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Is this really worthy of a permanent ban?

Kpfuse··4 votes·4,503 views

Title, I tried to add some time stamps and annotations in italics just to help. I realize I said something that was pretty insensitive, but a permanent ban for this?

Game 1 Kpfuse: si Kpfuse: unlimted mana free poke Kpfuse: i think so Kpfuse: malz is so op wtf Kpfuse: this malz supp bullshit got me salty (obviously not directed at another player) ----[^early lane^] **Kpfuse: ? Kpfuse: lol Kpfuse: gj **(we got ganked and got away with a kill) **Kpfuse: na zed Kpfuse: wow Kpfuse: what great luck **(i got greedy and was unlucky) Kpfuse: l bud Kpfuse: k bud (teammate starts flaming me for the mistake) Kpfuse: okay whats your point Kpfuse: yeah and Kpfuse: okay lmfao Kpfuse: %%%got (yeah this was insensitive, I was tilted and made a mistake so I retaliated) Kpfuse: why dont you just stfu Kpfuse: lmfao Kpfuse:
Kpfuse: just report him **Kpfuse: its opk *_(its okay the issue stops here and neither of us say anything to the other)_ ----[^this all happened in 2-3 minutes] _----[radio silence on my part for a good 10 minutes] _ Kpfuse: VAYNE MAN LOL Kpfuse: really balanced 10/10 Kpfuse: yeah and im a tank Kpfuse: its warded Kpfuse: vayne so balanced man Kpfuse: really impressive champ design ----[^late-mid game, vayne gets me satly^] ----[v final push v] Kpfuse: no adc (this wasn't flaming, I was saying we shouldnt push because our adc wasnt with us.) Kpfuse: gg _(actual end of game gg, no negativity) _

There isn't another game provided in the ban, it's just this one. I'm not expecting to be unbanned, I just want to express that this is quite ridiculous. The idea that the game should even try to manage this I find a bit out of place, but if you're going to ban someone from playing the game for saying 1 insensitive thing in a match that's a little crazy.

edit: you don't need to downvote my post i'm just wondering what others think -.-

47 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram15 votes

%%%got

Yes, this is worthy of a perma-ban.

Even if it just resulted in a light chat restriction, it would have been escalated to a perma-ban because of your penalty history.

You have already had 1x10-game chat restriction, 1x25-game chat restriction, and just got off a 14-day ban days ago. So any additional penalty without changing your behavior would result in an immediate perma-ban. You were warned numerous times but chose to ignore those warnings.

Kpfuse3 votes

Thank you for the response, all of that makes sense. Obviously nothing against you since it's not your system, but I personally think the punishment system is a little too crazy/strict.

I think it's pretty clear that the language I used had no merit, as there was no way for me to know the sexual orientation of other players, and neither would I genuinely mean those things. However, it is true that some might mean those things which is why...

I think it would make more sense to pinpoint more legitimate harassment rather than unmerited banter. People trash talk each other in games all the time, sometimes words like that will slip out, like in this instance. Again I understand that I had multiple warnings, although I believe that's the only time i've used language like that. I'm not commenting on the decision of my case, but rather the state of the system in general, as I know some other people, particularly well-known content creators who have quit the game, who also feel that the system is a bit oppressive.

That's my feedback, thanks again.

Not trying to defend myself, I accept the ban and as a very competitive person i'm not really interested in playing a game where trash talk is punished like this and the players are treated like children.

ModPrandine1 votes

{quoted}

Thank you for the response, all of that makes sense. Obviously nothing against you since it's not your system, but I personally think the punishment system is a little too crazy/strict.

I think it's pretty clear that the language I used had no merit, as there was no way for me to know the sexual orientation of other players, and neither would I genuinely mean those things. However, it is true that some might mean those things which is why...

I think it would make more sense to pinpoint more legitimate harassment rather than unmerited banter. People trash talk each other in games all the time, sometimes words like that will slip out, like in this instance. Again I understand that I had multiple warnings, although I believe that's the only time i've used language like that. I'm not commenting on the decision of my case, but rather the state of the system in general, as I know some other people, particularly well-known content creators who have quit the game, who also feel that the system is a bit oppressive.

