sick of people talking to me like this and i cant say nothing back cuz i get chat banned if i do....

OriginalPwner·Mar 18, 2016·3 votes·1,166 views

after a game where i admit i was very bad and ended up feeding the top laner and losing us the game i get this........ him: mental ass ni double g er me: ty him: hope you die from cancer me: for calling me a ni double g er him: you fucking piece of shit

now..... in real life this person would no longer have teeth for speaking to me this way.... but because of the messed up system of riot banning people for RESPONDING to a situation like this....... (which btw anything u say to them after they speak this way to you is totally acceptable)........ u cant say anything to them or do anything..... i think this is wrong and riot needs to fix their banning system.

35 Comments

TrulyBlandMar 18, 20168 votes

Just like you could have been charged with assault, if you punched his teeth out in real life, you get banned for retaliating verbally. Nice analogy, but it's working against you.

LauchmelderMar 18, 20166 votes

If the other guy would "not have any teeth left" after SAYING something to you you need to get anger management. Sorry man

FearEngineerMar 18, 20161 votes

Google 'figure of speech'

LauchmelderMar 18, 20165 votes

I know what figure of speech is. That's not a very good one.

AnomanderMar 18, 20166 votes

now..... in real life this person would no longer have teeth for speaking to me this way....

This alone would put you in jail.

FearEngineerMar 18, 20161 votes

Google 'figure of speech'

darkmatchwaldoMar 18, 20164 votes

Wow if only there was an option that made it so you can't see what anyone says in chat...hmmmmmm

Riot punishes you for flaming back **BECAUSE YOU SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR FLAMING BACK. **

All you're doing is making the situation worse and doing exactly what that guy wanted in the first place. He got a reaction out of you.

OriginalPwnerMar 18, 20163 votes

its not about anger management its about standing up for yourself...... thats a normal reaction to someone speaking to you that way....... im sorry if your some young liberal and believe in whatever but when i grew up and how i was raised is that people dont disrespect u like that and u let them get away with it......... if i wouldve let someone speak to me that way when i was a kid and my dad found out i didnt do anything about it.. he wouldve kicked my ass for not standing up for myself.....

TrulyBlandMar 18, 20167 votes

This is not about being "liberal" or whatever... this is purely about ego. If you wanted to defend yourself, or even if you just wanted to not "let them get away with it", you'd do the thing that is most likely to fix the problem: Mute, report, move on. Retaliating doesn't make them go "Omg, this guy has some balls, better not piss him off anymore, or he will attack me some more over the internet!", retaliation in chat does nothing but serve your ego. Because unless they're as insecure as you are, they will still get away with it, regardless of what you say back.

And frankly, if your dad would have kicked your ass for ignoring a bully... well... I honestly don't know what to say.

OriginalPwnerMar 18, 20162 votes

i can understand that saying something to him doesnt make any difference to him but it makes me feel a hell of a lot better that i stood up for myself....... u dont just ignore bullies thats not how you go about life......... but i grew up in a different era than you obviously and sadly the views of our younger generation are horribly disturbed and this is why we have a bunch of pansy "omg he did this" or "omg he did that" people in this country ...... its just a different time....

TrulyBlandMar 18, 20166 votes

i can understand that saying something to him doesnt make any difference to him but it makes me feel a hell of a lot better that i stood up for myself

And that's why I say, this is only about ego, and therefore ultimately about insecurities. You want to talk about "pansies"? "omg he did this" is pretty much the summary of why you feel the need to respond to them. People that report bullies may be pansies, but then so are people that feel the constant need to prove their worth. The former group of people, however, is at least actually able to solve the problem instead of just trying to feel good about themselves...

