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Unpopular Opinion:Ban system does not reform most of the players

PDM··5 votes·923 views
 Here I am,after my 6th permaban and probably the last time I played this game.

Been playing since s1 quite normal ever since not toxic nor friendly either but the type of guy you would rather have on your team rather than the enemy one.I have had quite many bans in both European servers (Eune/Euw) over the course of these years with the first one taking place in the start of season 6,so here I am to express my opinion on how the game's banning system affects my behavior.First permanent ban was my first ever account with a huge amount of money/time/effort in it.That made me feel so destructed when I logged onto my account and got that "Permanently Banned" messsage.Had quite a talk with Riot Support trying to sort things out looking into ways to revoke the ban with a promise to actually reform.That never worked to be honest so I moved over to my 2nd account(Was having 3 accs since s1).That account had only a couple of Euros in it but the first ban really made me think that I really must be doing something wrong to get Permanently Restricted from using my account.Moving over to it got it banned instantly 14 days for legitimately having a really bad game where many things went wrong(High ping-mouse with batteries running out) so I ended up with a score of 1-12 if memory serves me well.After talk again with Riot Support where I provided evidence of the things that handicapped my gameplay at that game they still weren't convinced enough.That completely changed my thoughts on the ban system, going from thinking that I am actually the problem to thinking that it is actually not made in a right way.After the 14days ban was off played quite some until I got a permanent ban due to a game where I was duoing with a friend of mine and we came against one of our friends so we started talking Greek in all chat.We did not flame/harass anyone but apparently we got reported so all 3 of us got some kind of ban either that was permanent for me or a chat restrict for my friends.Riot support once AGAIN was not really helpful.That was the time of my life where I decided to take a 3 month break from the game and sit back trying to think what was going so wrong.Coming back onto my 3rd account made me feel completely disappointed with the game meaning riot support/ban system so from that point and on I wasn't really caring at all.3rd account permanently banned and that was breaking point for me. YES the 2 chat restricts and 14 days were well worth cause I was being a dick most of the times.Altough once again last ban for that account wasn't a deserved one.Lost two relatives in real life in a matter of less than 10 days.Cause of those loses my grandma was in the hospital for quite some time having heart issues.I came back wanting to play some to get my mind off those things.Came against a lovely duo wishing cancer to our families etc so I just broke down.After game I went to Riot Support to initially apologise for my breakdown and moreover provide them once again with the reasoning of my stupid behavior.Got the typical bot replies which then drove me furious.The next 3 bans were all of them TRULY DESERVED as the system made me not wanna care about it at all. To sum it up,all I wanna say is that the ban system needs to be remade from start.First of all giving people the ability to revoke their bans if the case seems well worth it and moreover especially for permanent bans do not give copy-paste replies.People that get banned get triggered way more easily when the system is like "Hey IDGAF about you".Moreover I would like to thank the game makers for the endless lonely nights I would spend playing their game which would make nights less boring.Last but not least,wishing you all a great night and be safe whatever you do!

72 Comments

ModThe Djinn4 votes

The punishment/ban system is designed to prompt you to realize the issues with your actions and find a resolution that works for you. Riot cannot (and should not, in my personal opinion) be responsible for actively finding ways to change your behavior, as these techniques can vary from person to person as far as what is or would be effective.

It's a punishment system that can recognize reform and encourages it by returning rewards. It is NOT a system that takes steps to actively reform individuals who aren't willing to do so on their own.

PDM1 votes

To be honest never thought of that in that perspective but still think that the system is faulty.At least as far as automated replies go.As mentioned aswell above I wasn't trying to be a dick or sth in the first 3 of them at least.All I wanted was legitimate reasoning for whatever happened and not sth automated.That's what I really hate

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I too think there could be some improvements with the punishment tiers and feedback for the player being punished, but permabans themselves I think are fine; that is the step used when they think you are almost undoubtedly beyond reform, and they don't want you here. Most player that get punished just once never need to be again, but for those that don't change they will continue being punished more severely, and the chances that they reform decrease drastically with each step (meaning that more steps under a permaban are not more likely to improve the behavior).

