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@riot We need a way to punish players for pre-game lobby behvaior

Strilter··29 votes·2,026 views

Reasoning. I'm kinda tired of getting punished via your 5-10-15 minute que dodge timer, when they are due to one of three situations.

  1. Teammate using racial slurs, insulting other players, talking smack, complaining, saying first time X, Y, Z with obvious intent just to annoy people; in the pregame lobby either as a joke, insult, or otherwise. I don't want to play with those people, noone on my team wants to play with those people, but I get penalized for refusing to play with them while they go right into their next que.

2.Player didn't get X champ, so they instalock some garbage then refuse to dodge, so you either sit there for 15-20 minutes (because you know they aren't going to vote yes to early surrender) or you dodge the game yet again getting penalized for someone elses behavior whilst they go on to another que, to spread their toxic attitude, and piss off more players.

  1. Player had their hovered champ banned away either on accident, or because their teammate didn't want to deal with it, or there is little to no chance that last pick mid laner is getting the flavor of the week, ect, ect, ect. So they get mad and again lock in something dumb and refuse to dodge. Meaning once again for myself and for my team I take the 5, 10, 15 minute que dodge even though I have done nothing.

Solution: Should be simple enough to track what is banned by who, get a manuscript of the pre-game lobby chat, and most of all, when someone dodges, let there be a prompt with several premade options, and a text field much in the same way you handle post-game reports. I don't know how hard that would be to integrate into your current client, but honestly it's a copy paste of the report system just in a different spot, and some changed text.

I expect flames from people. I expect to be ignored. But hey I burned through my 5 minute timer.

43 Comments

SadKill5 votes

There does need to be a way to report more than in post-game lobby. Pre-game lobby chat is recorded and can be reported on but only in the post-game lobby.

Modi5 votes
  1. It is punishable and is already handled: report at the end of the game, the same as if it were something that happened in game.
  2. Instalocking and picking something off meta is not inherently punishable. Doing so for the purpose of trolling, is, but it is much harder to prove.
  3. Part 1: Someone refusing to dodge is not punishable. Part 2: Them locking something off meta is not inherently punishable (see #2).

Allowing people to dodge would make matters even worse.

Falkentyne3 votes

They're working on that. The IFS doesn't work on pregame and postgame here yet (been tested on OCE).

zoliking1 votes

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They're working on that. The IFS doesn't work on pregame and postgame here yet (been tested on OCE).

That doesn't sound very comforting. If they implement the same system for dodged games as they have for completed games that would just add to the nightmare. That system only cares about text, not game actions. In the present situation if some low life decides to troll pick sometimes its possible to get them to dodge by being intentionally verbally abusive to them and if they don't dodge you still can. This would just be another way Riot supports the pick trolling community by taking that option away.

Narabug3 votes

{quoted} Player had their hovered champ banned away either on accident, or because their teammate didn't want to deal with it

While I agree with the need to be able to report in champ select, in this specific example, I would report the person who bans out a teammate's pick. Going back to your logic, if that person doesn't want their teammate to pick that champ, or they "didn't want to deal with it," then they can just dodge.

1Maza2 votes

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While I agree with the need to be able to report in champ select, in this specific example, I would report the person who bans out a teammate's pick. Going back to your logic, if that person doesn't want their teammate to pick that champ, or they "didn't want to deal with it," then they can just dodge.

If you're hovering a broken champ and you're 5th pick, I'm banning that shit. Sorry, but you probably weren't getting it anyway.

Narabug1 votes

Yeah I agree with this. In the context of the OP, however, I read it as though the single driving factor in your ban is the prevent your teammate from playing a champion. For example, a teammate hovers Nunu and you ban him because you don't want your team member to play Nunu. Again, if you don't want to play with a Nunu, you can dodge yourself, not try to make the other person dodge.

Strilter1 votes

No in that instance I would completely understand the specific instance that triggered me was our FP mid lane hovering Zed when he was Flavor of the month. Our last pick banned zed because he didn't want our mid lane to play it even though our mid lane was first picking. That is the behavior I am referring to.

Jinx Hunter3 votes

How about you grow up and stop whining because someone hurt your Fee fees. Seriously, WTF does everyone want to cry and whiny like a little kid on the in the school yard just because another kid called them a name. Just grow up. Policing speech and further more the internet is retarded especially when its easy to ignore and move on, only children (SJWs) whine and cry like your doing. Grow some damn hair and stop crying about dumb shit when there are more important things to complain about. Like game balance. [sg-ahri-3]

Strilter1 votes

fee fees? Sory There is an obvious flaw with the way the people in this community treat one another and I feel that it is more important to attempt to do something to correct it for all the people that actually want a non-toxic environment, than simply "getting over it." Your predisposed notion that this is only about me is entirely misplaced.

