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So this is why I was perma band..

Darkangol··4 votes·2,115 views

I dont feel its justified at all.. im posting chat logs and the kid I was talking to straight up called me "retard, trash,loser" and even went as far as telling me to kill myself in one case.. I did nothing but defend myself and range a little.. I called no names but "noob" and now im perma band..(Yes I did mute him to which point his duo started telling me these things instead)

Just wanna get some feed back on if this is a normal thing...because its not very often I do this and when I do its purely responsive and never attking the other person..

Darkangol: plz dont push ww Darkangol: i obviously have mid Darkangol: camp all you want shes still a noob Darkangol: lol Darkangol: i just gave you kill Darkangol: stop taking farm plz Darkangol: like really Darkangol: lee has been mid all game Darkangol: not once have i died where lee wasent involved Darkangol: camp a noob hes still a noob Darkangol: dosent matter to me.. you wont make your duo better by camping them Darkangol: infact you will make them worse... bc when you dont duo they will be bad Darkangol: doubted Darkangol: well you havetn killed me once without lee Darkangol: no shes not shes 4-2 Darkangol: and this si what happens when mid gets camped literlay all game Darkangol: not 2min passes where i dident see lee Darkangol: lee dived me and would die to get kat kill Darkangol: how about trust i knwo what im doing Darkangol: im much much better then you and here you are taking my farm Darkangol: would of killed kat if you let me focus Darkangol: but instea dyou lag my screen pinging Darkangol: bc computer was made in 2001 Darkangol: i did not once complain about you or anything you where doing Darkangol: was complaining about lee and rightfully so Darkangol: like i said not 2min passed where i dident see lee Darkangol: onc ei can stop defending myself from this luc harassing me i can play Darkangol: plz all rpeort him Darkangol: btw im only one with pink on map

I was trying my best to not say anything well being called every name in the book over and over.. I usaly work well with others and have a pritty high win rate.. Infact I dident even start running into this kinda shit untill I played ranked.. Had my acount for over 2 years and never had a problem untill ranked.. I do want my acount back and tho I made a mistake I do not feel this is enough to be perma band.. as where the person who I was fighting with is still playing the game (I have a freind add him) he was about 100x more toxic then me but he still gets to play and I get perma band? Thats fair summoner 11

56 Comments

OhBoyItsaMegaman7 votes

This is the first one I've seen in a while where there's no indication that you should have been banned for this game. There's some impolite cross-team chat but it doesn't seem to be over the line.

However, it's possible that other games contributed to the permaban and were not included in the reform card that you received. It might have been a justified ban but they just included a very mild game as evidence.

I would recommend waiting a bit for more people to respond, then open a ticket with a link to this thread. If you politely point out that the thread has a lot of positive votes and the majority of the community doesn't see evidence for a ban here, they may take a closer look. This doesn't mean that the account will be restored; they may just give you more information on the circumstances surrounding their decision. But it is worth a shot.

Darkangol1 votes

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This is the first one I've seen in a while where there's no indication that you should have been banned for this game. There's some impolite cross-team chat but it doesn't seem to be over the line.

However, it's possible that other games contributed to the permaban and were not included in the reform card that you received. It might have been a justified ban but they just included a very mild game as evidence.

I would recommend waiting a bit for more people to respond, then open a ticket with a link to this thread. If you politely point out that the thread has a lot of positive votes and the majority of the community doesn't see evidence for a ban here, they may take a closer look. This doesn't mean that the account will be restored; they may just give you more information on the circumstances surrounding their decision. But it is worth a shot.

Yes I really dont think its fair what so ever.. I said no direct insults despite having been mad at the time.. There system is way to strict you cant speek your mind what so ever or your band..

I did submit a ticket but I bet it will just be ignored..

Emperor Cynric4 votes

Perma band. Hes forever stuck in a band. lucky.

kaleb bartlett4 votes

Being overtly toxic with curses? no, Being constantly passive-agressive and condecending? yep

And it wasn't just this ONE game that did you in. You do understand that there are MANY other games that need to be reported for you to even be seen. You do understand that when an account has gotten to the point that they are flagged for review for a perma-ban that Riot does it by hand to make sure it's needed. They send you a few games for examples as to why you are being punished (This being only one, I'm very sure they sent you others that you won't show). Then action is taken on the account.

If the previous 3 punishments didn't get it through your head that there is something wrong with the way you were acting, then you are deserving a punishment.

