Plz contact me Riot

Loreshaper·Mar 29, 2017·5 votes·8,472 views

To whom it may concern,

Since I am not allowed to under your rules to "Naming and Shaming" to post that "Posts that accuse others of causing a negative in-game experience".

I would like for you to contact me so that I can report a player for writing to another player that his/her mother should die. We all reported it, but I have to be honest and inform you that I would like to receive a personal notification on this one as I believe this goes against all that Riot stands for. I understand you receive notifications from us players who are appreciating what the game should be about and are enjoying it that way. However, there are those who take the liberty to troll the game and spew toxic language around them. Please take action.

Yours sincerely, Loreshaper

39 Comments

RiotRiot TantramMar 29, 20179 votes

If you reported the person after the game, that is all that is needed.

I would like to receive a personal notification on this one

We do not give personal notifications as to how we handle other peoples' accounts.

AMYS GRAVEMar 29, 20173 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

Hey Tantrum, there's a post that was discussed a bunch yesterday which contradicts things which you have said in the recent past, might be worth your attention.

Sorry for hijacking this thread to bring your attention to it.

ModWuksMar 29, 20173 votes

What exactly was contradicted?

AMYS GRAVEMar 29, 20172 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports?sort_type=best&comment=000b

Do people get punished for report begging or not? We now have contradictory information on the matter which i sum up in in the linked post. We can continue discussing there if you're interested as that discussion probably doesn't belong in this unrelated thread.

ModWuksMar 29, 20174 votes

I won't speak for Tantram, but asking for reports as a sole factor doesn't appear to be enough to trigger the IFS to punish outright; however, for some of these people who use "report x for y" to harrass other players, they actually exhibit toxicity beyond this as well, thus yielding punishments.

AMYS GRAVEMar 29, 20172 votes

If that's how it works, fine i guess w/e, but that's not how it was explained in the past. Hence the contradiction.

RiotRiot TantramMar 29, 201715 votes

That post can be a little confusing.

The post was made to address confusion players had, thinking that asking for reports was akin to hate speech / zero tolerance and directly resulted in a ban. This is not true. But, asking for reports CAN be a way of harassing players. In that case, the system can detect that you are using it as a means of harassment. A single 'report xx' isn't going to cause a penalty. But calling someone a feeder for having a poor game, telling people to report them for int'ing, etc .. is all going to be considered negative.

Riot doesn't define what is acceptable/unacceptable. It is the player base that decides that. Our systems learn from our players. Just like how players taught the system that GGEZ is pretty BM, players also taught the system that 'report xxx for int'ing' when they are not, is also negative.

I admit that the recent post was rather confusing.

Deep Terror NamiMar 29, 20176 votes

Ok here's the issue as I see it;

People are asking one question; Is asking for reports a punishable offense?

The answer may be either A) Yes it is, B) No it isn't, or C) Kind of, because when they are being negative by calling them a feeder and saying to report it's harassment.

The answer you have given here is, imo, basically answer C. However, that seems to be entirely dependent on the accusations being made, so it sounds like even then lobbying for reports isn't punishable, it's just the part about making accusations and shaming.

If that is the case, then don't say "lobbying for reports is punishable", leave that out of it entirely. Say only what's relevant, that shaming and making accusations to influence reports is punishable.

If you disagree with how I've broken down the possible responses or misinterpreted what your answer meant, I feel it's important that they are broken down step by step to be clarified.

thinking that asking for reports was akin to hate speech / zero tolerance

I'm sorry, where did you see this?

OnlyYouCanHearMeMar 30, 20172 votes

There is a person on the Boards who posts both frequently and vocally here in PB&M regarding how unfair and inconsistent Riot's policies are with regards to enforcing punishment. They have complained many times that the system is somewhat ridiculous in that a player can be banned just as easily for calling for reports as they can be for hate speech. They are referring specifically to how when a player is at Punishment Tier 3, even a relatively "minor" infraction can result in a permanent suspension, making it, in their argument, akin to hate speech. From what I've seen, most of the times it's been said, someone has stepped in and contradicted it immediately, but the fact that it is being said so often likely was causing quite a bit of confusion.

Dominick DestineMar 30, 20172 votes

{quoted}

There is a person on the Boards who posts both frequently and vocally here in PB&M regarding how unfair and inconsistent Riot's policies are with regards to enforcing punishment.