OriginalPwnerMar 18, 20162 votes

i dont believe that you are getting the point of what im trying to say........ making yourself feel good about yourself when someone puts you down like this is normal social behavior...... its expected for you to respond to the negative in a way that makes you not feel that the negative defines you or is acceptable in reference to you. look up some behavioral science and you will learn that this is a natural response

how do I baronMar 18, 20167 votes

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i dont believe that you are getting the point of what im trying to say........ making yourself feel good about yourself when someone puts you down like this is normal social behavior...... its expected for you to respond to the negative in a way that makes you not feel that the negative defines you or is acceptable in reference to you. look up some behavioral science and you will learn that this is a natural response

Its taking the high road because its ignoring these low natural instincts and rising ABOVE them using your intellect and reason to not stoop to that level. I am learning this the hard way myself right now as my account just got wrecked due to somewhat similar circumstances but I also realize this and know I am in the wrong.

OriginalPwnerMar 18, 20162 votes

i honor you for taking the so called moral high road but regardless if u do or dont you should have the right to respond to negative comments like this from other players is all im trying to say

how do I baronMar 18, 20163 votes

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i honor you for taking the so called moral high road but regardless if u do or dont you should have the right to respond to negative comments like this from other players is all im trying to say

I completely understand what you mean. Trust me. I have been struggling with this for a while now... Its a shame that we cant just all play and have fun without issues starting to arise in the first place. We all have some improving to do.

TrulyBlandMar 18, 20162 votes

The natural "fight or flight" response (just like the "normal social behaviour") is simply wrong in this scenario, because it is based on evolutionary drives that make absolutely no sense in these circumstances.

It's funny how you jump from normal social behaviour (which included slavery, for various and long periods of time) to natural responses, despite the fact that the societies we built always revolved around governing ourselves to the extend where we suppress natural instincts and instead try to find the optimal solution. Throwing somebody in prison for stealing isn't a natural response. But it's the one that makes sense and is the most beneficial to us.

It's equally funny how you jump from what is "normal" to what is "expected". Because in this environment, which would be Riot's game where they get to make the rules, you are expected to not retaliate and behave like any mature person would.

OriginalPwnerMar 18, 20162 votes

responding is how a some mature people would react to this...... you can believe what you want but im just stating the facts ..... social behavioral science states that a response be given not ignore the person negatively attacking you...... thats just fact

TrulyBlandMar 18, 20163 votes

Tried to avoid overcomplicating the subject for long enough I suppose: You can respond. I respond to negativity very frequently, in fact... part of that reason is that I am very insecure. And still I have never been punished. That's because there's a mature way of responding to them (which is something I among others would call "defending yourself"), and there's also the immature way of retaliating (i.e. defending yourself by attacking the aggressor).

Dumbed down: "You're stupid!" "You're stupider!" = Retaliation "No, I'm not" = Self-defense

Retaliation is what gets you banned. Self-defense does not.

Edit: Also, if you want to state facts, please do so in a grammatically correct way. I'm not one to typically bash grammar, but in this case I literally cannot grasp what you are trying to say (I'm not a native speaker).

FearEngineerMar 18, 20161 votes

TrulyBland you're sort of playing stupid if you couldn't comprehend something that needed a single comma to be coherent -_-

He has a point that retaliation is a natural, reasonable response. It is extremely irritating when people are goaded into saying something back, and then they come here to have some holier-than-thou such as yourself tell them how irrational it is for them to be upset. Try for a little empathy captain self-control~

@OriginalPwner From one rational, hot-blooded player to the next, I understand how you feel. This just boils down to tricking yourself into remembering there are other people watching-- would you want to spout off in front of your friends and family? Or would you do your best to brush it off, keep moving, and agree among yourselves that the instigator was an asshole.

TrulyBlandMar 18, 20162 votes

social behavioral science states that a response be given not ignore the person negatively attacking you

There's clearly a word missing there. I understand that "be given" alone can be used grammatically correct to lead into the next part of the sentence, but if I'm not mistaken, it doesn't make sense in the context. The "not ignore" part is then, regardless of the previous part, not correctly conjugated, which makes it confusing how exactly it fits in the sentence.

The problem is, depending on the way he meant this sentence, the argument can be attacked in different ways, and I'm not getting into a semantic argument of how I didn't understand what he meant, so I won't attack it until i actually know. Especially since I might be missing one way how this might have been meant where I can't actually come up with a counterargument.

