Is this permanent ban material?

Hughe G Rection·Aug 9, 2018·1 votes·2,594 views

Below is my chat log from a game I was permanently banned after. I went into the lobby asked if everyone is OK with their roles or obviously if they were all filled or anything because it was ranked and I wanted the best chance of winning. Everyone said they were OK so I picked driven as an ADC . Immediately I was called Tyler one wanna be in the game so afterwards I posted little Tyler 1.com discount code alpha after every kill or escaped gank as a joke. And then my jungler came to my land and immediately left when they were 3 people there after my support died so I was signed to defend a tower and I got dove, I proceeded to say that was a dumb play or retarded player stupid play something of that sort and our lane was winning pretty well that they kept leading help any Warwick refused to help because he thought Iwas a tyler1 want to be. And then he entered kills to the Caitlyn whom I was playing against and said I thought you were winning lanquist and mark and laughing and spanning his mastery. So then I retaliated by saying he was dumb and he didn't want to win so there's no point in trying. And I guess the team rallied behind him with what he said after a muted everyone and they all reported me for verbal abuse.

88 Comments

ModThe DjinnAug 9, 20187 votes

No chat log seems to be posted here, so it's hard to say. If you're calling anything "retarded" though, or retaliating with insults, then yes, it is a deserved punishment. If you had a prior 14-day ban that would earn you a permanent ban.

disregardableAug 9, 20185 votes

Insulting your teammates is against the rules. You were warned, via previous punishments, that continuing to break the rules would result in a perma ban, so this shouldn't come as a surprise.

OleandervineAug 9, 20185 votes

Yes, that's bannable. Plus you were spamming some kind of website with a discount code. That's definitely bannable.

SaberRattlerAug 9, 20184 votes

I would hope that child inherited at least one or two marbles that would incline them to talk to an authority figure.

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Holy shit your right,guess riot finally took their heads out of their asses.but,what your basically saying is that it takes a well written ticket just to get an inting player banned,just a report wont do anything,that's pretty bad isn't it?so basically you can int every game,but until someone wrights a well written ticket and riot looks at it,you won't get punished. Still kind of bad.I just have nightmares of the 0% wr nunu that inted on nunu 100+ games in a row,yikes

Isn't life that like? Should be a life skill. It's style AND substance. If you can;t make a cohesive argument beyond "they inted" "bad player" and your ticket is just full of rage gibberish, why should you expect a favorable outcome?

I was on an international flight the other day. Some person was railing about missed connections poor service and berating a customer service agent. They didn't get any help beyond what was required by the terms and agreements of their ticket. I was courteous, explained my problem, asked about alternatives, and the airlines went above and beyond to get me a new ticket, upgraded, and free accommodations. They were in no way obligated to, even though I was on the same flight.

The same thing applies to something as simple as getting a wrong order at a local burger place. If all you're going to do is berate the cashier, you'll probably have security called on you. If you're well-reasoned, courteous, you'll get awesome service. May not happen every time, but you'll be surprised by the frequency.

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

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I would hope that child inherited at least one or two marbles that would incline them to talk to an authority figure.

The people that don't say anything at the moment someone does something wrong to them are the people that hold grudges and turn into psychopaths because when they finally do go off and say something they've gone away to far. Me on the other hand I let it out so I Even therapist say don't bottle it all up inside. Me ?? Idon't get that far I let them know immediately but I got banned for it?

Silent GravityAug 9, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=a6igBaVH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-20T00:30:40.420+0000)

Everything is practice.

Everything is building the habits of the person you're becoming.

If, when confronted with something frustrating, you break out in anger. You're training yourself to break out in anger more fiercely and at less provocation.

If, when you're confronted by the same situation, you control your responses, then you're training yourself to be controlled in the future in the face of even more provocation.

I am very specifically NOT saying that you should never express your emotions, or that the correct action in any frustrating situation is inaction. But, in the situations where action is required, having clouded thinking and mindlessly reacting will often produce unproductive action.

You can say to yourself, "I am angry" or "I am afraid" and because of that I am going to take this or that specific action. Deciding your own actions in response to a set of stimuli is a very powerful thing.

League can be very frustrating. Anything you focus time and attention on can be frustrating. Making little carvings can be frustrating when you make a mistake or someone accidentally sets a large book on an almost finished piece. Parenting is frustrating.

Choosing a response that creates the best outcome for yourself, the person you're interacting with, your team, and the environment of the game as a whole is a goal that sounds good to me. Choosing a different response sounds sub-optimal.