Darkangol1 votes

They only sent me 1 that is a fact. I just copy paisted chat logs so im not going through the truble for you unless you can garinte me results, and no thats not a fair system. Say one mild thing to somebody and get perma ban? That is in no way deserving of that type of punishment. Iv said it many times at best this is a chat restriction at worst a 2 week ban. In no way should I have been perma band for this.

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

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They only sent me 1 that is a fact. I just copy paisted chat logs so im not going through the truble for you unless you can garinte me results, and no thats not a fair system. Say one mild thing to somebody and get perma ban? That is in no way deserving of that type of punishment. Iv said it many times at best this is a chat restriction at worst a 2 week ban. In no way should I have been perma band for this.

Severity is only 1 factor and it seems to be the only thing you are considering. They logs they send you are an example of what you did not every infraction you have ever committed. Your logs are mild which suggests that you are a frequent mild offender which also leads to perma bans. The chat logs you have is merely the final straw.

How many times have you been chat restricted and temp banned in the past?

Darkangol1 votes

Sence the new system I got chat restricted for little stuff like saying the word "fuck" which I stopped doing, I got a 2 week ban for somebody cursing me out and me cursing back which was warranted it was same situation as this but I dident keep a cool head (why I thought I was fine just being rude but aperintly not) before this new system last time i was band was back in july, and when I came off the ban I had a 50game chat restrict but that was over 5months before new system.

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

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Sence the new system I got chat restricted for little stuff like saying the word "fuck" which I stopped doing, I got a 2 week ban for somebody cursing me out and me cursing back which was warranted it was same situation as this but I dident keep a cool head (why I thought I was fine just being rude but aperintly not) before this new system last time i was band was back in july, and when I came off the ban I had a 50game chat restrict but that was over 5months before new system.

That is quite the punishment history. That is the reason you are perma banned, not any 1 game.

Darkangol1 votes

Had the aocunt for 3 years and been punished all of 5 times.

No thats not "quite the history"

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

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Had the aocunt for 3 years and been punished all of 5 times.

No thats not "quite the history"

It is.

It is also 1 more chance than you would have gotten if you had started playing today.

Faith Breaker3 votes

I don't use offensive or inflammatory words rather then choose my use of words in an intelligent manner to insult without being insulting. Surely the person that out right called me a stupid n*****r is allowed to play for whatever reason though =)

Darkangol1 votes

As you can see I did what you just said.. I said no direct insult other then noob... yet im perma band

XxobscenexX3 votes

u were ban bc u were toxic as fcuk. Not just in one game but in multiple game.

Darkangol1 votes

This is only thing on my reform card and in the email, and your past bans and chat restricts do not effect your next one. That is not how it works you get punished for those and they are behind you. Its what you do after that to show whether you have learned. I feel there is nothing in these chat logs that institute a perma ban. A chat restriction maybe, a 2 week ban, very harsh but a perma ban for this way over doing it.

Duke Anax3 votes

Well you past punishments affect you in that the next punishment is always worse. if you halready had a 2 week ban, you get perma, no matter what,

But I don't hink this chat warants a punishment at all. If it would, the#d have to ban 90% of this community.

Darkangol1 votes

Its pritty b.s isent it.. I made a test account just to test this new b.s system, all I did was spam the N word and curse every team mate out every game. Took 3 games until I got a 10 game chat restriction and not even a ban.. this new system is total crap its just as bad a the tribunal in 2013

LukeTheSheppy3 votes

OP, can you post a screenshot or a link to your reform card? I just want to verify that the logs weren't scrubbed in any way.

EDIT: Sorry all, boards decided to be drunk and quadrapost that. Sorry for the spam. :(

ModPrandine3 votes

I see you being passive-aggressive in the game from your reform card that you showed us. I also see you calling for reports near the end of it as well. While not the worst game I've seen (in fact it's actually pretty tame compared to others that I've seen), I'd still say that it was worth a punishment. Keep in mind that you aren't punished for just one game unless it's severe enough to warrant such a punishment. No, you were punished for showing consistent negativity across multiple games, and considering the fact that you say it had been 3 days since your 2-week ban ended, that gives Riot the impression that you never actually had any intentions of reforming and would rather continue to be negative and harass other players in-game.