That's my feedback, thanks again.

Not trying to defend myself, I accept the ban and as a very competitive person i'm not really interested in playing a game where trash talk is punished like this and the players are treated like children.

There's trash talk, and then there's just being a jerk. Even in pro play across all sports people who take it too far are punished either with a fine or a ban or both. From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

Trash talk is part of all competitive sports. It happens all the time in the pros.

Yes and no. Yes, trash talk occurs, but it has definite limits. Most of the things that are punished in game (racial, ethnic and homophobic slurs, sexism, etc.) would also earn you a hefty fine in professional sports.

A Tumblr List of NBA Fines (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/) (My personal favorite on that site is this indefinite suspension (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/post/1010368028/3-12-96-the-nba-suspended-mahmoud-abdul-rauf-den), simply for refusing to stand during the National Anthem.)

A List of NFL Fines for Taunting (http://www.spotrac.com/fines-tracker/nfl/all-years/fines/taunting/)

NBC Article on Fines Agreed to by the NFLPA (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/01/bizarrely-specific-nfl-fines-come-from-agreed-league-union-schedule/) "Excessive profanity or other unsportsmanlike conduct triggers a minimum fine of $10,500."

NHL Office of Player Safety (http://www.nhl.com/ice/eventhome.htm?location=/playersafety) Brendan Shanahan is the ****ing Bad Santa of the NHL. Did you know that his Office of Player Safety watches every minute of every game, from multiple angles? He sees and hears EVERYTHING, including swearing.

... and the grand finale! Marge Schott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_Schott), who was forced out of ownership of the Cincinnati Reds for racist comments and pro-Nazi sentiments.

As far as the system itself, I feel that it's actually pretty reasonable seeing as how it only punishes those who show consistent negative behavior across multiple games (except in extreme cases). In terms of having only 4 levels/tiers of punishment yes it is strict, but that's because Riot wants players to actually put in the work and effort that it takes to reform and get rid of those who choose not to do so quickly.

Kpfuse2 votes

Had I just been flaming people, I would say it was "being a jerk" but since I was just retaliating against someone's insults and toxic comments, I wouldn't go in that direction.

I think it's pretty impractical to compare trash talk in video games to taunting and unsportsmanlike conduct in real life. No one says "gg ez" after a football game and no one says "my team sucks" when they lose in baseball. People have a lot more respect in real life, but not only that, saying something like that in a video game is almost never taken seriously.

Competitive esports of course is the middle ground, and punishing someone for using slurs makes sense since its a sometimes broadcasted and widely viewed form of media. Also, no one will flame their teammates in competitive because they are teammates, they know each other, and their opponents most likely. It is a very different situation when you're playing solo queue in League and someone you don't know calls you out on a mistake that you admitted to and insults you and you retaliate.

Sure i'd say repeated use of homophobic slurs could earn someone a chat ban or a short suspension, but I think general toxicity has no place to be punished, maybe you could inform a player that others have reported them and provide the chat logs.
Worst case, I'd say should be a chat ban if someone is genuinely insulting someone based on something they know about them.

I don't think it's riot's responsibility to be moderating this. What if youtube deleted every comment that was toxic or rude towards producers (i think they do moderate hate speech toward creators and subjects of videos but this is different from saying something offensive to someone random who you know nothing about.) Of course it's their game, and they can run it how they want, but if were going to use that argument might as well not have the boards in the first place.

This is actually interesting because no one would ever say anything like this over voice chat, unless they actually meant it.

Kei1431 votes

{quoted}

Not trying to defend myself, I accept the ban and as a very competitive person i'm not really interested in playing a game where trash talk is punished like this and the players are treated like children.

glad you get the message. you won't be missed.

vOmvbrawfU1 votes

So if 1 line of "%%%got" is worthy of a perma-ban (as you just said even if this was a chat restriction you would have escalated it to a perma), why is it not worth even a 1 day ranked ban to go afk in games? Many many games. Like, what is the equivalent in negative behavior to 1 %%%got? 100 afk games? 200?

