Got trolled, and banned for defending myself?

GodlessWhore·Nov 18, 2016·5 votes·1,807 views

I know some of you are going to say that I must have done SOMETHING horrible to deserve it, but listen to this scenario:

I go into a normal blind pick game, and call "top" as the first word in the chat. No one else types for a few seconds, and no one else even said "top". I pick Pantheon, I lock in, and go to the bathroom. I come back to find the game loaded, and someone on my team with nasus standing near my lane typing "why is pantheon top". To make a long and ugly game short, he, along with one other player on my team spent almost the entire game accusing me of trolling, and instalocking my pick when he "called" top. He goes into all chat with this big made up story about how im trolling and I suck (I had the fewest deaths on my team). The link to the match history for this game is here:

Anyways, he spends all game trying to convince people that I am the bad guy, and he supposedly gets all these people to report me, because at the start of my next game I have a chat ban. I didn't drop any F bombs, I killed myself trying to win, and yet because I dared to defend myself for a totally made up story, I am now being punished. He matched with me the following game as well, and at the end of that one (We won, and I did well), he tells everyone I need to be perma banned for trolling, and to please report me. I get several people agreeing with him wholeheartedly. The match history for THAT game is here: .

I just want to understand, why does someone like this get to get me punished, when he trolled and lied?

29 Comments

bbc world orderNov 18, 20169 votes

Show chatlogs, or it's not real.

TianWangShangNov 17, 2018

In context of today (Trump and his wife). Raped women; provide [used and tested] rape kits('hard evidence' , "show the evidence") or it's not real.

bbc world orderNov 17, 20181 votes

dude this was TWO years ago, get a grip of yourself. just take the penalty and reform

WeatheredNov 18, 20164 votes

You are going to get a lot of indifferent people asking for chat logs, which you should probably post.
Riot has said multiple times in the past, and possibly in their Summoner's Code (although I haven't checked), that retaliation or behavior based off another's behavior is not considered. When analyzing a report, context is not a moving factor and your behavior alone is judged and acted upon. It's your account and your responsibility not to respond to other's behavior in a way that will ruin your own account.

GodlessWhoreNov 18, 20162 votes

The thing is, I don't have access to chat logs. If there is a way to obtain them I would. But I would think based on what was being said about me by this nasus, and based upon my responses, that nothing in the chat log would be cause for me to be chat banned and him to get off scott free. Unless he just convinced everyone to report me for nothing, which would be bad.

President Swa1nNov 18, 20161 votes

Don't they email you chat logs after your punishment?

GodlessWhoreNov 18, 20161 votes

I don't know. They did when I got an actual ban on another account, but this chat ban didnt even show me how many games I got banned for, it just appeared in game. No notice, no nothing.

TianWangShangNov 17, 2018

Happened to me. You got my [meaningless](thanks Riot) support.

TianWangShangNov 17, 2018

Defends trolls and their actions by not considering human relations. That's like saying sociologists and psychologists should just go fuck themselves and stop bothering studying a field that HAS brought revelations on what drives people [ to do what they do].

SirLimeNov 18, 20162 votes

Yup, if you suggest anything is wrong with the system and that you are innocent by any chance, the downvote trolls will do their best to hide any flaws in the system. And yes, you can get punished for even calmly and rationally defending yourself despite not resorting to harassment or profanity. If you get reported a lot, it barely matters if you're innocent or not. Hell, a guy got suspended for playing off-meta Singed support because enough people reported him and blamed him. He even has a good winrate and a respectable ranking. The system is only a small step away from mob justice.

emernicNov 18, 20161 votes

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Yup, if you suggest anything is wrong with the system and that you are innocent by any chance, the downvote trolls will do their best to hide any flaws in the system. And yes, you can get punished for even calmly and rationally defending yourself despite not resorting to harassment or profanity. If you get reported a lot, it barely matters if you're innocent or not. Hell, a guy got suspended for playing off-meta Singed support because enough people reported him and blamed him. He even has a good winrate and a respectable ranking. The system is only a small step away from mob justice.

Hey dude, I read a bunch of your comments on various posts. You are fucking SPOT ON. So, at least know that one other person bothered to spend a long time to understand what's going on and can see that you are right. You're gonna get drowned with downvotes from "experts" who spent 5 minutes "investigating" and now know everything there is to know. Riot's already made their stance clear: "communicating" = doing what your team wants and if you do something people dislike for long enough you get banned.

