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Petition to allow cussing in game

Bwanga··2 votes·1,103 views

Please read the entire post before responding to this... I have legitimate reasons and I'm sure others will bring other reasons or reasons why not to.

Firstly: vulgar language is relative. What is considered offensive by one person can be considered the complete opposite by others

Second: Plenty of adults play this game. I personally am an adult and swear in my day to day life... It's part of my vocabulary, my vocabulary is rich but also includes words considered vulgar

Thirdly: there are many more solutions I can be applied to those who don't want to hear or see cussing... as a software developer myself I know it would be relatively easy to allow users to define what words they wish not to see as a simple text input taking a large portion of the burden off the developers and management of the game.

Fourth: it is illogical to punish people on a progressive scale for using socially acceptable language that can be filtered.

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ModWulf Helhammer6 votes

That moment when it is allowed.

Just not at other people with the intention of insulting and toxic behavior.

Bwanga1 votes

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That moment when it is allowed.

Just not at other people with the intention of insulting and toxic behavior.

Technically yes, but the automated system is far from perfect. I guess this poll should be more oriented towards refinement of the automated system instead

Apart from that, cussing when speaking to someone, not in an agressive manner should not be in my opinion. Right now there is a fine line between cussing at someone, and cussing while speaking to someone, and that is where the issue lies.

If there was no issue with cussing at someone because of the ability to create any chat filter they so choose to or any number of solutions to the problem, there would be less reports to go through, there would be no investment needed to create a chat parser that can read what you did. There are a lot of simple solutions that would save money for Riot Games that could be better invested in the game itself and stop it from losing players from the related bans

Amber Lynn1 votes

Doesn't it already allow it? I think most cussing that leads to suspensions are due to flaming others more than the vocabulary. I wouldn't mind some confirmation on this either way.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Firstly: vulgar language is relative. What is considered offensive by one person can be considered the complete opposite by others

The things I have been called and the things others have been called are not relative... nothing is ever said that is misunderstood so bad it results in a report...

Second: Plenty of adults play this game. I personally am an adult and swear in my day to day life... It's part of my vocabulary, my vocabulary is rich but also includes words considered vulgar

This is fine, i swear literally all the time because there is no reason to be offended by someone saying "fuck" or "shit" unless it is meant to be insulting towards you. The issue is in this game its never just said as a word, its always an insult... No one will report you for saying "fuck i missed that skillshot" but they will report you for saying "how the fuck did you miss that skillshot" because it is directed at them in an insulting manner.

Thirdly: there are many more solutions I can be applied to those who don't want to hear or see cussing... as a software developer myself I know it would be relatively easy to allow users to define what words they wish not to see as a simple text input taking a large portion of the burden off the developers and management of the game.

There is a language filter and it is automatically on when you create an account.

Fourth: it is illogical to punish people on a progressive scale for using socially acceptable language that can be filtered.

No its not, you aren't necessarily being punished for the words but the meaning behind them... unless you use racial, sexist or intolerant slurs in which case you can be punished just for saying them supposing someone reports you for it.

Being offensive to hurt someones feelings is why you are being punished for saying vulgar words. If someone has a problem with vulgar words, there is a Language Filter and if they turn it off it is on them. Just don't direct those vulgar words at someone in an offensive way and you won't be punished.

Bwanga1 votes

On the contrary, I have recently been reported for swearing by a group of 4 arranged players, when the only instances of swearing were in the context of "I fucked up", "That fucking sucks" (when aced), etc.

The large portion of my swearing actually comes from defending others, like "Lay off his/her fucking back dude" or "Stop fucking ragging on the jungler it's not their fault you fed"

The current system is 100% automated that searches for keywords based on the ammount of swear words. Not the context

The things I have been called and the things others have been called are not relative... nothing is ever said that is misunderstood so bad it results in a report...

I swear frequently and I have been reported and chat banned for swearing that was not directed at anyone.

Jamaree3 votes

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On the contrary, I have recently been reported for swearing by a group of 4 arranged players, when the only instances of swearing were in the context of "I fucked up", "That fucking sucks" (when aced), etc.