Blood and Blades3 votes

I totally agree with everything you said, and I definitely understand.

My own personal remedy for this would be to give SPORTSMANLIKE players perhaps 5-10 dodge wavers for this exact reason.

Hell, if I had 3 dodge timer wavers, I'd be happy!

ONLY for SPORTSMANLIKE players, though. If you are unsportsmanlike, you don't get any chance to dodge...ever (or perhaps after 1 or 2 warnings).

What do you think about this?

Strilter2 votes

I think simply having waivers wouldn't be enough. It would ultimately be abused in one form or another. No the solution is to fix the root problem which is the fact people can just continue getting away with this garbage with next to 0 penalties for it, while the non-toxic players become toxic from the saturation of toxic players in the community, or move to other games.

Odinko2 votes

I feel you... just posted a rant because of trollers...the last game was awful! Something needs to happen, this isn't going nowhere!

Strilter1 votes

I mean if it was one every 50 games or so ... 1 every 3 ... something needs to give. ^^ I will say I have started reporting many more people instead of turning a cold shoulder and just moving on.

Icy Hot Shoto2 votes

As another has said; post and pre-game chat is already looked at. Just mention in the comment box that it happened in the pre/post-game chat.

If it's pre-game, and you're worried about a dodge, just screenshot what you can that's toxic so if someone does dodge you can still report them via the support center. They'll move it on to the player behavior team.

Strilter1 votes

That still requires 9 people's game to be ruined before any action is taken.

Icy Hot Shoto1 votes

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That still requires 9 people's game to be ruined before any action is taken.

Again, take SCREENSHOTS of the pre-game lobby of anything said that's toxic. You can send it in via the support center, and they will move it on to the player behavior team. This way if you, or anyone else, dodges it can be reported.

Please, do read everything said and not focus on one little thing because it deals with going through with the game.

Bonnìe2 votes

PLease i need this, i just sent in a support ticket but I really need this. I got into a lobby with 4 people repeatedly saying to kill "n-words" and kept saying "we all know you should kill n words, what are u an n word lover"? i screenshot it and sent it in and its ridiculous id have to sit through a game with toxic people to report them and maybe theyll get punished, maybe not.

e46 Fanatic1 votes

Hopefully we'll see it sooner than later, in the meantime you need to just stop dodging lobbies lol, your Q penalties were well earned and no one's fault but your own.

Strilter8 votes

how is dodging a troll deserved? I'm suppsed to sit through 15-20 minutes of bull shit instead? that makes 0 sense.

e46 Fanatic2 votes

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how is dodging a troll deserved? I'm suppsed to sit through 15-20 minutes of bull shit instead? that makes 0 sense.

Don't put words in my mouth... I said your penalties were earned. I didn't mean that anyone at all deserves to go through with trolls in the lobby, but just like me, many others suck it up, we don't dodge and basically have no idea what a damn Q penalty is.

So suck it up, no need to cry.

Strilter8 votes

lol sorry, I value my time and the time of my teammates more than you. and I didn't put words in your mouth. I replied to your intended implied meaning.

e46 Fanatic2 votes

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and I didn't put words in your mouth. I replied to your intended implied meaning.

You're confused lol. That or you're trying way too hard to get technical... Either way you're just confused lol

Heckin Support4 votes

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You're confused lol. That or you're trying way too hard to get technical... Either way you're just confused lol

I think you're the one confused. All he's stating is that it's unfair to get punished because you don't want to play with a toxic, raging, annoying player. Why should the ones being held captive in champion select be the ones punished, and not the person holding them captive?

e46 Fanatic2 votes

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I think you're the one confused. All he's stating is that it's unfair to get punished because you don't want to play with a toxic, raging, annoying player. Why should the ones being held captive in champion select be the ones punished, and not the person holding them captive?

I think it's hilarious all these downvotes im getting from the people who dodge and have time restrictions! haha xd

o brigid o4 votes

You're missing the point.

No one should have to choose between incurring a queue penalty or living with a player so toxic it was obvious before the game even started.

The fact that you don't dodge when you know you have a troll or incredibly toxic player in lobby is fine. That's totally your choice. Please feel free to pat yourself on the back for it. But it is a choice. Not everyone thinks playing with trolls is the lesser of two evils, and the point being made is that Riot would do well to work on a solution so players don't have to decide which is less agreeable: playing with toxic teammates or queue debuffs.

I'm also confused why you seem so confrontational and combative over the issue. It seems like in your first comment, at least, you somewhat agreed with the issue... but things quickly deteriorated.

Anyway, I hope this clears up some things.

Kemptonking2 votes

I logged in just to down vote this.

Don't be like this. He has a good point. Riot need to do more work with helping punish the 5% of players that make this game less fun for the 95%.