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-10-04T18:40:00.863+0000)

I too think there could be some improvements with the punishment tiers and feedback for the player being punished, but permabans themselves I think are fine; that is the step used when they think you are almost undoubtedly beyond reform, and they don't want you here. Most player that get punished just once never need to be again, but for those that don't change they will continue being punished more severely, and the chances that they reform decrease drastically with each step (meaning that more steps under a permaban are not more likely to improve the behavior). To be honest if I am to take it from start.I do think that what used to happen a while ago aka tons of games chat restricts was really bad.Moreover I do think that the current ban system is bad but COMPLETELY disagree that there is even a single person on this game that is beyond reform.I think that people are different so they need a different approach and you can't just automatically give people bans here n there

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

COMPLETELY disagree that there is even a single person on this game that is beyond reform

I didn't mean it to be taken literally. Certainly there are methods that can help, but as Djinn said, each person is different; Riot can't possibly dedicate the time and resources to be each person's personal therapist.

you can't just automatically give people bans here n there

You can't get permabanned 6 times and claim Riot did it for no reason. If you're ever confused about a punishment, please come here to this board and post the Reform Card you received and we'll go over the logs with you and do our best to clear things up.

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-04T18:49:27.319+0000)

I didn't mean it to be taken literally. Certainly there are methods that can help, but as Djinn said, each person is different; Riot can't possibly dedicate the time and resources to be each person's personal therapist.

You can't get permabanned 6 times and claim Riot did it for no reason.

I already explained on the post lol...3 of them were deserved af.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

What about the other 3?

HalcyonDweller1 votes

IMO repeated temporary bans are going to do more to keep a toxic player out of the game than a permanent ban will. This is because a player who is not getting their account back and wants to still play has no reason not to create a new account.

If they are going to get their account back within a 'reasonable' amount of time then the time investment needed to level up a new account won't be worth it and they will just wait out the ban before playing again.

A bit of a strange perspective on it, I know. But I truly think it would be more effective than the current systems in place.

PDM1 votes

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IMO repeated temporary bans are going to do more to keep a toxic player out of the game than a permanent ban will. This is because a player who is not getting their account back and wants to still play has no reason not to create a new account.

If they are going to get their account back within a 'reasonable' amount of time then the time investment needed to level up a new account won't be worth it and they will just wait out the ban before playing again.

A bit of a strange perspective on it, I know. But I truly think it would be more effective than the current systems in place.

It is somehow right but I think that giving the people the option of ONLY ONE permaban revoke would reform them.Like the three refunds you get.You get your perma revoked once and then you realise if you do it again you are fucked

ModThe Djinn3 votes

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To be honest never thought of that in that perspective but still think that the system is faulty.At least as far as automated replies go.As mentioned aswell above I wasn't trying to be a dick or sth in the first 3 of them at least.All I wanted was legitimate reasoning for whatever happened and not sth automated.That's what I really hate

You can always post here and have people's feedback on what the issue is.

The problem is that on the scope of a system like Riot's, personalized replies are really hard to do effectively. :(

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2017-10-04T18:59:47.492+0000)

You can always post here and have people's feedback on what the issue is.

The problem is that on the scope of a system like Riot's, personalized replies are really hard to do effectively. :(

As much as people will hate it i always was a Reddit user.My girlfriend got me into boards

Oleandervine1 votes

{{Champion:43}} Change comes from within.

PDM1 votes

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{{Champion:43}} Change comes from within.

Agreed but that's what changed me into a toxic in game person after some point.Automation.Yes there are millions of players but you can't handle permanent restrictions with automations.It just should't be happening.

Oleandervine1 votes

They actually can and they do. The automation you refer to are incredibly easy to navigate around. You simply don't be mean or hostile, and you won't get banned by the system. It really is that simple.

PDM1 votes

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They actually can and they do. The automation you refer to are incredibly easy to navigate around. You simply don't be mean or hostile, and you won't get banned by the system. It really is that simple.

So in the end of the day the solution is to trick the system?

Oleandervine1 votes

Yes, because to trick the system, you have to be a pleasant person. If you are having to self censor yourself to be a pleasant person in chat, eventually, you will pull yourself out of your hostile, raging behavior.

PDM1 votes

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Yes, because to trick the system, you have to be a pleasant person. If you are having to self censor yourself to be a pleasant person in chat, eventually, you will pull yourself out of your hostile, raging behavior.

