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Permanently Banned for Quoting an Enemy's Text

En harudim THW··6 votes·4,006 views
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Hello everyone, I'm making this post today after talking with a Riot employee. I tried to resolve the situation there, hoping to just fix this situation and move on. As I'm sure you all can understand after reading the title, my account has been perma banned. Prior to this I got a 2-week suspension, but nothing beyond that. I've been doing my best to curb my language since the 2-week suspension, as I got suspended for hate speech violations in a heated match. I don't know exactly how many games I've played since the un-suspension, but I assure you it's been a lot more than just 2, and all those games save for the 2 games that got this account perma'd, I either did not type at all or just simply engaged in normal banter with teammates/enemies. Here are the chat logs that are associated with this ban:

Game 1 Pre-Game En harudim THW: .................................... En harudim THW: 5 dodges En harudim THW: and then i get autofilled En harudim THW: I'd much rather top or ad En harudim THW: than support En harudim THW: cool En harudim THW: tyty En harudim THW: i mean garen isn't really good unless you're fighting someone like riven top En harudim THW: darius is better at his job En harudim THW: from what i understand En harudim THW: that's a vayne top En harudim THW: p sure In-Game En harudim THW: they're gonna try and fuck us early En harudim THW: if not lvl 1 it'll be 2 En harudim THW: ^ En harudim THW: he En harudim THW: left lane En harudim THW: through his tower En harudim THW: we can't really dive him lol En harudim THW: boom En harudim THW: you can go aroiunds En harudim THW: like that En harudim THW: lol En harudim THW: yi bot En harudim THW: again En harudim THW: ff 15 En harudim THW: afk and feed En harudim THW: or nlt En harudim THW: why did you come back ion En harudim THW: ? En harudim THW: 11/3 kog is 5/0 En harudim THW: lol En harudim THW: 11-3 * En harudim THW: and kat is 5/0 En harudim THW: 6/0 En harudim THW: now it's ff 15 En harudim THW: ol En harudim THW: i wull En harudim THW: i dont think garen will tho En harudim THW: you've only had your laner and you went ie En harudim THW: lol En harudim THW: dont talk shit En harudim THW: im only callin garen out En harudim THW: kog flamed for no reason too En harudim THW: "%%%%%%s" "%%%%%%" "pussy" En harudim THW: makin it real easy to report En harudim THW: :) En harudim THW: nah just know ppl who get banned for saying it En harudim THW: lol En harudim THW: im just waiting till 20 to ff En harudim THW: like En harudim THW: look at the map En harudim THW: . En harudim THW: why lol En harudim THW: i can't En harudim THW: do shit En harudim THW: lol En harudim THW: that's what ive been saying En harudim THW: congrats you can flash aa me En harudim THW: the immoble adc Post-Game En harudim THW: report kog please En harudim THW: thanks En harudim THW: you were toxic En harudim THW: you dont get honors En harudim THW: lol Game 2 In-Game En harudim THW: rush En harudim THW: rushing banner or somethin? En harudim THW: rep0rte En harudim THW: kappa En harudim THW: that lee sucked so hard En harudim THW: they're constantly fighting En harudim THW: dont shove En harudim THW: please En harudim THW: i need oto freeze En harudim THW: seriously En harudim THW: they are literally En harudim THW: only ganking bot En harudim THW: and using everything they have off of cds En harudim THW: kill mid or top all together En harudim THW: or roam En harudim THW: down En harudim THW: then counter bot En harudim THW: aight yall fed too hard En harudim THW: im good to ff En harudim THW: yea En harudim THW: yall En harudim THW: 0/3 0/6 En harudim THW: 1/5 En harudim THW: i had a lee in my lane En harudim THW: lol En harudim THW: south = trump En harudim THW: nice En harudim THW: you also fed your lane so hard that lee could just run it down bot En harudim THW: so En harudim THW: not really En harudim THW: just statin facts En harudim THW: yall int'd En harudim THW: once you learn to lane En harudim THW: :) En harudim THW: get any kills ever En harudim THW: ive an item so En harudim THW: those aren't complete En harudim THW: so En harudim THW: not an impactful one En harudim THW: at 22 minutes into the game En harudim THW: lol Post-Game En harudim THW: report gp thanks

I'm going to give a little bit of context to this to the anticipated replies. For starters, Game 2 happened the night before Game 1. Secondly, the "trump = south" comment was in response to an enemy player saying that by me using the word "y'all" I was a Trump supporter (game 2). The "ff 15 - afk and feed" comment during Game 1 was referring to the Swain who had fed the enemy Katarina mid then disconnected, only to reconnect and disconnect over and over again, occasionally being able to play for a bit during some points before he'd disconnect again. I was just calling for an FF because everyone except the enemy Vayne top was fed and I just wanted to get into a new match, one where I don't get 1 shot by everything, not being toxic to anyone. Lastly, I didn't say any words during Game 1 or Game 2 that were hate speech; I only quoted the enemy Kog'maw and Vayne when I typed ""fggots, fggot, p*ssy"." I'm going to be watching this post so feel free to call out anything else.