ModPrandine

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So if 1 line of "%%%got" is worthy of a perma-ban (as you just said even if this was a chat restriction you would have escalated it to a perma), why is it not worth even a 1 day ranked ban to go afk in games? Many many games. Like, what is the equivalent in negative behavior to 1 %%%got? 100 afk games? 200?

While I agree that Riot can and should do more to punish afkers, keep in mind that not everyone plays ranked, so a ranked ban wouldn't even effect those kinds of people.

Roaranor1 votes

There is another recent thread in which a Rioter responds to a player who was received LPQ from the Leaver Buster system for going afk in a game (they were still there, they just tried to trick the system).

Just as with negative behavior, continuing to do it will certainly result in a perma ban as each instance will escalate your punishment. It's actually a lot easier to get punished for going afk because it's issued by an automatic system without the need for reports and you can still be reported to have it flagged for review.

The only difference is that people who AFK tend to not have a pattern of going AFK, and if they're banned then they don't bother making a post about it because they know exactly what they did and that it was wrong. People frequently make posts about how they were banned for chat because they don't think that what they did was wrong, and kept doing it consistently enough to rack up punishments.

Hope this helps.

vOmvbrawfU1 votes

Ok, so when I hand riot an indisputable case of a player AFKing in games in order to troll teammates, what is the reasoning behind not punishing them? Yes, I still have this player saved on op.gg. Yes, this player is still playing games. Yes, this player is still AFKing in games.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/vAFE5Os1-seriously-how-many-games-do-you-have-to-ruin-before-youre-actually-punished

To be clear, I'm not against the person saying %%%got getting a perma. We shouldn't be tolerable towards hate speech. But, I think you'll find actually punishing trolls would lead to a MASSIVE reduction in "toxicity". I mean, because just simply throwing chat bans on people who "flame" hasn't worked in the 4-5 years they've been on the kick.

Roaranor1 votes

Because perma-ban isn't the first offense for going AFK, same as any other automatically distributed punishment (as opposed to manual review).

You're stalking the players account with a pitchfork, going "We want blood! We want blood!" Riot doesn't tell you the actions they take against players for this very reason. They likely received multiple leaver buster penalties which, if they continue, will result in a 14day and then a perma. This has happened to a friend of mine, so I've seen first hand that they do get punished at about the same pace as someone who is punished for chat.

When a Rioter finds someone who continually AFKs intentionally via a manual review, I can assure they are given more than a LPQ regardless of whether it's their first punishment or not.

The issue I think that you and a lot of other players are having is that you (understandably) believe that players who exhibit negative behavioral patterns in game do not get punished at the same rate as players who exhibit negative behavior in chat. This isn't necessarily the case. Once again, it's more so because people who AFK aren't repeat offenders as often as people who are toxic in chat. You can post examples of 1-in-a-million cases all you want, but it will not change that fact. Even in the chat ban threads, you will see people who say stuff like "This is all you got banned for? I say way worse and have never gotten a penalty at all." I say that to say that there will be a few snowflake cases who slip through for longer than they should, but that happens to every category, not just trolls. It's about consistency.

"I still have AFKs in my games." Well you also still see people who are highly toxic in chat in your games as well, even if no one is actually trolling. If the system punished people as aggressively and with as much bias towards as you believed, wouldn't they be gone as well?

The top comment in the thread you linked had 3 accounts banned for the behavior, so even in the evidence you gave, there's proof that AFKs/ints do get punished. When special cases that slip through the system like that occur, best you can do is bring it to Riot's attention for a manual review just as you did. With as many Rioters that play the games and frequent the forums, it's next to impossible for them to not see it even if it takes a minute to reach the right ears. They still monitor the LeaverBuster system for accuracy, and they're still working to improve it to be able to catch the few cases that slip through.