GodlessWhoreDec 14, 20161 votes

Sorry for delayed response, was busy with finals for school. Anyways, yes that is the general issue for me. Mob rule sucks, and it is all over the place on League. If it wasn't for my years of commitment to the game I would probably just move on. I honestly don't get why some people have a full blown mental breakdown over stupid stuff in game. It borders on psychotic behavior though, and the part that scares me is how ready everyone is to report the living hell out of everything and everyone. I don't think I have had a single game go by without someone losing their marbles and screaming nonstop for 40 minutes in chat, in all chat, all over the place. I can honestly say I don't instigate things though, I just defend myself. I am beginning to see that there is no defense in league, and that the report system is ruled by smarmy clowns who think it's funny to troll games. I have seen so many people who sit there walking into towers to kill themselves, while screaming in the chat about how they are intentionally ruining the game because they like to troll. And many of those same people also state over and over that they won't get reported, but I will because they say so. And while some of those people are probably full of s***, I can't help but feel that some of these people have some inside method of screwing their teams over on a regular basis with no repercussions.

Example: one of my blind pick games recently on my new account (I played a lot of blind pick because the games start faster and I can get more done in a few hours) ended with me being chat banned for 20 games. In the pre game lobby, I clearly stated my lane and called it before anyone else said a word. So this guy ends up picking garen top (same lane I called), and proceeds to tell me he doesn't care what anyone else picks because he does what he wants. The argument didn't go very far, I wound up explaining the lane-call process to no avail and then muting him in game. But before the game even loaded, he states that he is going to report me for trolling, and to "enjoy the ban lul". My entire team hated this kid, almost everyone on the other team bad mouthed him too (he was spamming all chat with nonsense and walking into their tower nonstop for over 20 minutes), and yet as soon as the next game loaded I was slapped with a 20 game chat ban. So yeah, it makes me a little bit salty when I have tripped over myself to help my teams and try to win every game I play. Maybe it's just crazy to me, but I don't see how people find enjoyment in spending 20-50 minutes of their time trying to lose on purpose and piss off everyone they play with.

DanjengNov 18, 20161 votes

Instalocking is one of the worst things you can do in champ select. Communicate with your team during this time. If the whole team agrees with Nasus, perhaps you are the one at fault here. Unless everybody is stupid, and you're the only bright one. My guess is that you believe your losses are attributed to your teammates too, rather than your performance in game.

Most likely Nasus called it before you even joined the room.

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Show chatlogs, or it's not real.

GodlessWhoreNov 18, 20161 votes

I didn't instalock anything. Again, I will repeat that I did what I should have done, and called my lane. No one else beat me to it. Nasus spent all game bad mouthing me to my team and in all chat, and lying over and over and over. I am 100% sure of that. I don't have a lobby chat log because I obviously didnt think this would be a problem. I didn't swear at anyone. I just defended the truth.

jpguy902Nov 18, 20161 votes

http://imgur.com/r3TWz5m.png Chat logs

EazyMakaveli2Nov 18, 20161 votes

Its your fault for playing normals. In the 200 normals ive played I ALWAYS INSTALOCKED. If you complain about people clicking the lock button, ur retarded.

GodlessWhoreNov 18, 20163 votes

I don't think you even read what I posted. I didn't instalock anything.

EazyMakaveli2Nov 18, 20161 votes

i read and i understand. u called first but some1 locked ur role anyway. i do that too. And its still ur fault.

GodlessWhoreNov 18, 20162 votes

But you haven't explained how it's my fault at all. You're saying it's my fault for doing the right thing, when someone else didn't call a lane, instalocked themselves, and then makes up a story about me doing it so that they can be vindicated falsely.

EazyMakaveli2Nov 18, 20161 votes

you play a game mode that lets players lock in what they want. If you dont want that to happen, dont play blind pick. What people do in-game is irrelevant to your decision to play blind pick.

GodlessWhoreNov 18, 20161 votes

But I don't care about the fact that anyone instalocked. That isn't the point of my post.

DrehirthNov 18, 20161 votes

sounds like you let the troll win buddy

A DoorknobNov 18, 20161 votes

Did you get banned from the game? If you didn't then it doesn't matter. If you did, report it to Riot. Riot considers what Nasus did to you as a form of harassment which can lead to punishment.

DrCyanideNov 18, 20161 votes

I've had someone try to take Mid from me on similar fashion (only using Normal Draft, so no possible confusion). I was able to refute them calmly, and was not punished for doing so. Your chat logs (and your general chat history) are what's at play here, not a specific game.

EvilDustManNov 18, 20161 votes

When was your 14 day ban?

Gimpy89Nov 18, 20161 votes

You can't be punished for only 1-2 games.

TianWangShangNov 17, 2018

Also got permabanned 3 months ago for replying in kind to trolls. So no - benefit of the doubt, I seriously doubt YOU did anything wrong.

These trolls use corrupt "logic" to defend Riot's bans. "The reason it only has YOUR chat is because YOU are in control of YOUR behavior in chat. You cannot get a punishment for what someone else does."

Defends trolls and encourages them when they know others will defend their actions and them as well. It doesn't address how to get people to own up to their own mistakes. What you do AFTER getting trolled has nothing to do with being inappropriate, that you 'trolled' them as well, and venting the frustration from trying to have a good game but others are intentionally being hell bent on ruining this game for you.

I have the 'added' bonus of having a Chinese ign "TianWangShang". So yeah I also get racists.

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