I made this post for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I'm hoping to get another Rioter in on this conversation to, hopefully, help me out with this situation. Secondly, I want to highlight how the automated system is very far from perfect. I want people to know what little things that you can say in League safely, because merely quoting the enemy is grounds for a permanent suspension, and I'd wager that if I hadn't been 2-week suspended before this that I would've gotten that punishment instead, so it wouldn't be because I "continued toxicity" or whatever else.

Lastly, I attempted to contact a Riot support employee prior to this post about the issue in the hopes of getting it resolved before I had to make a boards post about it. I've put together an imgur album of the conversation for everyone to see, to provide more clarity. I hope that in creating this I'll find a Rioter to help me with this, and to provide everyone else that happens upon this post a cautionary tale of what you can say in League chat and not. Personally, if I do make another account beyond this one, I will never type in chat again for any reason, because it is just simply too easy to get ban waved by this automated system.

EDIT: Still making support tickets, here is this one: https://imgur.com/a/S21nij1 So, yeah, I guess I'm getting banned for quoting another player. But hey, it's fair I guess [slayer-jinx-unamused]

And another one: https://imgur.com/a/YaY502Z Still not answering the questions I have and keeping me from replying any further, so I guess I just keep to get making more tickets for them. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

39 Comments

Nevurwin4 votes

Context doesn't excuse what YOU are saying. I think that's where people get the most confused about their punishments. Fighting fire with fire doesn't work in the eyes of Riot and will only make matters worse.

If your words cant stand alone as neutral/positive comments and are required to be put into context then that proves you as the individual know what you said is wrong.

The Ecdysiast4 votes

He wasn't even saying it back though. He was informing him of the rules regarding the word.

If that's punishable, then using the chat at all should be.

Nevurwin3 votes

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He wasn't even saying it back though. He was informing him of the rules regarding the word.

If that's punishable, then using the chat at all should be.

What are you talking about?

he had to try to justify everything he said to the rioter through putting it in context... Im not sure what you're getting it, but it doesn't sound like were on the same page.

The Ecdysiast4 votes

Context is the most important thing in these situations. If you're perfectly fine with people getting wrongfully punished, then you're a major part of the problem that allows them to steal from people with no backlash from the community.

Nevurwin3 votes

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Context is the most important thing in these situations. If you're perfectly fine with people getting wrongfully punished, then you're a major part of the problem that allows them to steal from people with no backlash from the community.

No, Context holds no weight in trying to defend what YOU said to someone else. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions/words. This is not difficult to grasp, i don't know why so many people have a hard time with it.

Because little Johnny went afk, fed his ass off, or called you a teenie weenie Still does not make it ok to Flame/Harass them.

Solution : ignore, report, move on.

so simple.

En harudim THW3 votes

I've provided all chat logs I was given as reason for my permaban. Would you consider those toxic enough to be ban worthy? I'm pretty positive they wouldn't even trigger a chat restriction for those 2 games alone - especially based on consistent behavior I've seen from other people I know. It takes much more than 2 games for a restriction to kick in unless you say any form of hate speech or something like kys, which would trigger an immediate 2 week or permaban. These chats were incredibly mild, with or without context.

Nevurwin3 votes

[{quoted}](name=En harudim THW,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1lTPRqru,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-05-25T21:49:40.862+0000)

I've provided all chat logs I was given as reason for my permaban. Would you consider those toxic enough to be ban worthy? I'm pretty positive they wouldn't even trigger a chat restriction for those 2 games alone - especially based on consistent behavior I've seen from other people I know. It takes much more than 2 games for a restriction to kick in unless you say any form of hate speech or something like kys, which would trigger an immediate 2 week or permaban. These chats were incredibly mild.

Those people dont have recent 14-day suspensions like the Guy tried to explain to you...Multiple times.

have you not had such a poor history you would have gotten a chat restriction, like he stated when he was speaking with you.