A long time ago, someone told me to "do everything on purpose". I have yet to come across a situation where that wasn't a good idea.

When you're feeling frustrated, I suggest expressing that emotion to someone important to you. Anything that is important to you and you care about is worth discussing with those you love. While my father was still alive we discussed everything. Choose wise people to share with. They can help you learn how to interact with your emotions.

TheKingOfBichesAug 9, 20182 votes

It is but it shouldn't be

Jo0oAug 9, 20183 votes

Explain.

TheKingOfBichesAug 9, 20182 votes

He "insulted and "flamed" his teammates.his teammates could've simply ignored or muted,not play fucking victim because they refused to do that.

Jo0oAug 9, 20184 votes

So if you decide to flame your teammates, it’s their fault for experiencing emotions that you’re explicitly aiming to elicit?

TheKingOfBichesAug 10, 20182 votes

They have the mental option to ignore so they wouldn't feel emotions in the first place.

HalcyonDwellerAug 10, 20182 votes

You can't be un-willing to use restraint and self control and then turn around and expect other people to do so in your stead. If you aren't willing to control your temper and keep from harassing people then you can't really expect them to have that self control and mute you instead of getting upset.

You can't just hold those conflicting stances... unless you're okay with looking like a hypocrite.

TheKingOfBichesAug 10, 20182 votes

Oh I'm perfectly fine with letting them have no self control,but when thats the reason i get banned(flaming) Is when i get pissed.

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

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Shukr4nAug 9, 20185 votes

Yes deserved

ModThe DjinnAug 9, 201810 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hughe G Rection,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-09T19:46:57.119+0000)> Hughe G Rection: retarded jungkler Hughe G Rection: our jungkler is stupid Hughe G Rection: trash jungler Hughe G Rection: we cant win with an inting jungler Hughe G Rection: BE MORE USEFUL THAN WW PLEASE Hughe G Rection: hard stuck silver

Yeah, if you have prior punishments this would push you over, absolutely. You do NOT get to insult other players just because they're playing in a way you dislike, making decisions you think are bad, or even outright intentionally feeding. The rule is simple: don't insult people.

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20182 votes

So if I ran it down mid but never typed I went get banned?

disregardableAug 9, 20185 votes

in one game? yes.

if you ran it down mid every game, you'd still get banned, though.

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

Okay so what about once every 4 games like the jungler I had?

SaberRattlerAug 9, 20186 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hughe G Rection,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=00010002000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-09T19:57:53.571+0000)

Okay so what about once every 4 games like the jungler I had?

You're responsible for your behavior. They are responsible for theirs.

Play the game not the text wall.

ModPeriscopeAug 9, 20188 votes

Others' actions did not cause you to get a permanent ban; if you stay fixated on what others are doing versus what you had typed, you'll just end up permanently banned again.

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

Agreed. But that's technically promoting bullying but not standing up for yourself is it not?

EvilDustManAug 9, 20187 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hughe G Rection,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=0001000200000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-09T20:25:33.020+0000)

Agreed. But that's technically promoting bullying but not standing up for yourself is it not?

Reporting and muting them is standing up.

TheKingOfBichesAug 9, 20182 votes

How is muting standing up for yourself?that's like a highschooler bullying you,and you ignore them.does that mean you "stood up"for yourself?

Silent GravityAug 9, 20185 votes

To "mute" in real life would be to jump on someone and sew their mouth shut, so they physically couldn't talk to you. That's really excessive for "standing up for yourself" and would probably get you charged with assault and battery, perhaps with additional charges related to torture.

The effects of reporting, if they're punished, is hitting them so hard that they're in a coma for two weeks (for a 14 day ban), or (for a permanent ban) they're not allowed to enter the high school anymore.

Or, we could do it your way. When someone bullies you, let's write up a mean note and then read it to the class.

Which set sounds like standing up for yourself?

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=0001000200000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-09T21:12:17.748+0000)

To "mute" in real life would be to jump on someone and sew their mouth shut, so they physically couldn't talk to you. That's really excessive for "standing up for yourself" and would probably get you charged with assault and battery, perhaps with additional charges related to torture.

The effects of reporting, if they're punished, is hitting them so hard that they're in a coma for two weeks (for a 14 day ban), or (for a permanent ban) they're not allowed to enter the high school anymore.

Or, we could do it your way. When someone bullies you, let's write up a mean note and then read it to the class.

Which set sounds like standing up for yourself?