Sorry if I come across as non-emptahic... but it feels like the argument of "retaliation should be okay" comes up every half an hour on this forum and it gets kind of tiring to explain why it's not accepted; whether it's a natural response or not, it is neither necessary nor helpful in that situation. Ultimately, it's an understandable reaction. But so are a lot of things that are illegal / against the rules / frowned upon. That's the difference between an explanation and a justification.

FearEngineerMar 18, 20161 votes

Oh yeah I know, it's so hard... You have to pick apart his words so you can pick apart his argument and tell him that what he feels isn't real.

The point of the post is to find some empathy or advice, clearly. You aren't needed~

[slayer-jinx-catface]

TrulyBlandMar 18, 20161 votes

i think this is wrong and riot needs to fix their banning system.

If he came here for empathy or advice he certainly didn't word it this way. Sounded to me like wanted to engage in a discussion (which would also be the primary purpose of a forum).

And it's not about picking apart his words... it's about actually understanding what his argument is so I can respond with literally anything, even if it is "wow, you're actually right" and have this not end up in one of those endless semantic arguments that revolve around one party having misinterpreted something 20 posts back.

AstôlfoMar 18, 20161 votes

He deserves no empathy. The only advice he deserves is to stop being toxic.

FearEngineerMar 19, 20161 votes

You don't come across as jaded at all. LOL

[zombie-brand-clap]

AstôlfoMar 19, 20161 votes

I am jaded after reading through this section continually. What of it? Doesn't make my words any less true.

FearEngineerMar 19, 20161 votes

Nah you're right! Fighting negativity with negativity is very productive and a positive experience for everyone involved. You're not part of the problem at all! Just point you finger like the rest of the toxic players and I'm sure the problems will resolve themselves~

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

OriginalPwnerMar 18, 20162 votes

ty fear...... that makes it easier the way you said that appreciate it ill try and do that from now on

AnomanderMar 18, 20163 votes

I was always taught to never pick a fight but be damn sure to end it.

In this case getting into a pissing contest won't end it. Mute Report and Move on is a Knock Out.

SarutobiMar 18, 20163 votes

I know a number of people have commented on this, but there is a huge different between retaliation and defending yourself. Nowhere in the TOS does it state you can't defend yourself, but what you are expressing is retaliation. Especially when you threaten people like in your analogy guess who would end up in jail?

All in all the best way to get back at someone especially if they are breaking the rules is to mute them to stop them from chatting and being toxic in that game, and then reporting them so that they don't continue to do this in other games.

It's that simple.

OriginalPwnerMar 18, 20161 votes

still if u dont even retaliate but only defend yourself u can be banned if enough people report u.......... i have 10 game chat suspension right now for only defending myself vs comments like this......... because i said to the person "people like you make others not want to play or even try to win" since enough reported me i was chat banned for it i assume they thought i was negative in the game because i "wasnt trying to win"

FearEngineerMar 18, 20163 votes

See, this is where we should really be drawing the line for bans. This is just straight up out-of-game, out-of-context, poor taste trash talk.

Yuck.

alasarcherMar 18, 20163 votes

U mentioned in real life person wouldnt have teeth anymore, meaning u would make something called "Aggravated assault. Now according to law penalty for that can go up to 15 years in prison. And jury doesnt accept "he called me bad names" defense. So its no different from here. Here you can retaliate too, and like in real life, u will be punished for it.

OriginalPwnerMar 18, 20161 votes

for all the people out there that are saying all of this "you will go to jail if you do this" ....... seriously people u think the system is like that u can easily punch someone in the face without going to jail rofl....... idk what u people think but it dont work that way where u just go to jail for everything u do

TrulyBlandMar 18, 20163 votes

You're missing the point, it's not about the specific punishment of going to jail or how likely it is that this happens. The point people are making is that it's assault, which can be punished if the other person presses charges. Just like you can be punished for retaliation in-game if the other person reports you.

OriginalPwnerMar 19, 20161 votes

Hello OriginalPwner,

Thank you for bringing this player’s conduct to our attention. We will investigate their behavior and take the appropriate actions. If you feel as though your life is in danger, please do not hesitate to contact your local authorities.

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ty riot hope it ends well for this person...