En harudim THW3 votes

A single game's slip up should not be the basis for my entire account, because that is the entirety of this "poor history" you're referring to. I was back for less than 48 hours, played about 13 matches within that time. But only 2 mild chat logs were enough to get me punished, which once again, I can almost guarantee you would not have triggered a perma at all had I not quoted Kog'maw.

Nevurwin3 votes

[{quoted}](name=En harudim THW,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1lTPRqru,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-25T21:57:56.069+0000)

A single game's slip up should not be the basis for my entire account, because that is the entirety of this "poor history" you're referring to. I was back for less than 48 hours, played about 13 matches within that time. But only 2 mild chat logs were enough to get me punished, which once again, I can almost guarantee you would not have triggered a perma at all had I not quoted Kog'maw.

If you didn't have a prior 14-ban you are correct. 14-day bans are FINAL warnings. Have you ever had a job before? a 14-day ban is like getting a Written Final... one more screw up and you're done, no matter how small or puny you think it may be.

Unker1394 votes

[{quoted}](name=En harudim THW,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1lTPRqru,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-25T21:57:56.069+0000)

A single game's slip up should not be the basis for my entire account, because that is the entirety of this "poor history" you're referring to. I was back for less than 48 hours, played about 13 matches within that time. But only 2 mild chat logs were enough to get me punished, which once again, I can almost guarantee you would not have triggered a perma at all had I not quoted Kog'maw.

It wasn't a single game slip up. It was 3 slip ups before that...and less than 48 hours since you came off your FINAL warning. You knew knew the hate speech was punishable since you made sure to point it out, yet you not only felt it was important to point it out, you also felt the need to quote what was said.

Even without the quote you were negative the whole time. You asked for reports multiple times when there is no need for it even once. You felt the need to call garen out - what you were hoping to gain from it i have no idea. You let your team know you were just waiting to ff at 20, which can be taken as giving up.

If you think this was a permaban from one little slip up, then you fall under the "cannot be reformed" category.

En harudim THW3 votes

There are a total of 3 calling for reports in these chat logs. One for a GP that appeared to be purposefully feeding, and another for the Kog'maw I quoted. This "calling garen out" you're referring to is stating that he's probably not going to surrender - nothing else. Calling for an ff or saying you're waiting to isn't an immediate indicator that I've given up as a whole. Once again, I still continued to play to the best of my ability despite a massive lead against us. I've also acknowledged my original cause for getting a 2 week suspension, and the active effort to reform. This was 2 games out of 13 within my time of being back.

Kei1431 votes

You can ask riot support how many games you were recently reported.

While it could be for 2 games cos you used hate speech, these two games alone does shoes that you have a defeatist attitude of giving up.

Defeatist attitude is considered toxic, though the severity is pretty mild, but the consistent defeatist attitude over many games will get someone punished.

Get Ogre Here3 votes

So naive... Hate speech or 'kys' is not allowed under ANY circumstances. Even if you're quoting someone. Guess you had to learn that the hard way :/

En harudim THW3 votes

I've acknowledged the mistake however. Of course it's going to get shot by the automated system, that was my bad and I should've expected that - however I don't think it's wrong to expect a Rioter to have some understanding to the situation and reverse it. You just quoted "kys," based on that logic, shouldn't you get punished for quoting it? Also, supposedly with only 2 chat logs that was enough to deem a perma regardless, negating the quote. Would you consider that fair?

Get Ogre Here3 votes

[{quoted}](name=En harudim THW,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1lTPRqru,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-25T21:42:09.977+0000)

I've acknowledged the mistake however. Of course it's going to get shot by the automated system, that was my bad and I should've expected that - however I don't think it's wrong to expect a Rioter to have some understanding to the situation and reverse it. You just quoted "kys," based on that logic, shouldn't you get punished for quoting it? Also, supposedly with only 2 chat logs that was enough to deem a perma regardless, negating the quote. Would you consider that fair?

No, I don't think it's fair. I think it's complete bullshit and Riot just wants excuses to ban people.

I bet even if I said "don't kys" to someone I'd get banned and riot wouldn't revoke it just for the lulz. It's insane

Bishasaurus Flex3 votes

Don't say anything relating to homophobic slurs, racial slurs, "kys" etc. Doesn't matter the context. You will be banned. Sucks but it's the way it works I guess.