Permanent bans are always handed out manually by a Riot employee, who goes through your account to determine whether or not a permanent ban is needed for it. It should also be stated that retaliation is never okay, as you force your teammates to deal with at least 2 ragers (you+the original) instead of just one. If you still feel it was unjust then feel free to open up a Support Ticket about it. Just know though that unless it was an error made on their part, permanent bans are never undone.

Stephenizgod3 votes

You are not screaming curses at people but you are still being negative. Riot has stated over and over again that constant negative behavior is punishable.

"camp all you want shes still a noob"
"camp a noob hes still a noob"
"im much much better then you and here you are taking my farm"

These are all toxic and negative as they are direct insults...

"plz all rpeort him"

Pretty sure you asking other people to report someone is a report-able offense.

This is 1 game, they don't send you everything you have ever done wrong. You have probably been punished before this right? I see a lot of people claiming they were perma-banned for no reason but then a helpful Rioter always comes by to enlighten everyone to the truth.

Darkangol1 votes

for the 4th person who hasent read it properly, its not the fact I was being toxic its the fact I got a perma ban for this one instance.. this is the only thing in the chat logs, and the only thing I was emailed. Please read post before you post, in no way should this be a perma ban or a ban at all, this is a chat restriction at best but because of new system it aperintly is

kaleb bartlett4 votes

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for the 4th person who hasent read it properly, its not the fact I was being toxic its the fact I got a perma ban for this one instance.. this is the only thing in the chat logs, and the only thing I was emailed. Please read post before you post, in no way should this be a perma ban or a ban at all, this is a chat restriction at best but because of new system it aperintly is

What lead UP to this point? hmm? Did the other chat restrictions and your 14 day ban not HINT that you might be doing something you shouldn't? It wasn't this ONE SINGLE GAME that did you in, it was the constant abuse you gave your team and your inability or unwillingness to STOP.

The perma-ban is the last resort after you had ignored all of the other times you had been punished. You admit that it was deserving a punishment, but you had already moved past the chat restriction phase of your punishments, ergo it goes a step up, and with you that was a perma-ban.

Darkangol1 votes

Um I did stop hence why I wasent yelling at him back, but apparently this is enough to warrent a harsh jugment as a acount ban

your defending the new system like its fair what so ever, its not this is most broken way to do punishments sence the tribunal

Darkangol1 votes

and no iv said over and over again "at best this is a chat restict" I dont think this should have been punished at all.. all I did is be rude

so how about you stop mis quoting me

ModPrandine2 votes

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and no iv said over and over again "at best this is a chat restict" I dont think this should have been punished at all.. all I did is be rude

so how about you stop mis quoting me

No one is misquoting you, you're just refusing to listen to the facts at hand here. To you it may be just be a chat restriction at best, but look at it from Riot's point of view:

  • You had just gotten off of a 14-day ban from the game.
  • Instead of changing your behavior for the better, you instead chose to go in and harass other players constantly.
  • Riot saw that this took place approx. 3 days after your last punishment, and decided that since you were unwilling to change your behavior, another punishment was needed. In this case, since you just had a 14-day ban, a permanent ban was the next step up.

Your punishment level can eventually decay over time, but that's only if you make a consistent effort to reform yourself and not act up around others. Since 3 days had passed and you had decided not to make that effort, a permaban was the only punishment choice left for Riot to give you.

The following is a quote from Magus Zeppers that I've edited slightly to fit in more with these boards:

Ever read or hear of the story "The boy that cried wolf", these "this is that last straw" threads follow the same pattern.

Thats what I get from many of these complaints. I dont mean to attack anyone, but when they themselves attack (You cant tell me you werent attacking Riot and the community on the matter), why should they expect anything in return?

Because YOU see it as wrongdoing does not mean it portrays wrongdoing. That is your personal perspective and I may not agree with it, but would fight for your right to have it.

As far as "educated" opinions, you got them. You just cant handle them because they did not fall in line with your beliefs. Welcome to the real world.

Here is another one from him that I feel is appropriate also:

I try to be "civil". And I respect your opinion when stated in a reasonable fashion (not necessarily a rant screaming im gonna quit). Understand that its a two way street.

You yourself lashed out regarding "educated" responses. This in itself shows a lack of respect to others, simply because they did not agree with you.

K A R M A

EvilDustMan2 votes

That depends, when was your 14 day suspension?

Darkangol2 votes

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That depends, when was your 14 day suspension?