I will give you two examples of people that i do know and ain't banned.First of all my best friend.Toxic af during his games but using chat to flame smartly if theres such thing and he doesnt ever get banned. Second example my girlfriend that no matter how much she gets flamed or how much frustrated she feels she never uses chat not even to be kind cause she really gets the impression that most of the things are nowadays punishable

HalcyonDweller2 votes

I agree that the system is doing what it needs to do, but I feel like it could be better. The best way to stop toxicity is to teach people how not to be toxic. Just banning them forever doesn't seem to stop them, look at the OP or even tyler1. Toxic people who get permabanned just make new accounts and start all over.

I think that most people aren't toxic by nature, and that for the most part toxicity only happens when they tilt. The thing about tilt is that it is very hard for people to control. When someone loses control of their emotions they stop thinking rationally and it won't matter what sort of punishment guillotine is hanging over their head, they will simply act as their emotions dictate and suffer the consequences afterwards.

I think that we need a new tier of punishment, in between chat restrictions and 14-day bans. Something like a 24 hour ban, and allow that tier to de-escalate after X number of games (something short like 5~ish games). Just having something to interrupt players from continuing to play when they are tilted will do wonders to reduce toxicity in the community.

EDIT: It comes down to the purpose of the system. Is the system's purpose to punish toxic players, or is it to reduce toxicity in the game?

Personally I think that just trying to punish players for being toxic is like chasing your own tail. It misses the true benefit of reducing toxicity while driving normal people who get tilted over the edge.

PDM1 votes

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I agree that the system is doing what it needs to do, but I feel like it could be better. The best way to stop toxicity is to teach people how not to be toxic. Just banning them forever doesn't seem to stop them, look at the OP or even tyler1. Toxic people who get permabanned just make new accounts and start all over.

I think that most people aren't toxic by nature, and that for the most part toxicity only happens when they tilt. The thing about tilt is that it is very hard for people to control. When someone loses control of their emotions they stop thinking rationally and it won't matter what sort of punishment guillotine is hanging over their head, they will simply act as their emotions dictate and suffer the consequences afterwards.

I think that we need a new tier of punishment, in between chat restrictions and 14-day bans. Something like a 24 hour ban, and allow that tier to de-escalate after X number of games (something short like 5~ish games). Just having something to interrupt players from continuing to play when they are tilted will do wonders to reduce toxicity in the community.

EDIT: It comes down to the purpose of the system. Is the system's purpose to punish toxic players, or is it to reduce toxicity in the game?

Personally I think that just trying to punish players for being toxic is like chasing your own tail. It misses the true benefit of reducing toxicity while driving normal people who get tilted over the edge.

I just can't think how permanently restricting someone's acceess to account can actually reform them.All the people that i have came against with perma bans just got twice as toxic on their second account or sth out of tilt regarding their first one

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Indeed, it would probably do more to keep a toxic player out of the game to have them waiting for their account to come back off of a temporary ban.

If the time investment required to level up a new account is not worthwhile compared to the time it takes to wait for the account, they will likely wait instead of making a new account.

At least that is what I believe anyway.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}I agree that the system is doing what it needs to do, but I feel like it could be better. The best way to stop toxicity is to teach people how not to be toxic.

The issue is that the way to do this properly varies from individual to individual. Riot can't really build a system that can effectively be a therapist for everyone...and even then the players would have to read it, understand it, and be willing to change.

EDIT: It comes down to the purpose of the system. Is the system's purpose to punish toxic players, or is it to reduce toxicity in the game?

The latter, by means of the former. It offers many opportunities to adjust your behavior and, if you don't, it removes you.

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=000200020002,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:02:07.764+0000)

The issue is that the way to do this properly varies from individual to individual. Riot can't really build a system that can effectively be a therapist for everyone...and even then the players would have to read it, understand it, and be willing to change.

The latter, by means of the former. It offers many opportunities to adjust your behavior and, if you don't, it removes you.

What if I tell you that there actually is a way to treat each individual different.It is just Riot not willing to spend time on it

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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What if I tell you that there actually is a way to treat each individual different.It is just Riot not willing to spend time on it

I'd argue that it's not necessarily Riot's responsibility to SOLVE toxicity so much as address it. If someone wants to cause issues Riot can't really stop them or fix that issue so much as offer a way to remove them if they keep being a problem.

