I think that players who have been perma ban should be given a final chance just once to prove themselves. Heck if riot wants they can have a fee attached to have a perma ban account operational again. Anyone else agree with this?
Zielmann13 votesNo. Nearly all accounts that are permabanned for behavior already had a final chance and they blew it.
dragon eis3 votesNo. Nearly all accounts that are permabanned for behavior already had a final chance and they blew it.
"a final chance" what final chance? that you are more likely to get permabanned by a robot? No tribunal = No fair bans, idc what other people think.
ghost22091 votesi agree with this. one of my accounts got banna and if only you saw the chat log. imagine saying to your teammate that i got your back was a message i got banned for. is this right?
ghost22091 votesanother thing to keep in mind i didnt notice riot saying this is your final warning things like this should be indicated when a player is on their final warning before being perma ban. Also riot doesnt take into consideration when a player doesnt do too well in a match and both teams decide to gang up and report that player.
Zielmann10 votesIn both the client notification and email notification when a player receives their 14-day ban, it is stated very clearly that the next step will be a permanent ban on the account. Not sure what more of a final warning you want.
The exceptions in existence are severe cases where players might skip punishment tiers and land directly at a permanent ban. But these are typically cases of excessive hate speech or substantial personal threats against other players, and are very rare. Players who are caught scripting are also permabanned with no direct warning to them (but the consequences of scripting are very well documented at this point and like... do people really need or deserve a 'final warning' that cheating is bad?)
And to your last point, all that matters is a player is reported in a given game. Number of reports in a game don't actually matter. This is in place specifically to make it so that teams ganging up on somebody and reporting them doesn't actually hold any extra weight at all.
If you get reported and you exhibited reportable behavior, the system will flag that match against you. Enough flagged matches over a period of time is what ultimately results in a punishment.
ghost22091 voteswell in the case of cheating i clearly understand but riot system needs a lot of work. they were times i got chat restrictions for saying someone was feeding and indeed the were and they also admitted during match they were doing it and said they will report me i got reported and chat banned like seriously?
BeatzBoyFTW5 votesYou must have said something more than that. No way they would just punish you for juz that few words. Other than that, you may have been reported in a lot of games before this which finally managed you to land a punishment.
ghost22091 voteswasnt there support to be chat restrictions before final ban?
GaleWinUnleashed2 votesThere are 4 punishment tiers. 10-game CR, 25-game CR, 2-week ban, permanent ban. Each successive punishment moves you up to the next tier. After an undefined amount of time (apparently a couple of months) without any reports, you can drop 1 punishment tier.
With this system, unless you behave atrociously and skip tiers, you have 3 chances to reform before you get a permanent suspension. Each punishment is accompanied by chat logs and a warning to straighten up, so there's really no excuse for failing to change your behavior.
EvilDustMan7 votes[{quoted}](name=dragon eis,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0KQzNXQf,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-16T14:16:05.359+0000)
"a final chance" what final chance? that you are more likely to get permabanned by a robot? No tribunal = No fair bans, idc what other people think.
14 day suspension was the final chance.
dragon eis1 votes14 day suspension was the final chance.
back in season 1-2 i got like 11 14day suspensions and never got permabanned. oh the good old days.
Kei1438 votesya .. cos you guys don't read what the new reform system is like.
know the rules, play around it. Don't go complaining about it after they've told you about it.
Zielmann3 votesIf you don't correct your behavior, does it matter the source of the ban?
ghost22091 votesi get your point but sometimes some people tend to learn the hard way, and come on lets be real 2 suspension and perm bad thats ridiculous especially for people that put hard earned cash into this game
mazoony1211 votesThey should be given another chance to atone for their mistakes ... Would you be satisfied with this if you happen to like them?
BlueThingamajig4 votesBack in the day, Riot had a challenge for people (Known as the 'Level 20 Challenge'). In it, Riot picked players who had messaged support and whom support believed genuinely meant to reform after the perma.
So they said: If you can level a new account to level 20, without it being punished once, you can have your old account back.
95% of people, people who Riot thought were genuine and repentant,_ failed_ the challenge. If that was the people Riot thought were genuine, what about the people who are still salty or frustrated about their ban? Do you think that even 5% of them will manage to reform?
ghost22091 votesyou cant justify everyone based one a couple who just cant reform but indeed its a good initiative. i think riot should have this back in place as everyone should be treated equally. that goes to show riot only caters to majority and not minority. what was the result of the other 5% percent do they not count? is 5% not something to start from?
Dominick Destine3 votesBand players, eh?
GaleWinUnleashed1 votesFraid I'm not a permanent band player. I gave up my French Horn a couple of years ago.
archerno13 votesThey had 3 chances. Why in hell would they be given more?
ghost22092 votesand i am guessing you deem 3 as enough? if only the world was based on 3 chances which would mean after 3 jobs you are done for...
Zielmann1 votesRiot actually has a lot of data to back up the current 4-strike system. Back when Tribunal was active, there were a lot more tiers of punishment, and they didn't always bump a player a tier with each punishment. There was something like 7 different punishment levels available (this was before they implemented chat restrictions, so all were increasing-length time bans).