... am I being referenced?!

OnlyYouCanHearMeMar 30, 20171 votes

Surely you noticed that I deliberately refrained from mentioning any names, or indeed from giving any details specific enough to allow someone to be able to identify the player being referenced. That was again, deliberate, as it would be incredibly rude to hold any manner of discussion regarding another player without them being present to speak for themselves on the matter. More pointedly, the identity of the player is somewhat irrelevant to the discussion, with only their posting regarding how calling for reports was akin to hate speech/zero tolerance being pertinent. Nami was curious as to where that had been seen. I answered.

That being said, since you are here and asking, I will say that no, I am not referring to you.

Dominick DestineMar 31, 20172 votes

{quoted}

I am not referring to you.

Sad days.

Dominick DestineMar 30, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1NGnychF,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-29T22:13:29.224+0000)

I'm sorry, where did you see this?

Surely thou jests.

It is INCREDIBLY common for people in-game and sometimes in-boards to say "Calling for reports is a bannable offense".

Deep Terror NamiMar 30, 201711 votes

The same as hate speech? Absolutely not. I have never seen anyone suggest they are treated the same.

Dominick DestineMar 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1NGnychF,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-03-30T05:00:41.732+0000)

The same as hate speech? Absolutely not.

What you consider it is irrelevant. What matters to the player base is "Can I get banned for this".

Your argument falters.

Deep Terror NamiMar 30, 20176 votes

What you consider it is irrelevant.

It's relevant because that (whether any players consider it the same ) is the point I am addressing...

eldurisMar 29, 20175 votes

This is how I imagined it worked. Thanks for taking the time to clarify, Tantram.

AMYS GRAVEMar 29, 20172 votes

I'm not sure who's equating report begging with hate speech, but thanks.

Also a single 'report xx' isn't punishable sure, but if someone does it constantly?

Telephone BoothMar 31, 20171 votes

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I'm not sure who's equating report begging with hate speech, but thanks.

Also a single 'report xx' isn't punishable sure, but if someone does it constantly?

If someone does it constantly in the same match, that would be considered harassment I'm pretty sure. I'm glad they don't just treat it like it's black and white. Gotta take these things on a case by case basis and use common sense to tell whether it's negative, or a legitimate concern of a player hoping more people report because someone broke the rules. I'd say in most cases, calling more than twice would be considered harassment. Most cases.

ChønklordMar 30, 20171 votes

#https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/fwsZB15t-calling-riot-tantram-please-respond

ModPeriscopeMar 30, 20171 votes

Maybe out of 20 games a week, you've reported at least one person in 10 of those games. That's 10 reports a week.

What...

If you report one person in 10 games, that's 1 person (at least) in 10 games (1:10). Multiply both parts of this ratio, and you get 2 reports per 20 games (2:20).

ChønklordMar 30, 20171 votes

Either I'm tired and you're right, or you're tired and I'm right....

20 games a week. 10 reports made out of those 20 games per week. Therefore, 10 reports per week?

1 (week) x 10 (players reported) = 10 reports per week?

ModPeriscopeMar 30, 20173 votes

Unsheath your 89.

ModPeriscopeMar 30, 20171 votes

It all depends on how you interpret the sentence. How I viewed it: you reported just one person in ten matches, as in 1 summoner out of 90 summoners throughout the first ten games. But I see what you're saying. minor point. not important.

OnlyYouCanHearMeMar 30, 20173 votes

I cannot math... but I really was hoping this was referencing a TI-89. Then again.... maybe I shouldn't admit that I'm old enough to have had a TI-89....

ModPeriscopeMar 31, 20173 votes

Totally is.

OnlyYouCanHearMeMar 31, 20173 votes

neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd <3

AMYS GRAVEMar 31, 20172 votes

Whats sad is that i'm reading this thinking how i own an 83, 86, and 89... wow.

ModPeriscopeApr 1, 20171 votes

What's an 86? Is that like a Game Gear or something?

SheathMar 30, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1NGnychF,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-29T21:04:59.627+0000) Riot doesn't define what is acceptable/unacceptable. It is the player base that decides that.

I don't believe that, lol

EvilMerodachMar 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1NGnychF,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-29T21:04:59.627+0000)

That post can be a little confusing.