(And no, Im not the one who downvoted you)

vOmvbrawfU1 votes

In your opinion, how many games of intentionally going AFK warrants punishment?

Roaranor1 votes

What level of punishment are we talking, and how inclusive are you wanting to be with the scenarios?

Personally, I'm fine with punishment starting on the first offense and going LPQ, bigger LPQ, 14-day, perma.

I'd like to see them attack people who intentionally AFK or int more aggressively (including the time frame and # of offenses it takes to flag someone for review), but I guess I can understand why they don't. Firstly, there's not much of a difference between someone d/c'ing and someone legitimately going AFK from the server side. You could try and draw discrepancies, but then AFKers would just adjust their tactics to simulate an accidental or unpreventable d/c.

Then there are players who will falsely report behavior just for the sake of it or to feel better about the loss, rather than only reporting legitimate cases. "Report X for int" when in reality they just had a bad game, or "Report Y for afk" when it was just a 5 minute d/c due to their ISP. But how can a server know these things? Hell, I've seen a Yasuo that was doing worse than anyone on team /all telling the enemy to report someone else for inting just because they kinda sorta halfway lost lane.

So I want them to be more aggressive about their punishments in every category (including inappropriate names because I've seen some pretty abhorrent ones slide by for as long as I cared to check), but at the same time I can't in good conscience want people who just had unfortunate circumstances get punished to that same degree.

What I want more than anything is an intersectional approach towards punishments. If someone rage quits one game and then flames in another, I want that to count as two offenses on a single system, rather than a single offense on two systems. I think that would serve to better vet toxic people from the community than anything.

Idk if any of this answered your question but yeah.

Thevoidwalker3361 votes

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So if 1 line of "%%%got" is worthy of a perma-ban (as you just said even if this was a chat restriction you would have escalated it to a perma), why is it not worth even a 1 day ranked ban to go afk in games? Many many games. Like, what is the equivalent in negative behavior to 1 %%%got? 100 afk games? 200?

or how scripters can go months playing the game n not get banned but a bad mouth gets perma banned faster then a cheater..............................

Mig891 votes

Do you not understand the difference between hate speech and ruining someone's game? One of those is clearly worse than the other and they're not comparable.

vOmvbrawfU1 votes

Yeah, one is worse. It's the one that I can't just click a lil mute button to fix.

Lithillya1 votes

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So if 1 line of "%%%got" is worthy of a perma-ban (as you just said even if this was a chat restriction you would have escalated it to a perma), why is it not worth even a 1 day ranked ban to go afk in games? Many many games. Like, what is the equivalent in negative behavior to 1 %%%got? 100 afk games? 200?

He's not saying he would've escalated it past a chat restriction. He's saying that because the player in question just got off a 14 day ban, any additional punishment, whether it'd normally only have been a 10 game chat restriction, would've resulted in a permanent ban. When you've had a 14 day ban, the next time you get a punishment, it'll result in a permanent ban.

ShaolinToilet1 votes

How do I keep myself from being toxic when someone spam missing pings me after I die? It's really frustrating is anyone working on pings and how they affect player behavior?

Mabuto1 votes

If I had a 10 game chat restriction, got off, and some time later got a perma ban, would that still be worthy of a perma? This happened many months ago and I'm still confused about it. The game that perma'd me I refused to play my role, in short. (I know, obviously a big mistake as I have now realized by all of Boards telling me so) Wouldn't that have escalated to at most a 2-week ban?

I think I made a board post about this if details needed.

Thanks in advance!

elduris10 votes

Does it warrant a punishment? Yeah, for sure. Now had you come off of a 14 day ban recently? If so, you should know your next punishment would be a permanent ban.

SwainLaneWinGame3 votes

You deserve the punishment.

Hate speech / homophobic slurs is not something tolerated in League, nor in most societies.

Learn to become a better person, and treat others with respect.

Kpfuse1 votes

Yes I do deserve the punishment, not the subject of the thread.