It was about 3 days before this happened.. but if anything this is a chat restriction at most... well the guy calling me all the names is still free to play the game.. fair system

qetzel4 votes

Actually, I checked your match history. One of the people in your game hasn't played since the game with you. This person had recently had about two weeks away from LoL. Another player only had one extra game. Both are people who played almost every day.

Don't assume that the other people aren't punished too.

EDIT: Turns out I was wrong. They just took a few days off. This doesn't mean they aren't on the ladder waiting for a 14 day ban though.

Darkangol1 votes

The person who was cursing me out is still playing the game, so no hes not being punished for this.. I have been watching his match history im not assume anything you are

Pentch2 votes

Band... It's Banned* boo boo

EvilDustMan2 votes

Yea. Basically, it only took you three days to be pretty negative again. There's no chat restrictions after 14Day only a permabanned.

Darkangol1 votes

Punishment dosent fit the crime thats what this is about, well the person spamming curse words is in a game as I type this..

ModPrandine2 votes

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Punishment dosent fit the crime thats what this is about, well the person spamming curse words is in a game as I type this..

Again, what someone else did doesn't matter, as the only person that you can control is yourself and yourself alone. You chose to be consistently negative in-game and because of that you received a punishment-not just for this game, but for the many other games that you were valid reported in as well. Because you were already on a 14-day ban, the next level up from the 14-day ban is a permanent ban.

From Understanding the Tribunal:

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.

Darkangol1 votes

Oh look another perosn who dosent read, I dident say in any way his punishment should effect mine, I said he is still playing the game fine when he was about 100x more toxic then I. I dont even feel I was toxic enough to be chat restricted all I did was be rude, but here I am getting a perma ban for being rude to a toxic kid.

kaleb bartlett3 votes

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Oh look another perosn who dosent read, I dident say in any way his punishment should effect mine, I said he is still playing the game fine when he was about 100x more toxic then I. I dont even feel I was toxic enough to be chat restricted all I did was be rude, but here I am getting a perma ban for being rude to a toxic kid.

You had the option to keep your mouth shut, you didn't need to even say ONE SINGLE WORD in chat, but you chose to. You decided to act like a jackass and was punished for it, the only difference was this was the final straw that killed your account.

ModPrandine1 votes

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Oh look another perosn who dosent read, I dident say in any way his punishment should effect mine, I said he is still playing the game fine when he was about 100x more toxic then I. I dont even feel I was toxic enough to be chat restricted all I did was be rude, but here I am getting a perma ban for being rude to a toxic kid.

Oh I can read, and what I'm reading is you not liking the answers that you're getting and insulting/attacking those who give you the answers that you don't want. If that other person hasn't already been banned yet then they will in time. This isn't about them though, this is about you and you alone, and since you chose to negatively retaliate against them, you got punished for it. It just so happens that you got a permaban since you had recently gotten a 14-day ban just days before then.

From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

“I should be allowed to speak however I like to people who started it or are griefing me.” “I was provoked or taunted. I should be allowed to defend myself.” “Why did you vote to punish me when others were behaving worse?”

You should know that Riot specifically instructs jurors to ignore most of the conduct of people in a case other than the accused. The reason for this is rather simple: rather than one person causing trouble, you now have two – or more. In my more cynical moments, I have phrased it thus:

Timmy, Tommy and Sarah are trapped in an elevator. Timmy loses his temper and soils himself. Tommy gets angry at the smell and decides to retaliate by soiling himself. Now Sarah is trapped with two smelly idiots. Don’t be Timmy or Tommy. Stop ****ing your pants.

An informal poll of the Tribunal regulars shows that most jurors are willing to excuse a certain amount of response to someone who is attacking you, but that it isn’t considered an excuse for you to become toxic in response. You get MAYBE one or two lines of response. Anything more than that and you’re part of the problem.

From Lyte (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=27540071#post27540071)):

We strongly believe that it is not OK to retaliate. If a player refuses to cooperate and says something negative, then players should ignore the player and report them after the game. Players can ignore or mute players by pressing the “Mute” button on the Scoreboard [when you hit TAB] in the game.

Emphasis mine.

Darkangol1 votes

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qetzel3 votes

Now to be fair if a player has had multiple chat restrictions and a two week ban then those punishments aren't working. Giving more is a bit pointless.

I don't have much information about this specific case, so do not feel comfortable commenting on it.

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