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Riot can you please disable brand new champs from being played in ranked ques?

CollegeGirls··14 votes·956 views

I understand the hype that everyone has at seeing a new champ being released and wanting to play them. I even understand that as someone who enjoys new challenges myself that you might like wanting to try them in ranked to see how well you preform. However, this flat out ruins games and is just simply unfair. For example, I am a low elo player right now and I am only currently silver 4 on the NA server. Because of this, the attitude of MOST people is extremely toxic, childish, and selfish. I bring that up because there is no way you can buy a champion and then that same day preform as well as you would have if you played a champ that you have been maining for the past few months. Or even a champion you've only played here and there over the seasons at least you would still have more experience and a higher chance of winning a game. It is very selfish to knowingly play a champion that you know you haven't had the time to actually learn throughouly and more than likely cause your team to lose. Now before you even say "well then why don't you ban him"? The answer is very simple. It comes right back to the current rank I am in and the attitude of the people. For instance if someone has Kayn ghosted in the pre game lobby and I choose to ban him anyway the first thing they do is rage and immediately become toxic that I banned a champ he was going to play. The result of this is that he then goes to say that he will now feed on purpose or troll. This happens ALOT in lower elos and there really is no punishment for this at all. Sure, you can report the player for griefing and they may or may not get banned but you still lose the game, and LP. There is no help for the other players on the team that just are forced to finish a game knowing its going to be a loss.

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Eevee In A Jar3 votes

You should just ban the champion then, I'm sorry friend. There's good enough players who CAN make new champs work in rank. I understand in low ELO that's unlikely but you had an option to stop that yourself. A lot of people ban new champs in rank and justify it. They are right and usually no one argues unless they were the one that wanted to play that champ. Just gotta move on when that happens.

DrCyanide2 votes

If the thought process was high elo players can do fine on new champions or can ban them themselves then new champions wouldn't be disabled for 1 week in the LCS (after the LCS gets to that patch, of course). Kayn won't be enabled for the LCS until 7.15 is on the live servers. Why the double standard? If he breaks the competitive integrity of the LCS, then he is going to be breaking it for everyone else as well.

Eevee In A Jar1 votes

No that's not the thought process. The thought process is that even in high ELO, people ban new champs for the sole purpose that their teammates could pick and do horribly with it. And every time someone highlights that new champ and a teammate bans it, other people agree in the ban as well. So it's not like it's a problem in high ELO BECAUSE people can play it well, it's not a problem because people simply ban it....

Also the game is severely different from low ELO to high ELO bracket games. They are almost completely different games. In lower ELO, the game is won through usually strong champion power and individual's ability to carry. In high elo games, the game is won by punishing opposing players mistakes. The game revolves and prioritizes different things. I won't say this is good enough reason to say why new champs shouldn't be banned in rank games.

But you have the option to ban him... and you didn't. You can't really cry about it. What you're doing now is like your teammates warn you of enemy inc and you stay anways and die and then cry to your teammates about it. You cant cry about that.

DrCyanide2 votes

No that's not the thought process. The thought process is that even in high ELO, people ban new champs for the sole purpose that their teammates could pick and do horribly with it.

Then why are new champions disabled in the LCS for a week? 5 man teams won't pick a champion unless they think they can pull it off.

But you have the option to ban him... and you didn't.

I haven't played a single game since the patch rolled out. Not sure if you're mistaking me for someone else, but I always make sure new champions are banned in Ranked for a while.

Eevee In A Jar1 votes

Oh I must have misread then. Well the thing is again people can ban him and Riot does that because believe it or not the pro teams have a specific comp and plan placed. Also a lot of times, when champs are released, they often aren't well balanced even after all the PBE testing.

DrCyanide2 votes

The champion being not well balanced is a given, so why allow it in Ranked at all that first week? Use the first week to gather some preliminary data from Normal games, then open it up to Ranked for a more accurate feel for the champion's strengths and weaknesses.

The pro teams may have a specific comp and plan, but they're already a week behind the live patch anyway. This gives them the PBE time to brainstorm (and lets be honest, the chances that no one on a pro team has a PBE account is pretty slim), plus the one week before that patch hits the LCS, plus an additional week to mess around in scrims on the Tournament Realm server to see if they want to adapt that comp/plan. Considering how Midseason changes (often more sweeping than a single champion being released) don't get delayed an extra week for the LCS, the excuse that it could break comps/plans seems a little silly.