I do treat others with respect, if they attack me in a video game I will argue back, no one's feelings will be hurt at the end of the day. Sure slurs will not be tolerated in society, again much different than when it's said in a video game where both people have no clue about the other. If someone is offended by the word, they are simply offended by the fact that it exists and this person reminded them of that, the other person means no offense unless they are actually aware of someone's sexuality or race and directly say something to them about that as a threat.

Not saying it's okay to use language like that, and I shouldn't have done it, but should I be punished in THIS WAY? Is it Riot's place? See above for the discussion on this.

SwainLaneWinGame1 votes

I do treat others with respect, if they attack me in a video game I will argue back, no one's feelings will be hurt at the end of the day.

If you treated others with respect, you wouldn't be using that kind of language/words. Only you control the words and actions you display to others. You're not in the minds of other people, and you don't know if it does affect someone else when say hurtful things.

Sure slurs will not be tolerated in society, again much different than when it's said in a video game where both people have no clue about the other.

Did we magically transport to a different dimension when playing a video game? pinches self No, nope, still here on planet earth, while playing League. Just because "it's a video game" is not a valid excuse to be an asshole.

Not saying it's okay to use language like that, and I shouldn't have done it, but should I be punished in THIS WAY? Is it Riot's place? See above for the discussion on this.

Yes, you should. Whether due to Riot's rules, or society's rules, it's called "zero tolerance" for hate speech, et al. When people realize this kind of behavior and speech won't be tolerated (either in a game or in real life), then everyone will know that the consequences are real, and it is wrong to behave and talk that way.

Not only because of consequences, but because it is wrong. Respect others, both humankind and otherwise. That's just being a decent human being. Talking like this, is not being decent.

Lil Lewd Witch2 votes

Well, derogatory terms and slurs like you used are automatically going to trigger worse punishments. Plus this wouldnt be your first offense of toxic behavior in chat for it to be a permanent. Plus, retaliation is never going to fly as an excuse with the admins/auditors, I know this because I have asked them about this because I got a 10 game chat restriction for a single game where I was defending myself. I was very kind about it was the issue and it also doesnt matter. Flaming is flaming.

Take it from me, someone who is a super salty player. Riot gives you TONS of chances to reform your behaviors, if you don't well....bye.

Kpfuse1 votes

I only got one other chance, I got a short suspension based on 2 games which I wouldn't argue were worthy of a ban either, they were worse though.

Not trying to defend my behavior, but I can only hope that the other player who I was communicating with got an equal punishment since he was equally as attacking towards me which is why I retaliated.

I think it's absurd that they should even be moderating the game in this way, people can deal with their own issues, that's why we have the option to mute others. Toxicity from players is inevitable in video games, everyone gets upset and people say things they don't mean. Banning people won't create a less toxic community because it's inevitable that people will get upset and argue.

Lil Lewd Witch3 votes

{quoted}

I only got one other chance, I got a short suspension based on 2 games which I wouldn't argue were worthy of a ban either, they were worse though.

Not trying to defend my behavior, but I can only hope that the other player who I was communicating with got an equal punishment since he was equally as attacking towards me which is why I retaliated.

I think it's absurd that they should even be moderating the game in this way, people can deal with their own issues, that's why we have the option to mute others. Toxicity from players is inevitable in video games, everyone gets upset and people say things they don't mean. Banning people won't create a less toxic community because it's inevitable that people will get upset and argue.

Im gonna have to say I don't believe that. I use to be, and sometimes still can be, a very salty player(getting better about it!). But Ive never used slurs or derogatory terms - I've gone through the 10, 25, 50 game with chat restrictions and even gone through 25 ranked game bans and a 7 day suspension. Other factors are again, WHAT you said. How you flamed someone makes a difference. You used a homophobic slur in this chat log, and Riot has an extremely strong stance on no tolerance for that - Next, how close were the punishments, the closer they are together, the more harsh the punishment. If you did several of these in a row, Riot probably deemed you had no interest in correcting your behavior and then issued the permanent.