Did you go to high school or a public school all? When a bully bully someone they are looking for approval from their peers to humiliate or make someone feel like they're less of a person. In my experience in the real world is if you show them that you are not going to sit there and take it they won't keep doing it especially if you prove them wrong and for of everyone and they get humiliated themselves and then they realized that their actions were wrong.

Silent GravityAug 9, 20184 votes

So you agree that muting and reporting is the correct action, because that shows that you're not going to sit there and take it, and writing a mean note to "get back at them" is such a silly idea that it would be humiliating to consider seriously?

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=000100020000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-09T21:22:28.151+0000)

So you agree that muting and reporting is the correct action, because that shows that you're not going to sit there and take it, and writing a mean note to "get back at them" is such a silly idea that it would be humiliating to consider seriously?

Hypathetical situation. You have a child your child get bullied in school Your child tries it your way, your child ignores of the bully and just cries himself all the way home. What sure your child to be able to say something about this boy to the class and maybe the bully would realize they did wrong/stop bullying them?

Silent GravityAug 9, 20182 votes

No. Mute and REPORT.

Tell the teachers. Depending on the type of bullying, tell the police. Get them punished.

AneirinAug 9, 20183 votes

Hypathetical situation. You have a child your child get bullied in school

Except we're not children, so this isn't a good comparison already. Do you cry when people troll in league?

your child ignores of the bully

No, your child uses the magical button that makes the bully unable to speak, then tells the teacher and lets them punish the bully.

What sure your child to be able to say something about this boy to the class and maybe the bully would realize they did wrong/stop bullying them?

What magical world do you live in where flaming a troll makes them instantly stop trolling and turn their life around? If anything you're most likely to make the problem worse, since you're giving them exactly the reaction they want.

AneirinAug 9, 20183 votes

In the real world if you say you're going to rob a bank you've committed no crime nothing is wrong

Okay, try tweeting out that you're going to blow up a plane. Show us all that simple words have no consequences in real life.

you have your own opinion you can say what you want freedom of speech

You really need to read up on what that actually means.

TheKingOfBichesAug 9, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=0001000200000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-09T21:12:17.748+0000)

To "mute" in real life would be to jump on someone and sew their mouth shut, so they physically couldn't talk to you.

No?? If you mute someone that means you cant hear what their saying anymore,they can still chat but you can't hear them.

The effects of reporting, if they're punished, is hitting them so hard that they're in a coma for two weeks (for a 14 day ban), or (for a permanent ban) they're not allowed to enter the high school anymore.

Why are you bringing up reporting when i didn't mention it in my comment?

Or, we could do it your way. When someone bullies you, let's write up a mean note and then read it to the class.

Awful comparison.when someone bullies you,you stand up for yourself and talk back to them,that equates to in game.

Which set sounds like standing up for yourself?

Can't even answer that question because you made awful comparisons to my comment

Silent GravityAug 9, 20183 votes

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No?? If you mute someone that means you cant hear what their saying anymore,they can still chat but you can't hear them.

I've got a notebook. If I write in it, you can't read it from your location. That is functionally equivalent to me not writing anything. That's the reason that I'm writing to you on this web page. If I wrote it where you couldn't read, that would be the same thing as not writing anything, yeah?

Why are you bringing up reporting when i didn't mention it in my comment?

You were responding to Evildustman, who had specifically included reporting in his comment. Your attempt to ignore it is a type of response, so I included it in my comment.

Awful comparison.when someone bullies you,you stand up for yourself and talk them down,that equates to in game.

You do know that trolls are looking for reactions, right? Reacting to them is a massive encouragement. You're not going to get any trolls to cease their trolling by giving them what they want.

On the other hand, you could ignore them in game, and then report them afterwords. That is really discouraging to them.

Can't even answer that question because you made awful comparisons to my comment

Let's try again. Would you rather attack a troll's account directly through reporting their actions, or would you rather encourage them by writing a mean note and reading it to the class?

EvilDustManAug 9, 20182 votes

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How is muting standing up for yourself?that's like a highschooler bullying you,and you ignore them.does that mean you "stood up"for yourself?

How is flaming someone standing up for yourself? You don't know the person. They aren't going to convinced by you because of anonymity.

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

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How is flaming someone standing up for yourself? You don't know the person. They aren't going to convinced by you because of anonymity.

Saying someone did a bad play so hopefully they won't do it again is flaming?

EvilDustManAug 9, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hughe G Rection,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=00010002000000000000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-09T22:13:55.702+0000)

Saying someone did a bad play so hopefully they won't do it again is flaming?

