The Supports that only wanna blow stuff up

StryketheDemon·Nov 17, 2016·4 votes·910 views

So why is it that every other game I play, when I go bot being the AD Carry, I get unlucky enough to have a support that wants to be a damage dealer that's typically a mid champion? (ex: Brand in a previous game) Then out of the blue wanna blame me when I'm 0/1/2 for feeding and yet he hasn't let me get credit for many of the kills? Can we fix this or are people just that dumb to not select mid and wait in the lobby for a match like the rest of us that want a good game?

16 Comments

Kitty Cat ToshaNov 17, 20166 votes

Death is the best CC though.

When playing with strangers, I prefer playing Vel'Koz support. If the ADC sucks, I want to be able to deal damage to make up for it.

And come on, "getting credit for many of the kills"? I may be biased as a support main, but getting kills in botlane is always a team effort. And if you are 0/1/2 there either have not yet been "many kills" or you were not there in the first place anyway. Why should you get the credit and not your support? Is this about stroking your ego?

ManwalrusNov 17, 20161 votes

Take it from a formerly platinum one, now platinum two support main, don't play mid laners with sightstone, it's really not good and super antifun for anyone that you play with or against (especially against). If you really want to climb as a support the first thing you need to do is realize that lane doesn't mean shit, you need to have an impact on the game not just the lane. The reason that the ADC should get the kills is because ultimately they'll just do more with the gold than you, being 0/1/2 is more of a sign that a Brand stole your kill and then left you to die because he has no way of helping you in his kit than you stroking your own ego. No matter how well you do in lane on Vel'koz support, Alistar can kill you with one flash Q if his team follows up. Tank supports are infinitely more useful for winning the game than mid laners with sightstone because while death may be the best form of CC, CC causes death, especially when the person getting stunned is a squishy ranged support without the utility to be useful to the team.

Miror BNov 17, 20161 votes

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Take it from a formerly platinum one, now platinum two support main, don't play mid laners with sightstone, it's really not good and super antifun for anyone that you play with or against (especially against). If you really want to climb as a support the first thing you need to do is realize that lane doesn't mean shit, you need to have an impact on the game not just the lane. The reason that the ADC should get the kills is because ultimately they'll just do more with the gold than you, being 0/1/2 is more of a sign that a Brand stole your kill than you stroking your own ego. Play for the team and don't play selfishly, please.

Theoretically though, can't you go from the latter to the former though? Don't get me wrong, I know that in like 90% of the cases people won't or don't know how to transition lanes (especially in my ELO where I have to report my team in like 80% of my games and the concept of a tank thoroughly baffles people unless you're referring to things like tank yasuo or tank ekko), but what if you can? I remember there were a few games pre-assassin rework where I went through a "support phase" where I didn't trust any ADC's (mostly because they'd either pick stupid stuff like teemo and/or go 0-16-0 and immediately blame me for it) and chose to take more "off-meta" stuff like lb/ekko with ignite in the sole goal to get myself fed (I'd still get sightstone/ward, and wouldn't take any cs, so don't worry, I'm not one of "those" supports). When it worked, I'd try to transition my own personal lead into other lanes which tended to benefit my teams far greater not only because the gold was on a more skilled player, but it also didn't "hurt" the adc as he'd still have all the cs gold.

In plat, there might be a higher skillcap for the overall playerbase. Down here though, you're lucky to have more than 1 other person on your team who doesn't commit multiple reportable offenses each game.

ManwalrusNov 18, 20161 votes

Trust me, I know the bronze/silver struggle, in season 5 I went from Bronze 5 to Gold 5 one tricking leona. The reasoning behind it was that leona can win lane in low elo in any matchup if you know your stuff, so it didn't matter if my ADC couldn't position of kite because I spoonfed him kills until he was so fed that he could just mow people down before they get to him. The fact of the matter is I suck at every other role, I play braindead tank supports because I have good game knowledge/timing/roaming but shit mechanics, which allows me to focus on my strengths and downplay my weaknesses and that was enough to get me close to Diamond, my normal MMR when I don't play support (because I like to actually have fun in norms) is apparently around mid-silver, you don't need to be that good at the game to abuse tanks for elo, basically. If you want you can add me and I can show you a thing or two about how to get out of silver. Platinum is just like Bronze but with better players, people have massive egos and they still rage at you, believe me.

Morality CoachNov 18, 20161 votes

I can carry out of Silver with Leona too, I just think it is way way harder than doing it with Brand.

I gave up on Support and switched to top just got placed Gold 1 Flex queue playing singed.

I can't support anymore lol, drives me nuts when you do it right and everyone screws up. Even happens in Gold / Plat.

ManwalrusNov 19, 20161 votes

It is indeed harder, but I'm finding it more rewarding in the long run so far.

Kitty Cat ToshaNov 17, 20161 votes

I would never pick velkoz into an alistar though. Yes, it depends on teamcomp, and the higher I climb, the more important that becomes. However, when I was starting ranked in bronze, Velkoz support served me very well.