I can't say for sure, Im just one of the players. But Ive run up and down on the wrong side of player support and have a pretty good bit of experience with how Riot deals with these matters.

Your best option is to start over and change your in game behavior or submit a support ticket, though I don't think I've ever heard of permanents being overturned without proof of an actual mistake not just because "ill do better"

Kpfuse1 votes

This is only the second punishment, they were close together though.

Your points make sense to me, still seems ridiculous to me that they police the game this way. Thanks for the advice.

Thevoidwalker3361 votes

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Im gonna have to say I don't believe that. I use to be, and sometimes still can be, a very salty player(getting better about it!). But Ive never used slurs or derogatory terms - I've gone through the 10, 25, 50 game with chat restrictions and even gone through 25 ranked game bans and a 7 day suspension. Other factors are again, WHAT you said. How you flamed someone makes a difference. You used a homophobic slur in this chat log, and Riot has an extremely strong stance on no tolerance for that - Next, how close were the punishments, the closer they are together, the more harsh the punishment. If you did several of these in a row, Riot probably deemed you had no interest in correcting your behavior and then issued the permanent.

I can't say for sure, Im just one of the players. But Ive run up and down on the wrong side of player support and have a pretty good bit of experience with how Riot deals with these matters.

Your best option is to start over and change your in game behavior or submit a support ticket, though I don't think I've ever heard of permanents being overturned without proof of an actual mistake not just because "ill do better"

problem is ppl dont get banned for harrassing just neg report so why even bother having 5 other reports if u only use one in the first place...

its getting to the point where i mute the whole team before i start playing cuz they can say w\e the hell they want to me harrass or flame dont matter n they seem to not get punished even if i report...but when i try n communicate by saying we should do this n that oh no im being toxic now so i get reported n get punished..... so if riot wants a no communication soloq experience thats what ill give em :/

lmao if they are attacking you n harrassing you n u slur that crap at them n they get "hurt" by it then we have a problem they should be able to take it as much as they dish it.......

now i can see if you just spat it out at some person w\o agitating a person then ya id see it to punish but cmon if two ppl are fighting back n forth like gd.........

Maximum Morde2 votes

yes

Kpfuse1 votes

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yes

I expect you want me to believe that you have never used offensive language before, or that you are also banned now and agree with the verdict.

Maximum Morde1 votes

I've broken the summoners code plenty of times, just spread across enough accounts that none of them flags heavily enough to actually be punished.

If you don't game the system, the system games you.

nerak232 votes

We can read! Why do people feel the need to editorialize?

I'm not going to list the things you did against the rules! Yes You do deserve a perma-ban! What most people don't realize is the history you must have to get a permanent ban!

Sorry >Kpfuse Everyone needs to see post like this and understand that others can't know what your thinking ( italics ) .

Kpfuse1 votes

There are some things that can be easily mis-interpreted out of context, that's why I used the annotations, sorry if they're distracting. If there is a "list" of thing that I did wrong I'd appreciate if you would let me know, as far as I can tell there's only one actual offense to the rules/summoners code, as they put it.

Lil Lewd Witch2 votes

{quoted}

There are some things that can be easily mis-interpreted out of context, that's why I used the annotations, sorry if they're distracting. If there is a "list" of thing that I did wrong I'd appreciate if you would let me know, as far as I can tell there's only one actual offense to the rules/summoners code, as they put it.

How is calling someone a "F*****" taken out of context? Especially when you admit you know it was wrong?

Kpfuse1 votes

That part probably wouldn't be mis-understood, I imagine it might be helpful to understand the situation though. I'd still appreciate that list of things I did wrong in this short chat log though, I'm curious; I must be missing something.

Magical Player1 votes

{quoted}

That part probably wouldn't be mis-understood, I imagine it might be helpful to understand the situation though. I'd still appreciate that list of things I did wrong in this short chat log though, I'm curious; I must be missing something.