RuFiot1 votes

Player had their hovered champ banned away either on accident, or because their teammate didn't want to deal with it, or there is little to no chance that last pick mid laner is getting the flavor of the week, ect, ect, ect. So they get mad and again lock in something dumb and refuse to dodge. Meaning once again for myself and for my team I take the 5, 10, 15 minute que dodge even though I have done nothing.

**TRIGGERED ** [sg-shisa]

You the type of players who bans my Vayne mid with your premade team, You can check for op gg states, you can ask your friends to first pick his champ for him, but no, "who cares", "fk him", "we don't need him we 4 can carry it we have a good team comp" right?

In my opinion those people deserves the trolling they get, I will personally advice people to just take yasuo and hard shutdown the one who banned them (yasuo excels in farming and good with leaving all-ins safely, so you get 0 farm 0 kills and jebaited a lot = bad time )

luckily that thing never happens to me anymore, some players just appreciate Vayne mid, some just feeling ok to take weird picks that always wanted to try (usually dog sht and they just getting carried), happy ever after..

Strilter1 votes

Yep I guess I'm that type especially when the other team just stacks armor because there is no ap mage mid which is the most efficient lane for them because their primary early game power spikes come from levels and higher ratios from said levels, where as an adc is less dependant on that and requires protection early before they can scale up to end game. Filling out the team composition correctly would require some other form of ap damage. There is always a chance the other team is just retarded and doesn't just completely shut down your lane or completely counter your comp with hard cc.

RuFiot1 votes

Teammate using racial slurs, insulting other players, talking smack, complaining, saying first time X, Y, Z with obvious intent just to annoy people; in the pregame lobby either as a joke, insult, or otherwise. ... I don't want to play with those people, noone on my team wants to play with those people ...

Talking smack is not even reportable offence, it's considered friendly banter.

Some people have different kind of humor than yours, that soft alienation and judgment is actually disgusting.

Nobody wants to play with first timers, but we all accept that it's ok, some games we have more weak players on our team, the game tries to balance it out anyways. Some games it happens to me and some games it happens to you, deciding that you are not going to share the load because "why to? and fk others" corresponds really well with the rest of your behavior of banning your teammates champions.

Strilter1 votes

talking smack ~ verbal abuse, harassment, negative attitude... it is completely reportable.

Ekitaih1 votes

I understand the frustration, but I feel your logic is flawed. Rather than playing the game that could last 15-20 minutes, as you stated, you'd rather take the penalty of 5, 15, and 30 minute timers as well as the possibility of a low priority queue. Unfortunately you can't really help when you get locked in with a troll. But you can mute and report after the game. If you don't want to give your team a chance, then your penalty is deserved because you decided to judge prior to entering the game.

woodvsmurph1 votes

You forgot the really graphic talk about what they are going to do/did to your mom, your sister, or some other woman. That one is REAL fun (read with max sarcasm) to listen to.

And the one where their friend(s) and said player decide to ban your top 3 picks you indicated you wanted to play because you got the role player x wanted and refused to swap roles with them. Best part with this is when after the first champ you want is banned by them for no reason, you pick champs you WANT banned instead of indicating a new champ you want to play. Outplayed jerk.

Strilter1 votes

I mean personally, I have a rather large champion pool so I can't honestly speak to that problem.

woodvsmurph1 votes

You are missing the entire point. Like, if you got adc and really want to play caitlyn, she's not anywhere close to op right now; but they'd ban her just to spite you. So then you pick jinx, they ban that. So you pick trist, they ban that too. Just because they or their friend wanted adc role and you wouldn't trade and be some other role. That's not ok; people should be getting warning/punishment for that kind of mentality.

Alpha God Yiizus1 votes

Maybe learn to carry the trolls? It's easy you've been playing for 5 years you should be able to do it by now bruh.

Strilter1 votes

I feel like socialism runs rampant enough in our society as it is... should that really apply to online games too? Could I carry them? Probably. Do I want to? No.

Ellis Dee1 votes

we need a way to punish players in their homes when the computer isn't even on in my opinion. this company is way to lax.

Strilter1 votes

What is this 1984? Mr. Orwell

Bloodfish1 votes

Who you think you are to decide what other player should or should not play? Who you are to mark champions as garbage? What is garbage for you is not for another player. And who you are to ban champion your teammate wants to play, no matter how op that champ is and no matter if you will have to go throigh 5 picks and enemy team may pick it. It all does not matter - you have to be ready to deal with op champ on enemy side, rather teammate that will ho upsett because you banned his champ and try to make uou suffer on uou side. Grow up !

Strilter1 votes

I guess the fact that only about 30 champions ever see professional play has no bearing on the fact that some of them are far better picks, and more efficient picks for certain roles than others. Throw in the fact that of those champions almost all of them are spammed in ranked and have rather consistent win rates even through patch cycles, and I have all the evidence I need to not only decide that a champ would be better for X role but to prove it...

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