What they found was that a vast majority of players corrected their behavior after just the initial warning. Then a vast majority of the remaining ones would get the point after their first time ban, etc. After even just 2-3 punishment tiers, pretty much everybody that was willing to reform had done so. Once they reached a point, reform rates dropped off significantly, to where almost no players were actually reforming. The only thing having tons of punishment tiers did was delay the amount of time before players who were clearly not willing to reform would actually reach their permaban, thereby allowing them to continue ruining more and more games while just waiting to work through the rest of the system up to a permaban.
It was largely based on that data that they worked out the current 4-tier system. By the time somebody is reaching a 4th punishment, their chances of reforming are so low that their okay with just issuing a permaban.
ghost22091 votesthis is wrong reason being i got suspended 2 times then perma ban you cant just assume someone wont be able to reform with one tier left. that one tier might be just enough for them to reform for good but am guess riot doesnt care about that they just wanna assume and perm ban.
Zielmann1 votesThe tiers go like this:
So if you received a permaban for behavior, one of two things has to have happened:
Had you ever served a 14-day ban before?
EndlessSorcerer3 votesThe two week ban is the final chance.
If you received a permanent ban after that, you blew it.
My Sea Cow2 votesfrom your previous posts, you deserved any punishment you got. Instead of complaining that you got punished, accept it and learn not to do it on another account. You intentionally fed...you clearly said that in a game to your team mates...they reported you because you intentionally fed. You got banned for that. It was a correct ban and deserved.
ghost22091 votesso lets say someone does feed intentional one game is enough to get them banned? if thats the case riot has a lot of banning to do considering what i saw.
My Sea Cow1 votesthere's a HUGE difference between having ONE off game where someone goes horrible and outright ADMITTING you're going to intentionally feed then to do so. You asked for yourself to get banned. No one's fault but your own
Maximum Morde1 votesI'd lol of Rito started selling Amnesty Tokens in the RP store.
dragon eis1 votesbans doesnt help at all. if you want me (and many other players) to reform, just balance the game. easy as that.
Kei1431 votesgit gud boi.
Unless they are playing at pro level, there are lots of ways to out play your opponent.
Even if you were given the most OP stuff, if you can't use it properly, you'll still loose.
dragon eis1 votesgit gud boi.
Unless they are playing at pro level, there are lots of ways to out play your opponent.
Even if you were given the most OP stuff, if you can't use it properly, you'll still loose.
im usually not that kind of guy who checks the elo from other players on the board, but please! if you are stuck bronze for like 3 seasons then just dont talk man.. i know whats op in this game and whats should be changed, i make the threads about "op champs" and then everyone laughs at me, but after 1-2 they are all crying for nerfs about that one champ that i mentioned a few weeks ago.
Kei1431 votes*shrug *
cry more about ops.
Awkward Couch1 votesRiot did have a level 20 program at one point in time, this is where permabanned players would level up a new account to level 20 and if they could do so without getting punished by the Tribunal, they would get their account(s) back. The program was shut down due to a failure rate of 95-97%.
ghost22091 votesso after trying just one method riot decided to give up on this idea rather than find ways to present other challenges?
Awkward Couch1 votesso after trying just one method riot decided to give up on this idea rather than find ways to present other challenges?
I'm just showing you that Riot has done this in the past and the failure rate. Why go through and implement a system like this if no one is going to take advantage of it?
Personally, I don't see a reason to give their accounts one last chance, they can easily make another one for free. That's just me though.
scazzman2 votes[{quoted}](name=Awkward Couch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0KQzNXQf,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-05-16T16:27:39.698+0000)
I'm just showing you that Riot has done this in the past and the failure rate. Why go through and implement a system like this if no one is going to take advantage of it?
Personally, I don't see a reason to give their accounts one last chance, they can easily make another one for free. That's just me though.
However back then. In order to,be permabanned. You actually had to be spamming n bombs or running down lane with multiple boots. Now any toxic player can be permabanned if they do it enough
ghost22091 votesdid you really think persons want all their money thrown down the drain and create a new account? i can understand starting over but what about all their purchases ?
Awkward Couch1 votesdid you really think persons want all their money thrown down the drain and create a new account? i can understand starting over but what about all their purchases ?
Of course not, but at some point, enough is enough. If the ban is for toxicity, then they should have already had 3 separate warnings. At some point you just have to cut them off and say, no you don't get another chance.
Astôlfo1 votesIt's not "their" money anymore. It became Riot's when they consented to buying RP. And it's entirely their own fault they got banned.
Sukishoo1 votes
fill this some more, cause it's not happening.
Angry Monster1 votesSomething i have noticed, people with draven icons complain more about the ban system than any other player group.
I wonder why?/s
Astôlfo1 votesDo you get what "permanent" means, or do you need a dictionary?
M E H O K1 votesHello Riot
I have never done anything
against the League of legend's rules. I did not use any illegal modifications. Can I please know what exactly happened?
Thank you.
mazoony1211 votes
[sg-lux] no no They should be given another chance to atone for their mistakes ... Would you be satisfied with this if you happen to like them? please league of legend please please please