The post was made to address confusion players had, thinking that asking for reports was akin to hate speech / zero tolerance and directly resulted in a ban. This is not true. But, asking for reports CAN be a way of harassing players. In that case, the system can detect that you are using it as a means of harassment. A single 'report xx' isn't going to cause a penalty. But calling someone a feeder for having a poor game, telling people to report them for int'ing, etc .. is all going to be considered negative.

Riot doesn't define what is acceptable/unacceptable. It is the player base that decides that. Our systems learn from our players. Just like how players taught the system that GGEZ is pretty BM, players also taught the system that 'report xxx for int'ing' when they are not, is also negative.

I admit that the recent post was rather confusing.

Actually really glad for that clarification.

Found it kind of frustrating when you had an afk that wasn't straight obvious afk to enemy team.

EG: Having a Teemo that starts putting mushrooms in useless places (like inside spawn pool), and spamming /L every time you die/recall, because he's 'done'. Enemy team can possibly not even notice that at all, as some of his old mushrooms, (pre-trolling/afking phase) are still out there and they might bump into those for quite a while after the Teemo stopped being actively useful for the team.

I know 'one report is enough.' But sometimes it just feels better to let enemy know that it was a 4v5, and they can stop gloating now....

ChønklordMar 30, 20171 votes

The community overall as a whole believes 'report calling / lobbying for mass reports' is a form of harassment, though. There is literally zero justification to ever lobby reports against someone.

Riot Tantram (NA) 2 months ago in > Permabanned for saying "..." [. . .] Asking for reports is considered harassment by the community. [. . .]

Sure, in your case it was obvious that the teemo was afk/trolling/griefing in your game, but that isn't always the case.

Also, even that being said (about the teemo) -- lobbying for reports still could result in more passive-aggressive griefing, or harassment, or any other number of toxic chat related negativity simply because players' focus is shifted onto that player's bad behavior through chat.

#https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/fwsZB15t-calling-riot-tantram-please-respond?comment=0001000000000001

EvilMerodachMar 31, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bôôsted Bonobo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1NGnychF,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000060000,timestamp=2017-03-30T23:59:20.105+0000)

The community overall as a whole believes 'report calling / lobbying for mass reports' is a form of harassment, though. There is literally zero justification to ever lobby reports against someone.

Sure, in your case it was obvious that the teemo was afk/trolling/griefing in your game, but that isn't always the case.

Also, even that being said (about the teemo) -- lobbying for reports still could result in more passive-aggressive griefing, or harassment, or any other number of toxic chat related negativity simply because players' focus is shifted onto that player's bad behavior through chat.

#https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/fwsZB15t-calling-riot-tantram-please-respond?comment=0001000000000001

Thanks for the info, but my thought was moreso something along the lines of post game lobby saying something along the lines of 'Please report teemo for afk. He sat in spawn pool spamming mushrooms for the last XX minutes of game.'

Or if enemy is siege/starving us, when they could clearly just end, and being rude in chat, or spamming mastery emotes and whatnot. I might say 'Guys it's 4v5, Teemo is standing in spawn spamming mushrooms, please end and report him.'

ChønklordMar 31, 20171 votes

Post game, sure. No biggy. I mean, more reports aren't going to do anything, since all you need is your one report to flag them and get the game/chat reviewed. But yea, post game is more acceptable since it's not directly negatively influencing the game as it happens.

Everything you're saying are reportable offenses; what I'm saying is _there's no need to lobby mass reports on anyone, ever. You only need one report.

EvilMerodachMar 31, 20171 votes

Yeh, I know you only need 1. It's more about feels. Like would you rather have the 20/0/10 enemy Zed be like 'I FKED U GUIZ SO HARD LOLOLO' Or be like 'sry about 4v5, will report Teemo'

I mean..yeh, most likely if enemy is gonna BM, they are going to BM regardless. But every once and a while I've had someone change their tone when they find out it was a 4v5... It's kinda nice, and makes a 4v5 way less tilting for your next game.

Kei143Mar 29, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot NaKyle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PzY1ArN3,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-28T20:40:08.939+0000)

If a player used asking for reports as a leaping off point for actual harassment, that's when we'd blow the whistle.

This is the part (2nd sentence) is where people aren't reading correctly.

The clickbait title and the first sentence makes people jump to conclusions. Me included (until I read the post 3 times or so to understand the whole thing).