Do you believe that calling someone retarded, repeatedly, will make them self reflect and stop making mistakes?

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

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Do you believe that calling someone retarded, repeatedly, will make them self reflect and stop making mistakes?

If riot saw what they did and why I said it and did something yes

EvilDustManAug 9, 20185 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hughe G Rection,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=0001000200000000000000010000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-09T22:45:52.977+0000)

If riot saw what they did and why I said it and did something yes

That is the incorrect answer. No. Under no circumstances will calling someone retarded do anything but make them more upset, annoyed, or mad, and likely cause them to play worse. If it was a troll, then you are simply making the troll happy with your frustration.

ModPeriscopeAug 9, 20185 votes

No, I'm promoting personal responsibility.

TheKingOfBichesAug 9, 20182 votes

No you wouldn't lmfao.all he has to do is not int too hard like 0/20 or buy wierd items like 3 tears and mobility boots then he's fine.

SaberRattlerAug 9, 20183 votes

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No you wouldn't lmfao.all he has to do is not int too hard like 0/20 or buy wierd items like 3 tears and mobility boots then he's fine.

Not if you're in my game ya don't lol. You'll be fine up till Riot gets to my ticket. May take a week or two, but I'm a patient person.

TheKingOfBichesAug 9, 20182 votes

And wtf is riot going to do with your ticket?if he didn't say anything or made it blatantly obvious he was inting riot will just think he had a bad game/played bad.

SaberRattlerAug 9, 20183 votes

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And wtf is riot going to do with your ticket?if he didn't say anything or made it blatantly obvious he was inting riot will just think he had a bad game/played bad.

My experience tells me otherwise. . Ya don't have to type to get banned. I along with others got that player banned for passive behavior in ARAM. That's not SR. That's not a restriction. That's perma. They didn't write a darn thing their whole account history.

If a player plans to purposefully int and wants to avoid getting reported, I hope they have plans to have an account where they do badly even with the champs they enjoy, not excessively ping, and NEVER type a single thing, if they want to use that excuse. >_> Cause an account review doesn't just look at one match.

Not everyone knows how to write a good ticket. There are some that do.

TheKingOfBichesAug 9, 20182 votes

Holy shit your right,guess riot finally took their heads out of their asses.but,what your basically saying is that it takes a well written ticket just to get an inting player banned,just a report wont do anything,that's pretty bad isn't it?so basically you can int every game,but until someone wrights a well written ticket and riot looks at it,you won't get punished. Still kind of bad.I just have nightmares of the 0% wr nunu that inted on nunu 100+ games in a row,yikes

SaberRattlerAug 9, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hughe G Rection,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2018-08-09T19:52:54.561+0000)

So if I ran it down mid but never typed I went get banned?

Nope. Ya can still get banned. Consider that I got someone permabanned for playing passively in ARAM, that's perma not 14-day. Also it's ARAM not SR. They didn't type a single thing, in fact they were banned before and specifically knew not to type.

Also, depends on the circumstances. An account review checks your behavior over multiple games not just one. It's a review of everything you've ever typed that might be of concern: pre-match lobby, match chat, post-match lobby, and personal messages if necessary. Part of it is discretionary on the part of Riot.

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

So if I ran it down mid but never typed I went get banned? So am I hearing insults are bad and bannable but you can intentionally feed and bully people without insults and you are fine.

ModThe DjinnAug 9, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hughe G Rection,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1Ln7FOo3,comment-id=000100020001,timestamp=2018-08-09T19:56:23.866+0000)

So if I ran it down mid but never typed I went get banned? So am I hearing insults are bad and bannable but you can intentionally feed and bully people without insults and you are fine.

Just because one thing is bad does not mean another thing is not bad. Both of those behaviors are also bannable.

Hughe G RectionAug 9, 20181 votes

All I'm saying riot is don't punish people who say so much doing something wrong how about just punishing the people doing wrong to begin with I shouldn't have to screenshot show you the replay and be that precise on getting someone like a troll or something of the sort banned. Why should I have to go through all those extra steps to get a response from riot when also in has to do is click verbal report at the end of game in the instantly get a response to where someone gets banned to instantly. That basically saying you control as long as no one goes through extra hoops to get you reported but if you say something wrong and use your freedom of speech that America has in the Constitution basically what makes America America you can't do that period you go to Korea and do that but we won't have it here in America because we're soft

disregardableAug 9, 20184 votes