Much like how if you start a fight in a bar the bar's responsibility to its community is to remove you, not to find you therapy to help with your anger issues. It's not their role, responsibility, or place.

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=00020002000200000000,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:08:57.126+0000)

I'd argue that it's not necessarily Riot's responsibility to SOLVE toxicity so much as address it. If someone wants to cause issues Riot can't really stop them or fix that issue so much as offer a way to remove them if they keep being a problem.

Much like how if you start a fight in a bar the bar's responsibility to its community is to remove you, not to find you therapy to help with your anger issues. It's not their role, responsibility, or place.

I do not disagree but what would you think of giving players the ability to revoke only one of their bans.Like the three refunds you get.That's honestly the best approach i have found to adress toxicity since if people fuck it up once they know that they are out of option afterwards

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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I do not disagree but what would you think of giving players the ability to revoke only one of their bans.Like the three refunds you get.That's honestly the best approach i have found to adress toxicity since if people fuck it up once they know that they are out of option afterwards

I don't think this would help -- players can already get up to FOUR chances to realize their behavior is an issue, and I don't believe adding a 5th would do anything to help that situation.

It's EXTREMELY rare to be permanently banned on a first offense, and an immediate escalation to a 14-day ban is usually for hate speech, encouragements to self-harm, or truly egregious toxicity, which seems like stuff people should be well aware isn't acceptable.

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=0002000200020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:13:10.541+0000)

I don't think this would help -- players can already get up to FOUR chances to realize their behavior is an issue, and I don't believe adding a 5th would do anything to help that situation.

It's EXTREMELY rare to be permanently banned on a first offense, and an immediate escalation to a 14-day ban is usually for hate speech, encouragements to self-harm, or truly egregious toxicity, which seems like stuff people should be well aware isn't acceptable.

The thing is that even like 3-4 months after a 14days ban one wrong move can get you perma banned.That's what I am saying.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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The thing is that even like 3-4 months after a 14days ban one wrong move can get you perma banned.That's what I am saying.

By design -- again, a 14-day ban is only reached through truly terrible behavior, and SPECIFICALLY mentions that the next punishment is a permanent one. I don't think Riot owes players ANOTHER chance after they've received their last chance. Otherwise where does the chance of last-chances end?

If that threat isn't sufficient to prompt someone to find other ways to handle their behavior, I'm not sure how much more can be done.

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=000200020002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:16:34.585+0000)

By design -- again, a 14-day ban is only reached through truly terrible behavior, and SPECIFICALLY mentions that the next punishment is a permanent one. I don't think Riot owes players ANOTHER chance after they've received their last chance. Otherwise where does the chance of last-chances end?

If that threat isn't sufficient to prompt someone to find other ways to handle their behavior, I'm not sure how much more can be done.

So to sum up yourself here,you think that riots ban system is actually well built?

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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So to sum up yourself here,you think that riots ban system is actually well built?

I feel it is well built. This does not mean that it can't be improved though. I just feel that an improvement needs to actually have a net positive effect, rather than just allowing more toxicity (which a free ban removal would have the potential to do).

In short -- well built? Yes. Perfect? No.

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=00020002000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:19:59.279+0000)

I feel it is well built. This does not mean that it can't be improved though. I just feel that an improvement needs to actually have a net positive effect, rather than just allowing more toxicity (which a free ban removal would have the potential to do).

In short -- well built? Yes. Perfect? No.

Well that's your opinion but I would agree with HalcyonDweller

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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Well that's your opinion but I would agree with HalcyonDweller

I mean, I agree with him/her that there is room for improvement. I'm okay with notifications after a string of bad games. I'm just not really okay with putting MORE chances into a system that already offers several, and most suggestions I see say "give more mini-bans before a permanent punishment" or "soften punishment", neither of which actually does more than minimize the response to toxic behavior.

A mini-ban or notification as a heads up before a punishment triggers at the lower levels, however, seems like a great idea.