No you didn't, and no you weren't.

Bwanga1 votes

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No you didn't, and no you weren't.

Yes, yes I was and I got an instant chat ban for it. By the end of the game I had put them on ignore because of the way they were talking so they chose to all 4 report me resulting in an instant chat ban via the automated system.

Please try not to make statements that you could not possibly know whether they were true or not.

Jamaree3 votes

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Yes, yes I was and I got an instant chat ban for it. By the end of the game I had put them on ignore because of the way they were talking so they chose to all 4 report me resulting in an instant chat ban via the automated system.

Please try not to make statements that you could not possibly know whether they were true or not.

I do know, I have cursed many a times, I have been playing since season 1, I haven't gotten a single warning, you don't get banned for cussing, you get banned for cussing at allies, you are free to think that isn't true though.

Bwanga1 votes

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I do know, I have cursed many a times, I have been playing since season 1, I haven't gotten a single warning, you don't get banned for cussing, you get banned for cussing at allies, you are free to think that isn't true though.

Please stop flaming the forum with responses like this. You can not know it because right now it uses an automated system. Unless you are a software engineer, you would not understand the complexity of a system that would be able to accurately detect flaming vs normal cussing. nor the near impossibility of debugging such a program and testing for all cases. It is a literal impossibility that there are no people banned for things they should not be using the current system.

Please do not act like you know something to be a fact that literally can't be known by anyone other than a dev/manager that can check for the exact circumstances.

Kei1432 votes

its not the swearing that got you chat restricted. Plus it happens over a number of games, not just one. Theres alot of people in this boards that know what they are talking about. They've read alot of the developer blogs in regards to the punishment system.

If you want to post your chat logs, we can analyze it for you to tell you what went wrong that led to your punishment.

Jubbinaut5 votes

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I swear frequently and I have been reported and chat banned for swearing that was not directed at anyone.

As Lyte has stated repeatedly, cursing is not - in and of itself - punishable. As he said:

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Ironically, I just answered a question about voice chat on Ask.fm, which is here:

QUESTION: Are you trying to make the game full PG? (Like even below PG-13) Couse it looks like you are trying to completely remove toxicity when there will always be people that act ughh... silly.Couse for example, voice chat would help immensly but your toxicity "excuse" ruins that idea...

League is a hardcore game, and it's played by many adults so no, we're not trying to make it a PG-13 game. In fact, we're not against offensive language per se. For example, saying "Fuck I missed that skillshot" or "Fuck, that was a bad engage, sorry" is completely fine and is not punished. You're only punished when you start focusing your language against someone else, for example, "Fuck you asshole, wtf was that play. Uninstll plz." Of course, hate speech, death threats and more severe language is not OK in any context, and that stuff will be punished with pretty much zero tolerance.

As someone prone to peppering my in-game chat with "adult" language, I'm particularly appreciative of this approach.

Lyndris2 votes

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On the contrary, I have recently been reported for swearing by a group of 4 arranged players, when the only instances of swearing were in the context of "I fucked up", "That fucking sucks" (when aced), etc.

The large portion of my swearing actually comes from defending others, like "Lay off his/her fucking back dude" or "Stop fucking ragging on the jungler it's not their fault you fed"

The current system is 100% automated that searches for keywords based on the ammount of swear words. Not the context

I swear frequently and I have been reported and chat banned for swearing that was not directed at anyone.

You do not get chat restricted from one game. I'm pretty sure it has more to do with the number of games reported than the actual number of reports

JQKAndrei1 votes

The game is PEGI 13, if you go in a school full of 13 yo teen agers and suggest this petition, you'll get the same result.

Rebel 9861 votes

If your a veteran like myself.. Cussing is how u talk to ppl sometimes. I use the word fuck a lot. Havent recieved ne chat restrictions yet so cussing is allowed. Its when it goes to far

GreenLore1 votes

The problem isn't that words like "fuck" and so on aren't kid friendly enough,the problem is if you are using them to insult your teammates or drag down the mood of the game with them(talking negative stuff like "this game is lost" and so on over and over again).

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