TwoChikfilaSauce1 votes

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The champion being not well balanced is a given, so why allow it in Ranked at all that first week? Use the first week to gather some preliminary data from Normal games, then open it up to Ranked for a more accurate feel for the champion's strengths and weaknesses.

The pro teams may have a specific comp and plan, but they're already a week behind the live patch anyway. This gives them the PBE time to brainstorm (and lets be honest, the chances that no one on a pro team has a PBE account is pretty slim), plus the one week before that patch hits the LCS, plus an additional week to mess around in scrims on the Tournament Realm server to see if they want to adapt that comp/plan. Considering how Midseason changes (often more sweeping than a single champion being released) don't get delayed an extra week for the LCS, the excuse that it could break comps/plans seems a little silly.

You think normals is the place to get information about how a champion performs in ranked? Lol...

DrCyanide2 votes

I believe I made it quite clear that "some preliminary data" could be obtained from Normals.

By Riot's own account part of why the PBE isn't used for balance changes is because of the limited player base. Normals across all servers has a much larger player base. It won't give you the kind of refined data to decide that you need to nerf them by -3 AD, but it does give you a better feel for the strengths, weaknesses, and unforeseen interactions before it hits Ranked.

After that one week period, then you gather more data from Ranked. Except this time you have people playing the new champion with some experience under their belt, people are starting to get a better feel for what builds work, etc.

TwoChikfilaSauce1 votes

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I believe I made it quite clear that "some preliminary data" could be obtained from Normals.

By Riot's own account part of why the PBE isn't used for balance changes is because of the limited player base. Normals across all servers has a much larger player base. It won't give you the kind of refined data to decide that you need to nerf them by -3 AD, but it does give you a better feel for the strengths, weaknesses, and unforeseen interactions before it hits Ranked.

After that one week period, then you gather more data from Ranked. Except this time you have people playing the new champion with some experience under their belt, people are starting to get a better feel for what builds work, etc.

No useful data can come from normals where people nonstop troll. This probably explains why Riot has such a difficult time balancing the game.

Aguy771 votes

I shouldn't have to ban someone because I don't want a teammate playing them, it's almost toxic

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Yasuo

Aguy771 votes

What about him? I don't mind if a teammate plays Yasuo

I suck at Jhin1 votes

You don't mind 0/10 yasuo who right after respawning still tries to fight someone fed as fuck just because they are yasuo and POTENTIAL OUTPLAYS BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH?

Dfeeds3 votes

I was talking about this with my friend when Xayah and her boy toy came out. For the first week or two a new champ should not be allowed in ranked games. Conversely, said new champ should also not be allowed to be banned in normal games. I feel like this would be a fair solution to all of this.

Starbòy1 votes

im straight up banning him for the next 2 weeks or untill he gets a nerf, he looks strong as fuck

Violet Fields1 votes

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im straight up banning him for the next 2 weeks or untill he gets a nerf, he looks strong as fuck

He looks strong but he's not. Every time Kayn was on my team we always lose.

Frap Achiino1 votes

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He looks strong but he's not. Every time Kayn was on my team we always lose.

That's because he's new and people don't know how to play him. Which is why people who do that in ranked should uninstall.

Starbòy1 votes

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He looks strong but he's not. Every time Kayn was on my team we always lose.

Well, then you should apply the Yasuo rule : ban him so no one from your team can pick him and end 0-10 :D

SecondAirbane1 votes

hey i have a 66.7% wr against kayn dont ban him i want freelo :(

Zephyrous X1 votes

You have a ban? So ban him?

Best of The Best1 votes

they should make the system like over watch where you cant play the champ in ranked the first two weeks of release

Colgate Gator1 votes

I legit was trying to figure out what Brand had anything to do with new champions, but now I feel stupid ):

Pandemic Punch1 votes

You had me at "disable brand"

powerbats1 votes

  1. Ban him

  2. See enemy team pick him, choose Fiddle.

  3. Profit

Telephone Booth1 votes

Jeez... talk about selfish. You wanna control what champs people can play because they might not be as good in your opinion.

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