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=0002000200020000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:25:06.568+0000)

I mean, I agree with him/her that there is room for improvement. I'm okay with notifications after a string of bad games. I'm just not really okay with putting MORE chances into a system that already offers several, and most suggestions I see say "give more mini-bans before a permanent punishment" or "soften punishment", neither of which actually does more than minimize the response to toxic behavior.

A mini-ban or notification as a heads up before a punishment triggers at the lower levels, however, seems like a great idea.

Throwback to season 4 where you would get the notification for getting reported a lot the last games.That was actually something they should not have removed

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=00020002000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:19:59.279+0000)

I feel it is well built. This does not mean that it can't be improved though. I just feel that an improvement needs to actually have a net positive effect, rather than just allowing more toxicity (which a free ban removal would have the potential to do).

In short -- well built? Yes. Perfect? No.

Just keep in mind that most permabanned people just buy an unranked one for only 10 Euros which is pretty sad if you think about it.So that makes me wonder is permaban really solving the issue?

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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Just keep in mind that most permabanned people just buy an unranked one for only 10 Euros which is pretty sad if you think about it.So that makes me wonder is permaban really solving the issue?

This isn't actually the majority of banned players -- it's a common misconception.

That said, yes: there is, as I said, room for improvement.

The question is what would you recommend to solve the toxicity issue without offering opportunities to enable more of it? THAT'S the issue that needs to be solved here -- how to improve the system without creating more pressure on non-toxic players by giving toxic players more chances to be toxic.

I'd rather have a good discussion about SOLUTIONS than one about PROBLEMS. :)

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=0002000200020000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:27:45.843+0000)

This isn't actually the majority of banned players -- it's a common misconception.

That said, yes: there is, as I said, room for improvement.

The question is what would you recommend to solve the toxicity issue without offering opportunities to enable more of it? THAT'S the issue that needs to be solved here -- how to improve the system without creating more pressure on non-toxic players by giving toxic players more chances to be toxic.

I'd rather have a good discussion about SOLUTIONS than one about PROBLEMS. :)

Actually give rewards to non toxic players to motivate the toxic ones.Like let's not lie.I really thing the new honor system is a failure.Key drops are more rare than they used to be and capsules drop once every idk when.So let's say why not give icons or even short amounts of rp like 100rp or sth to people that reach "x" honor level or keep it cool for "x" amount.If riot was like "Hey PDM if you reach level honor 5 you get like 100rp and an icon" I would work my ass for it cause it's worth it. That's just an example many things could be done.I have sent a lot of tickets here and there with propositions on how to reduce toxicity by actually motivating people into reforming.

PDM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0wAAgLqH,comment-id=0002000200020000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-04T19:27:45.843+0000)

This isn't actually the majority of banned players -- it's a common misconception.

That said, yes: there is, as I said, room for improvement.

The question is what would you recommend to solve the toxicity issue without offering opportunities to enable more of it? THAT'S the issue that needs to be solved here -- how to improve the system without creating more pressure on non-toxic players by giving toxic players more chances to be toxic.

I'd rather have a good discussion about SOLUTIONS than one about PROBLEMS. :)

You do not wanna give in game stuff?Alright make a competition every year since you got worlds.Every year 10 players from each region get the chance to get a free trip to Worlds for that season.Requirements?Not having had a single ban during that season.This would actually reduce toxicity to half I guarantee you.Yeah it would cost but if you think about it, it would really be efficient

HalcyonDweller2 votes

I understand and respect what you are presenting here, but I don't think that it would require much work from Riot to do what I'm suggesting.

It couldn't hurt to try this; apply short temporary bans with a simple message saying something like, "you appear to be having a bad time, take a break and come back to the game when you will be better able to enjoy it."

PDM1 votes

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I understand and respect what you are presenting here, but I don't think that it would require much work from Riot to do what I'm suggesting.

It couldn't hurt to try this; apply short temporary bans with a simple message saying something like, "you appear to be having a bad time, take a break and come back to the game when you will be better able to enjoy it."

That is also right dude but I do not think that this is something they would try.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

I respect your opinion, but I do not share it. That sort of claim is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Dismissing others as unreasonable or unwilling to change will only serve to push them away and guarantee that they won't be willing to listen or change.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

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I understand and respect what you are presenting here, but I don't think that it would require much work from Riot to do what I'm suggesting.