7deadLeeSlnz2 votes

First off by the supports comments it seems like you have games other than these two that led to your suspension. Even if I ignore the quotes there is still some negativity in these chat logs. You give up and blame your teammates. And since you showed this behavior constantly after getting a 14 day suspension as a final warning this ban is justified.

Edit: If you hadn’t been suspended before this than you probably would have gotten a 14 day ban. After contacting the support he would have reduced it to a chat ban instead.

En harudim THW3 votes

No other chat logs were referenced by the Rioter or provided to me. My previous punishment was for using hate speech and telling a player to kill themselves, which was a mistake I wholeheartedly acknowledge and have been making the active effort not to slip up again. Please note that this instance of both behaviors was within only 1 game alone. Let me go ahead and throw in Meddler's comment here: "Looking at early surrender's use however games that fail a surrender 4-1 between 15-20 very often end up with a surrender or defeat around 20 minutes instead. That means the unanimous requirement is mainly just dragging out already lost games." I did not give up, refuse to participate, AFK, or anything else for that matter. I still farmed and played the match to the best of my ability. Calling for an early surrender vote isn't giving up, it's acknowledging that yeah, we probably aren't going to win this and I'd rather move along to the next match then get stomped until enemy team decides to end or my team decides to surrender. This behavior was not shown constantly. This was 2 out of 13 games, excluding a remake. Nearly all of these games I hardly spoke at all, or if I did it was a joke or shot calling/asking for ganks. "Some negativity" should not be enough to justify the almost immediate punishment that I got - every player is somewhat negative. League is a frustrating game. I put a cap on it and these chats logs were incredibly mild at worst.

7deadLeeSlnz2 votes

Quote by the support “It looks like there were a couple games that led to the suspension beyond repeating that homophobic slur another player wrote”. If you show behavior like shown in the chat logs your ban is justified. Let‘s not focus on calling for ff since that is the smallest issue.

En harudim THW: 0/3 0/6 En harudim THW: you also fed your lane so hard that lee could just run it down bot En harudim THW: aight yall fed too hard

Let’s talk about these. How is telling others their score useful? They probably know their scores without you telling them that. Last two line are self explanatory if I understand them correctly.

En harudim THW3 votes

I'd need the whole chat logs because I can't completely remember the context of what was said regarding the scores. However, if I am remembering correctly, it was said in regards to someone else on the team saying that we were feeding, we lost them the game, etc., so I used the scores to show that it was not, in fact, us that did & to pursue the goal of just ff'ing to get out of the lost game. If other players, especially teammates, are going to bring scores into the mix, why should I not be able to do the same? Especially since it was just done to prove a point more than anything.

Also also, it's still INCREDIBLY light salt, if you can even consider it that. Pointing that out is taking away from the original point of this post, which was to point out that I wouldn't have gotten this punishment if it weren't for me quoting the enemy Kog'maw on a word that gets auto detected and auto-bans people. On another account I said that kind of stuff all the time, mostly not in a negative fashion, and I never got a punishment. Riot's system targets those words insanely harshly, and it leads to things like my ban where someone can get perma'd for a quote.

KZ Engel2 votes

then don't do that

i thought that was common sense by now

Xidphel1 votes

Seems like quoting the word triggered the ban. If that were the only reason, then your ban would be repealed and you'd be back in the game. However, due to the rest of your logs, the punishment isn't going away.

Essentially, you're no longer banned for zero-tolerance policy. You're punished for negative behavior.

En harudim THW3 votes

And my other argument is that it's so ridiculously mild that it shouldn't get me permanently banned. I didn't say anything insanely inflammatory in the slighest

Xidphel1 votes

That's the thing about post-14-day ban. You're right. This might not be enough to net you a 10 game. I'd say 1 or 2 more games like that and without your ban, you'd be punished normally. However, after your 14-day, it becomes easier to get perma'd since you've shown extreme toxicity up to that point (either you've went through 2 chat restrictions or you've triggered the zero-tolerance policy). To put it simply, you're not judged by just the games you've posted but by every game that led to your ban.

En harudim THW1 votes

And isn't that wrong? How does something so mild getting someone banned right? It doesn't do anything to change their attitude, it doesn't do anything to help the community. I could literally make another account and fall into the same habits that got me my 14 day suspension, and you know why? Because I there was no opportunity to reform. You say 1 wrong word and it's death's door for you. The zero-tolerance policy is the most at fault here, to be fair, but at the same time why isn't it possible for Riot employees to understand that those chat logs aren't toxic enough to warrant any punishment, but then it's suddenly ok for them too just because the account is on thin ice.

