@The_Curator: So I got banned for saying "Riven mains need to ***"

ShinkoSatoi·Jul 14, 2016·1 votes·641 views

What is the logic in this? I didn't even get a warning just a straight 7 days ban. It's not a permaban so I am not evading the ban or anything but seriously... Explain to me how to say something directed at absolutely no one in particular gets me a 7 day ban?

It's doesn't say anywhere in the UNIVERSAL RULES that you can't say lets say "ISIS terrorists need to die", or are you going to ban me for "wishing" the death of a terror group?

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ModMod CuratorJul 14, 20169 votes

I'll direct you to this:

The Golden Rule

Always be respectful to players, community members, moderators, and Rioters. Harassment and insults will not be tolerated (“just playing” is NOT a catch-all excuse).

Wishing death on a group of people/players is unacceptable on the Boards and will be removed.

YumScrumptious96Jul 14, 20161 votes

I've never seen a mod strike down a player with just words before.

ShinkoSatoiJul 14, 20161 votes

I am fine with being it removed but why the straight ban with no warnings?

ModMod CuratorJul 14, 20164 votes

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I am fine with being it removed but why the straight ban with no warnings?

Not everything that gets removed does so with a warning. Some offenses are such that they go straight to a suspension per Riot's policies. This is one of those offenses.

ShinkoSatoiJul 14, 20161 votes

If its such policy why isn't it on the UNIVERSAL RULES?

ModMod CuratorJul 14, 20164 votes

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If its such policy why isn't it on the UNIVERSAL RULES?

Riot doesn't state all of their punishment levels per violation either in-game or here on the Boards. However, I have explained how the system generally works on the Boards just as they've explained how it generally works in-game. At times, discretion may be used to move up or down the ladder of punishments in both places but only for more minor violations.

ShinkoSatoiJul 14, 20161 votes

So basically there are many different ways to punish an offense even if it goes under the same rule violation?

Does that make sense? Wouldn't it add clarity to add another rule with a higher punishment?

And for the record I said it in a jokingly manner in a thread that no one mentioned Riven btw.

AraMoOseJul 14, 20163 votes

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So basically there are many different ways to punish an offense even if it goes under the same rule violation?

Does that make sense? Wouldn't it add clarity to add another rule with a higher punishment?

And for the record I said it in a jokingly manner in a thread that no one mentioned Riven btw.

Please stop making excuses. Don't say awful things like that. Grow up.

ModMod CuratorJul 15, 20164 votes

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So basically there are many different ways to punish an offense even if it goes under the same rule violation?

Does that make sense? Wouldn't it add clarity to add another rule with a higher punishment?

Making multiple levels of rules adds complexity, not clarity. Clarity is "Don't do X or you'll be punished" and the only thing that changes with that is that if you continue to do it the punishment escalates. This is not an uncommon or ineffective way of dealing with behaviors. If you don't care about the punishment and do it again, then continuing to give someone the same punishment forever does nothing to prevent that behavior. Punishments necessarily escalate up a chain until you're permanently suspended for continued violations. Again, some violations start at a higher punishment than others due to their severity, as in this case. There are no warnings for saying such an extremely inappropriate statement.

And for the record I said it in a jokingly manner in a thread that no one mentioned Riven btw.

It doesn't matter. You made the statement. It got removed and punished.

As stated, further discussion can be directed at Riot as you're getting into the decisions behind why rules are made and that is their purview. Moderators enforce and explain their rules, which I've done.

MarshbouyJul 14, 20163 votes

You were toxic and rude.

how would you like it if i told you that if you mained X champion you need to die?

ShinkoSatoiJul 14, 20161 votes

I got a ban on the grounds "Wishing death to people is no joke". There is absolutely no segment in UNIVERSAL RULES that say anything regarding this, because the ban was issued under "wishing death to people is against the rules". What you are referring goes under "personal attacks" which I didn't make.

There are lots of rude people in the boards, borderline toxic... you should know about that since you have been dealing with a troll but they never get this treatment.

MaxDarkwillJul 14, 20161 votes

You could wish someone to step on lego'S but I'm banned because of smack talking feeders

redniwediSJul 14, 20162 votes

Two things. First Riot has full rights to punish you in any way they see fit, for any reason. That's kind of part of the agreement you made with them by hitting Accept after each major patch.

Secondly Riot has large, blanket rules that allow them to cover very large ideas with no loopholes. If they are not careful and get a bad batch of moderators this could end up being a huge problem, but with the right group of moderators you can punish based on the spirit of the rules, rather than the letter.

And that's what you broke. It might not be outlined specifically in the rules, but you broke what those rules represent, and Riot has full rights to give you what they think you deserve.

Just be a nice person next time, alright?

ShinkoSatoiJul 14, 20161 votes

Which brings unfair rulings overall, the spirit of the law applies when there is not enough documentation on the issue.

What isn't forbidden is allowed. Have you heard of that?

In any case if I am being punished for a common offense I should get the common punishment which is a warning, which would make it fair.

Riot is in all its right do screw over players as they see fit? yes. But is that fair? no.

ModMod CuratorJul 14, 20164 votes

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Which brings unfair rulings overall, the spirit of the law applies when there is not enough documentation on the issue.

What isn't forbidden is allowed. Have you heard of that?

In any case if I am being punished for a common offense I should get the common punishment which is a warning, which would make it fair.

Riot is in all its right do screw over players as they see fit? yes. But is that fair? no.

I've explained the reason your post was removed and the punishment given was the default for that type of removal. If you'd like to discuss this further, you can do so with Riot by submitting a ticket to Player Support.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

redniwediSJul 15, 20161 votes

What isn't forbidden is allowed is a way of doing things. Not only is it not Riot's way of doing things, but you agreed to do things in their way.

Riot isn't screwing you over here, you're screwing yourself over by not reading things before you agree to them. They don't change very often, so only read it every six months or so and you'll be fine.

Also just be a nice person next time, alright?

Scary DoorJul 15, 20163 votes

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What is the logic in this? I didn't even get a warning just a straight 7 days ban. It's not a permaban so I am not evading the ban or anything but seriously... Explain to me how to say something directed at absolutely no one in particular gets me a 7 day ban?

It's doesn't say anywhere in the UNIVERSAL RULES that you can't say lets say "ISIS terrorists need to die", or are you going to ban me for "wishing" the death of a terror group?

You know, this just falls into the common sense category. If you're not smart enough to understand that wishing death upon a group of individuals is bad form then you deserve an even longer Boards ban than you received.

Your defense is that "it doesn't specifically say in the rules I cannot wish death upon people", hey that's great, except I think this qualifies

The Golden Rule

Always be respectful to players, community members, moderators, and Rioters. Harassment and insults will not be tolerated (“just playing” is NOT a catch-all excuse).

Not to mention this...

Threats of any kind will be handled differently depending on severity, but all posts of this kind will be removed. Extreme instances will be escalated to the proper authorities.

Even if you try to weave around those rules, don't you think you should just be smarter than to say that "group x should die"? Can't we raise the discourse just a little bit here on the Boards?

AMYS GRAVEJul 15, 20162 votes

Explain to me how to say something directed at absolutely no one in particular gets me a 7 day ban?

You directed the comment at riven mains. Pretty directed if you ask me.

MaxDarkwillJul 14, 20161 votes

Here is a tip I will be giving you and using myself soon You know the chat bar . Slide it down till you can'T see it . Then disable all chat. when you feel like trashtalking send it in all chat like that no one reads you