It couldn't hurt to try this; apply short temporary bans with a simple message saying something like, "you appear to be having a bad time, take a break and come back to the game when you will be better able to enjoy it."

Ah. I misunderstood that then. I'm totally in favor of small notifications after the system picks up a string of a few bad games, although I'm not sure if I'd actually make it a mandatory ban.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Fair enough, thank you for understanding.

I'd be open to any sort of intervention, ban or not. I believe it would do a lot improve player experience.

But I don't know how to get Rioter attention on this idea. I've had very limited success getting any post about this past the gauntlet of nay-sayers among the users who view the "New" and "recent" categories only.

Karunamon2 votes

I'm going to take the opposite tack here and say that it's not Riot's job to do anything other than provide a sane environment for gameplay to happen. Anything that interrupts that is an issue.

People spouting off because they lack the maturity to not type garbage into the chat box is Riot's problem only inasmuch as it causes people to lose games. If people can't abide by some (rather sane) rules of behavior, they need to play a different game. If 4 chances isn't enough, the permaban is a gentle tap on the shoulder that says "come back once you've grown up a bit".

PresBushDid7111 votes

I think there is some confusion here. There are 3 punishment tiers, perm ban isn't a tier, it is meant to be the finale.

Step 1-3 are supposed to show you that you need to reform your behavior, the last step is to say you aren't welcome here anymore.

It seems like you are treating each punishment on each account as a tier. So your statement of after my 3rd perm I got worse doesn't make sense.

At your first perm Riot said, we don't want you here. The punishment system is to show you that your actions aren't keeping with what Riot wants in their community.

After your first punishment the expectation is that you will examine your actions and attempt to correct those that do not fit the community standard.

PDM1 votes

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I think there is some confusion here. There are 3 punishment tiers, perm ban isn't a tier, it is meant to be the finale.

Step 1-3 are supposed to show you that you need to reform your behavior, the last step is to say you aren't welcome here anymore.

It seems like you are treating each punishment on each account as a tier. So your statement of after my 3rd perm I got worse doesn't make sense.

At your first perm Riot said, we don't want you here. The punishment system is to show you that your actions aren't keeping with what Riot wants in their community.

After your first punishment the expectation is that you will examine your actions and attempt to correct those that do not fit the community standard.

The thing is between those first 3 permas all 3 of the accounts had categories with more than 500 honors if you remember old honor system and most of them would be mentor.Anyways I had given signs of trying to keep my mind calm but riot just gave me their hard face as soon as my first bad step happened

PresBushDid7111 votes

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The thing is between those first 3 permas all 3 of the accounts had categories with more than 500 honors if you remember old honor system and most of them would be mentor.Anyways I had given signs of trying to keep my mind calm but riot just gave me their hard face as soon as my first bad step happened

I do recall the old honor system, I had the green ribbon.

Honors were a way of a teammate(s) showing appreciation. I have no doubt that most of the time you aren't overly toxic, you might even be am absolute joy to play with.

However, it's not a points system. You don't get one freebie to flame for every x amount of honors.

The expectation is that at the very least one is neutral. Minor infractions dine occasionally will it get you punished. If you do well and get rewarded, awesome, but it is not treated as a counter balance. I don't know of any social interaction that works that way. I can't scream at my boss that he is a nub and should uninstall excel and argue to HR that it shouldnt matter because I told him he had a nice tie on.

xHawk1 votes

Didn't read most of it, but 6 permabans is insane. [Personal attack removed - Ulanopo] The ban system is definitely enough to reform players, I got hit with a 14 day back in June and it scared the shit out of me, I don't want to lose my account

PDM1 votes

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Didn't read most of it, but 6 permabans is insane. You're just an asshole at that point tbh. The ban system is definitely enough to reform players, I got hit with a 14 day back in June and it scared the shit out of me, I don't want to lose my account

I do not think calling someone an asshole is kind of you.Also trying to give your opinion on the topic without having read it is pretty damn sad.

ModUlanopo1 votes

You can make your point just fine without resorting to personal attacks.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

the purpose of the ban system is to remove the toxic players from the playerbase. riot has said they want these players to leave and never come back. the problem is that 99% of them do make a new account and keep playing

Liquid Poro 1 votes

The run-on sentence with no paragraph. But ok.

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