I didn't go through the normal chain, I got an instant 14-day ban. There was no time to change my negative attitude towards other players, and by abusing the system the support Rioters fucked my account over and all the time that got spent on it.

Xidphel1 votes

What was your 14-day ban for?

ModThe Djinn1 votes

The support representative seemed pretty clear here:

  • Hate speech is zero tolerance, and unacceptable in every situation.
  • They do sometimes give leeway for just quoting someone, but...
  • You had just recieved a 14-day ban for that sort of language, and should know it's not okay.

In short, the first and third points combined made you ineligible for the second. You may not be HAPPY with that, but it was very clear. You were banned for typing hate speech, which you know is punishable, recently after a 14-day ban for hate speech. That's expected.

TrulyBland1 votes

You're missing the fourth point, that he also exhibited negative behaviour apart from quoting slurs. From the wording it does in fact sound like the support would have lifted, or at least considered lifting, the ban if the chat had otherwise been clean. It's the combination of this and your first and third point that really sealed OP's fate.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}You're missing the fourth point

This is definitely true, but as the support ticket he mentioned didn't dig into this reason I kept it to the specific topic at hand -- his quoting of zero-tolerance text -- and why that, in an of itself, would still be sufficient in this case.

En harudim THW1 votes

But why is that the case? Why does it make sense to people that just because I came off of a 14 day ban that it completely makes sense for my account to be taken away simply for quoting someone else? If those chat logs were they way they were but with taking away the quote, I never would've gotten permanently banned. That is the heart of the issue. It shouldn't be ok for this to be within the rules guidelines.

I literally just came off of a 14 day ban. It takes time for people to change, and everyone understands that in every situation except in League for some reason. I can't wipe away a negative attitude towards this game when I 1) can't play it for two weeks & 2) immediately. It's why I think the zero-tolerance policy makes it so fucking hard to actually reform because they're just utilizing fear as the only means to get you to change, not any actually healthy way for change. If someone was trying to quit drinking, would you yell and shout at them about how bad it is to get them to quit? Or would you try and work with them to get them to stop over time? It's the same concept in League when it comes to toxicity, but Riot is all too happy to cull people that fuck up once rather than actually reform them.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=En harudim THW,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1lTPRqru,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-27T01:18:04.275+0000)Why does it make sense to people that just because I came off of a 14 day ban that it completely makes sense for my account to be taken away simply for quoting someone else?

Because you quoted zero tolerance language while on your last chance.

If those chat logs were they way they were but with taking away the quote, I never would've gotten permanently banned.

The rest of the behavior likely wouldn't have gotten you instantly, but it wasn't great, and was in keeping with stuff I see earn punishments over time.

I literally just came off of a 14 day ban. It takes time for people to change, and everyone understands that in every situation except in League for some reason.

If you were immediately 14-day banned with no prior warnings, it was likely for zero tolerance behavior -- the sort that doesn't NEED to give you a second chance, but does anyway. I know it's rough to hear, but life isn't always full of do-overs or second chances, and sometimes there isn't time to change.

If someone was trying to quit drinking, would you yell and shout at them about how bad it is to get them to quit? Or would you try and work with them to get them to stop over time?

The parallel here isn't exact -- League isn't trying to help you reform. They're telling you you need to reform. If you're an employee at my company, for example, and you come in drunk and I tell you never to do that again, and then you do do that again, you're getting fired. While it sucks that it might be difficult for you to quit, it's ultimately not relevant to the fact that I can't have you drinking on the job. League is the same -- you're not allowed to use that sort of language, and you don't get "recovery" time with it.

En harudim THW1 votes

"Because you quoted zero tolerance language while on your last chance."

And why is quoting another player considered toxic? That makes no sense at all. You aren't furthering the negativity of a statement by quoting it; if you're with friends and someone says something unacceptable to another friend and you say "hey don't say "insert word(s) here", you aren't insulting anyone by doing that. You are just defending your friend. In this case, I was just quoting what they said to show the irony of their statements, saying that they weren't being toxic (if I'm remembering the context correctly).

"The rest of the behavior likely wouldn't have gotten you instantly, but it wasn't great, and was in keeping with stuff I see earn punishments over time."

Exactlly, over time. Changing isn't an immediate process, and, believe it or not, I kept myself from saying worse/anything at all in the other 13 games I played before those games.