I ended in gold1, and would pick Vel sup less and less in favor of Taric and Nami, but if you know what you are doing, a kill support is good to carry you out of low(er) elo.

ManwalrusNov 17, 20161 votes

Of course, you can make anything work in Bronze, what I was getting at is that when you're on a tank (I'm just gonna keep using Alistar as an example because I main him) it doesn't matter whether or not Alistar goes 0/1/5 in lane or 0/5/1 he can still flash-pulverize just as effectively but when you're 0/5/1 on Vel'koz what do you do? You don't have the utility to help your team and you don't have the damage to murder anyone's face either, you're solely dependent on winning lane which is fine if you're an absolute God at Vel'koz but otherwise you'll probably end up losing more games than you should. That's the real issue with mid laners with sightstone, they're just too feast or famine.

Morality CoachNov 17, 20162 votes

In plat you don't want a mid laner with a sightsone, but in Silver you do.

I can't tell you how many times I've hit that perfect Leona initiation on their adc only to have all 4 members of my team run back and forth and not engage. Then 4v5 it, then 3v5 it, then run and die and get aced.

Also hitting clutch flash Qs on Alistar is harder than spamming on Brand and Zyra.

For high ELO you always want a real support that supports of course, but climbing out of low ELO I think it's very frustrating. You can't rely on your team in low ELO you have to hard carry.

Maybe I'm trash at real supporting I dunno, but I always had around a 65% winrate in Silver with damage supps and Raka, and 55% real supps.

People don't know what to do with a real supp in SIlver.

ManwalrusNov 18, 20161 votes

It may be frustrating but I think learning real supports early is more rewarding in the long run. For example, I played over 300 ranked games in gold this season but once I hit plat I flew up to plat 1 in ~60 games. Once you get people that know what they're doing on your team it becomes so much easier to play support.

Also hitting clutch flash Qs on Alistar is harder than spamming on Brand and Zyra.

You're damn right it is.

DemothHymsideNov 17, 20163 votes

If your support is killing your lane opponent, and you aren't putting your enemy ADC crazy behind in CS, the problem isn't with your support.

Stealing CS, or messing up your ability to last hit by attacking minions is very frustrating, but there are ways to address it without exploding. If they are really messing with your ability to generate gold, just report.

Kei143Nov 17, 20161 votes

if I zone them out, poke them out, even kill them. and yet you can't farm properly and get a CS lead with proper wave management, I will start taking CS and taking over the game.

Its not like you are doing dmg anyways. might as well let someone else carry you that game.

Just because it used to be call AD Carry (it's marksman now), doesn't mean you are the one carrying all the time.

ReadyxPlayerxOneNov 17, 20161 votes

Honestly, your post seems like you lack an understanding of how bot lane can be played. Poke supports and mage supports have been around a long time and are completely viable. They're NOT only there to feed you kills. Their job is to prevent the lane from becoming a 2v1 and allow you to cs. However they pull this off is acceptable.

It's just an incorrect assumption by many ADC's with limited understanding of the lane to think they need every cs (even if they'd have missed it anyway) and every kill (even though they get assists). I went 3/1/0 on sion a couple games ago as a support. Dominated the lane, allowed the Ezreal to get 40 cs ahead. He's 0/1/3 and complains I'm not handing him kills. I'm fed at this point though and can run train (pun intended) on their whole team. I then get him a dozen kills and end the game with a 6.0 KDA. The Ez ends the game 12/7/15 (and the deaths are mainly cause he tried to be a hero without me :D

Keep trying. Know that the "pro" play you watch is just their play style. It's not what MUST occur in order for you to do well. It's good to have your main damage dealer be well tuned but it's not the only way things can go well for your team. Playing into your teams strengths is how you win games. And if your brand is blowing people up. Help him do it...

SennaMain BunNov 18, 20161 votes

oh lord another one of these ADC's. I like playing zyra support because when that crappy adc fails I can help pick up the slack. In low elo it is every woman for herself lets be real. If you can't last hit that's your business. Credit for kills? LOL no one is stopping you from getting a kill, and honestly it's a joint effort, someone like brand support likely put out more damage than you did getting that kill and has every right to secure it if you can't manage to do so. It isn't just about them not wanting to wait for mid, everyone has their own play style. You play what fits you.

BigBellBruteNov 19, 20161 votes

The ADC is usually a slow and frail character that needs money money money and takes some items to come into their own. Thus, the ADC by its nature needs farm and must take risks to do so, risks that a support with some CC, shielding, or heals could help mitigate. But If you're playing no support move supports and wondering why either A: your ADC is getting killed too much and not getting enough kills or B: playing too passive and missing out on CS well your pick of a support that can't mitigate the risks for your ADC is a huge contributing factor. And by choosing a character that is all about killing, well you chose going in to get kills and screw over your ADC and the rest of the team too. So don't hand me this BS about how they can't last hit. No. You can't refrain from last hitting and you chose to do it going in. And unless you play with that particular adc a bit well you had no clue how good he was when you decided to do it.