C: yes Summoner A: You just said it in response to why you were not saying whether you reported me or not. Summoner A: How else are we supposed to interpret that? Summoner C: wanting to know whether they were reported or not Summoner A: Or, rather, I... I guess. Summoner C: does not make someone a pretentious **** Summoner B: now I did report you Summoner C: for? Summoner B: passive aggressive chat Summoner B: maybe its founded, maybe not Summoner C: we havent said anything negative Summoner C: youve been calling us pretentious ***** Summoner C: not really Summoner C: all weve asked was whether you reported or not Summoner B: but w/e you want to accuse mne of Summoner B: and I have now Summoner B: not sure how it is any of your business though Summoner B: left the lobby Summoner C: i dont like it Summoner C: oh she left Summoner A: Shrug. Summoner C: lol Summoner A: Meh.
Thoughts?
PS: I've found the amount of "toxic" players, (And by that I mean players that are intentionally feeding and/or actively verbally abusing and harassing their teammates), has increased dramatically in the past couple of years. Not sure if it is a trend, or just variance. Its not relevant to this discussion, but it might be relevant to whether the league community as a whole is improving or degrading. Either way, it's not relevant to this discussion.