"If you were immediately 14-day banned with no prior warnings, it was likely for zero tolerance behavior -- the sort that doesn't NEED to give you a second chance, but does anyway. I know it's rough to hear, but life isn't always full of do-overs or second chances, and sometimes there isn't time to change."

And a zero tolerance behavior makes no sense in a video game. This isn't work, this isn't family matters, this isn't something that has a real-life impact on you where you could go homeless, lose a job, or lose friends over. It's a video game for fun. That being said, I understand that there has to be limits on what can and can't be said in an online fashion or it'll screw the company. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't attempt to foster a positive community in a positive manner, instead of just lording over them as if they own us.

"The parallel here isn't exact -- League isn't trying to help you reform. They're telling you you need to reform. If you're an employee at my company, for example, and you come in drunk and I tell you never to do that again, and then you do do that again, you're getting fired. While it sucks that it might be difficult for you to quit, it's ultimately not relevant to the fact that I can't have you drinking on the job. League is the same -- you're not allowed to use that sort of language, and you don't get "recovery" time with it."

And why shouldn't they? For all their talk about caring about our feedback, or caring about us, they really don't seem to want to reform people in a positive manner. They want people that are always good all the time, or if they're bad, only slightly so. This, again, isn't a job or something that you have to be committed to; it's a game that should be played for fun/competitively, and moderated just-so, instead of lording their power over every player.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=En harudim THW,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1lTPRqru,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-27T01:51:02.523+0000)And why is quoting another player considered toxic? That makes no sense at all. You aren't furthering the negativity of a statement by quoting it...

It's not about negativity at that point -- it's about acceptable and unacceptable language. Imagine you're at a restaurant and someone at the table next to you shouts racial slurs -- you can shout "he said [insert word here]" if you want, but you'll get kicked out as well, as that word is not appropriate in any context in that venue.

Exactlly, over time. Changing isn't an immediate process, and, believe it or not, I kept myself from saying worse/anything at all in the other 13 games I played before those games.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't attempt to foster a positive community in a positive manner, instead of just lording over them as if they own us.

They do, through things like the Summoner's Code, the punishment system, and, yes, ensuring that certain language and behavior isn't allowed.

And why shouldn't they?

Because League is a company, not a personalized behavior reform therapist, and because if a player reforms over time and has problematic incidents it ruins the experience for other, well-behaved players who are a neutral to positive influence on the community.

En harudim THW1 votes

"It's not about negativity at that point -- it's about acceptable and unacceptable language. Imagine you're at a restaurant and someone at the table next to you shouts racial slurs -- you can shout "he said [insert word here]" if you want, but you'll get kicked out as well, as that word is not appropriate in any context in that venue."

I don't know what restaurants you go to, but no, no you wouldn't. That'd be stupid of the owner, since most reasonable people would understand their intent in calling them out and not ban them from the restaurant.

"They do, through things like the Summoner's Code, the punishment system, and, yes, ensuring that certain language and behavior isn't allowed."

It's not exactly positive to lord over us with such a punishment system though. Where you can get an account taken away simply for quoting "hate speech." I don't understand how anyone can argue that it makes sense, simply because an account is on thin ice, that any hint of negativity makes a perma ban justified. It doesn't foster a positive community with that kind of threat, no.

"Because League is a company, not a personalized behavior reform therapist, and because if a player reforms over time and has problematic incidents it ruins the experience for other, well-behaved players who are a neutral to positive influence on the community."

Not saying they are. I'm saying that they should change their 'mission statement', so to speak, and be up front with how they're going to go about their community. And besides, I'd be willing to bet that League is not home to a majority of neutral/positive players, but moreso BM players. Not necessarily toxic, but BM isn't positive. You don't get a reputation like League has for nothing, and you won't fix that by banning all your players, but by changing the game/them.

TwinkiePro1 votes

In Germany, it is illegal to say that the holocaust was not real. Even if someone tells you to say it, unless you are under duress, you will face punishment, regardless of context.

En harudim THW1 votes

And you don't see a problem with that?

Xidphel1 votes

They're not gonna give you the answer you want to hear. Give up. Your negative behavior post-14-day ban got you perma'd. Now you're just spamming them.

En harudim THW1 votes

And if they're not going to repeal it despite it being stupid, then I'm just going to waste their time. This ban is idiotic, so might as well.

Xidphel2 votes

Are you really giving yourself an excuse to waste YOUR time and be a dumbass instead of MOVING ON?

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