Hate speech- %%% Harassment-asking for reports both are punishable in their own right

Kpfuse1 votes

"Hate speech" sure we've established that, is asking for reports really against the code? If so this policing is worse than I thought.

If those are the only 2 things and one is questionable even if it is against the "code," i'm not sure why others are claiming there's a list of things I did wrong. Interesting. Seems some people are brainwashed by Riot's behavioral punishment system.

Instead of immediately assuming i'm the worst person on the planet because I've been banned, try to look at the big picture. People are blindly following this system and those who are downvoting my posts simply because i'm asking questions only proves this more.

ModPrandine1 votes

{quoted}

"Hate speech" sure we've established that, is asking for reports really against the code? If so this policing is worse than I thought.

If those are the only 2 things and one is questionable even if it is against the "code," i'm not sure why others are claiming there's a list of things I did wrong. Interesting. Seems some people are brainwashed by Riot's behavioral punishment system.

Instead of immediately assuming i'm the worst person on the planet because I've been banned, try to look at the big picture. People are blindly following this system and those who are downvoting my posts simply because i'm asking questions only proves this more.

Report calling is considered harassment for a number of reasons.

  1. It only takes one report to flag a game for review; extra reports don't change how fast a game gets reviewed.
  2. Calling for reports is basically just using the threat of a report to try to get someone to give you your way.
Kpfuse1 votes

{quoted}

Report calling is considered harassment for a number of reasons.

  1. It only takes one report to flag a game for review; extra reports don't change how fast a game gets reviewed.
  2. Calling for reports is basically just using the threat of a report to try to get someone to give you your way.

I understand it only takes one, but others in this thread seem to be under the impression that i've done multiple things wrong.
I didn't threaten anyone with reports I was communicating with the others on my team, and I didn't ask for anything, that was simply my resolution to the issue.

Magical Player1 votes

Asking for reports is considered harassment it also leads to a general negative attitude by the user

As far as you being downvoted this is an individual case, you're not a general case Down voting keeps your chat logs off the front page If you want to ask questions repost without your logs and just ask the questions.

Those are the 2 things that I can easily see others see more than I do, I accept that but riot doesn't need a list of 50 things to issue a punishment they can do it off 1 in your case hate speech is enough to get a large punishment the report is just icing on the cake type of deal

Kpfuse1 votes

I wouldn't consider that instance of resolving an issue with a report (not intended as a threat) as considered to be harassment, i'm quite sure no one in the game felt attacked by that.

Unfortunately asking these questions without logs as a context would not be very beneficial to anyone.

Again, people keep saying there's more that I did wrong but no one will provide any examples. The idea that one instance of hate speech is worthy of a permanent ban is the entire premise of the thread, restating that it is without any supporting examples or evidence is not going to provide anything to the discussion.

TimoDerBeste1 votes

Of course you are banned. Because you are the good players and riot needs those 80% of the trash to pay for its income lol

Kpfuse2 votes

I'm confused but I do agree that half of the toxicity of league is players abusing the existence of the behavioral report system, kissing up to riot, and never challenging the system in place. If that's what you were getting at.

Stop Monsanto1 votes

You did not wish cancer or death on anyone, so no definitely not worth perma ban, You were not a troll or afker etc. Riot logic.

ModPrandine1 votes

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You did not wish cancer or death on anyone, so no definitely not worth perma ban, You were not a troll or afker etc. Riot logic.

Permaban worthy? No. Punishment worthy? Yes. Remember that he had just gotten off of a 14-day ban and still displayed poor behavior that warranted a punishment, which in this case was a permaban.

Kpfuse1 votes

Makes sense here I guess, still seems a bit unnecessary though.

ModPrandine

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Makes sense here I guess, still seems a bit unnecessary though.

Think of the Instant Feedback System as working on a 4-strike system. Every time you get punished without proving that you've reformed enough that's a strike and you get escalated to the next available punishment, and 4 strikes means you're out, which is exactly what happened here.

BigBellBrute1 votes

An easy answer to an easy question.

Is this really worthy of a ban?

Yes.

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