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Riot politics are inhuman.

SirBubba··4 votes·1,407 views

Hi guys, I'm assuming what i'm about to tell is not new and some people will find me annoying or just retarded, however, i'll say it anyways.

Riot politics (Summoner code) are just inhuman, you can't express nor feel emotions in the game, you can't call other's mistakes, you can't get mad, you cant be human. And i'm not talking about those toxic trolls that say "OMG FUCK YOU FOR FEEDING" or "OMG YOU DIDNT GANK ME YOU PIECE OF SHITTTuhh$4HGASUYE#$". I'm talking about normal "callouts" like "You didn't gank me in 20 minutes" or "Would you stop dying?". If you are having a rough mid and you are, with your oponent, calling each other bad when you kill him/die, you'll be marked as toxic and probably banned... If someone in the team is AFK and you want the other team to know so they can help reporting him, YOU ARE THE TOXIC one and you'll be banned... I didn't know that since Jenny711 told me on the riot support that you can BARELY express anything on the chat. Let's take a look (i'll provide screenshots if someone wants it).

"Hey again, There's a difference between helping someone and telling someone to stop playing the game. Telling them to stop playing the game will not make them play better. Flaming and bullying them will not make them play better. There's no reason for you to call them out on their mistakes. They died. They know they made a mistake. They don't need you to pile on the negativity. The only thing you do is make them feel worse. You can however, say, "hey, it's okay. Don't worry about it. I'll come help." Or "hey, don't worry about it, we'll get them next time."

The things you were saying was "you were really bad shyv." This is not helpful in any manner. Calling for reports against a specific player, again, not helpful. Calling for others to report a player is a punishable offense. It is a form of bullying and as such is against the summoner code. There's no need for you to call for reports." I got banned, 25 games, because i said to my oponent on mid "Stop asking for help from your jungle, you can lose mid alone", or "You are bad stop playing the game" OR EVEN WORST O M G "Deleted"...

But it gets worst, dont you dare to say someone that they've made a mistake, because according to Jenny.. "First things first, if you were that jungler and your upset because you're behind in jungle and your mid laner said to you "You never ganked bot, their jungle ganked 5 times already", how would you feel? Likely bad right?"

No, Jenny, i would feel like a piece of useless garbage because in 20 minutes i didn't do anything for my team.

So in resume, if you didnt know the following are punishable:

Calling others out is a punishable offense. Calling out "you are not helping the team" does nothing but creating dissension between the team and is not helpful. Also, yes, calling for others to report a player is a punishable offense. In the future, do mute them and just report them at the end of the match. (Note: Do not tell them you're muting or reporting them. That is a punishable offense). According to Jenny, the only thing you can say IN ALL THE MATCH IS: "You can however, say, "hey, it's okay. Don't worry about it. I'll come help." Or "hey, don't worry about it, we'll get them next time.""

Their politics are inhuman, against the human behaviour, and for the people that will tell me to stop crying, dont worry, i did, by asking for a complete DELETE in my 5 accounts 30+ in the game. Any opinions on this? I'm the only one that things that they are in fact, crazy, treating us like machines? ... thanks

68 Comments

AeroWaffle12 votes

There's a difference between experiencing an emotion and performing an action. You're free to get angry, frustrated, etc at the game. But like everywhere else in the world, you're held responsible for your actions.

It's not unreasonable for Riot to ask people to be civil.

The system does not punish for a single instance of lightly poor behavior. You either have to have a high frequency of poor behavior or high severity.

SirBubba1 votes

Exactly, but if you bother to read what jenny said, you cant call other's mistakes, NEVER, otherwise you'll get banned. In fact, there's a way to avoid the toxic ban (since their system is bad, that's recognized in every forum you ask) by just not saying the words that are marked with **** (Add your self in the game and talk to your self, if you see *** dont say that word, dont say "report him" and boila!, you'll never get reported).

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

You're making it sound like you'll get banned for calling people out on mistakes once, and that's not true at all. There is a lot of leniency when it comes to minor negativity like that. The only way for you to get punished there is if you're always doing this in your games (telling people the messed up when they already know is rubbing salt on the wound, not helping), or if you're actually being really toxic going about it (like "fucking dumb piece of shit stop standing under their tower").

Also, let's try to use proper terminology when referring to punishments; a 25 chat restriction is just that. If you call it a "ban" people will think you're referring to an account ban. The less confusion about what happened, the better.

SirBubba1 votes

Thanks for correctingme in the word "ban", will correct it.

However, as said by the Riot Support Member, Jenny, calling out (IN ANY WAY) someones mistakes it's punishable, let's take for example Tryndamere Gold/Plat players, they just push and push and push and dont help the team, they lose the game because they only pushed ALL the game, and you know why they continue doing it? Because you can't say anything about them, Riot is treating people like kids, in fact saying that "They know they've made a mistake" it's not true at all, since, if you are calling them out usually is because their actions were repetitive during the game, and they usually blame others for it.

To let you know, there's a reddit post (on the LoL reddit) right now that is attached to the top of the forum that is a discussion between Riot Moderators and people about "Should Calling out people on the forum be allowed?" where the people is expressing ALL the failures and mistakes the Riot System has, in fact, the only thing that is working right now is the "Toxicity System" where a bot detects some words to ban you (In fact, in that reddit post some people are teaching others how to avoid the detector)... Riot is full of flaws, people like me (obviously, not everyone) are getting reported and banned (in some cases) for calling out people or getting mad towards someone that is just ruinning your experience.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

"Punishable" doesn't mean instantly punished for doing it once. Any negative behavior can add up if you keep doing it, that's what she means here. Like she said, if you need to communicate to your teammate that they made a mistake so they can avoid doing it again, try and do it in a respectful and constructive manner; simply saying they are bad and trying to get them reported isn't helping anyone.

You can say that the system is flawed because people find ways around it, but it isn't possible for any system to be perfect; it's the people intent on being a problem at any cost that are flawed.

I understand the urge to get mad at people that are making mistakes or are intentionally ruining the game for you, but an effort should be made to not make it worse and to show some good sportsmanship.

UnboundHades1 votes

this has nothing to do with the post but I want your spinning nami symbol you use at the end of comments on post you lock is there a way to get it?

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

You can just click on it and open in a new page to save, but as I'm using it to tag some of my posts I'd prefer if you didn't make regular use of it the same way.

https://i.gyazo.com/865d2bc6092141bd4137c073f7bc4ba2.gif https://i.gyazo.com/89a830f0cc63ed049f30fb3feb7c3daa.gif

UnboundHades1 votes

thank you fish lord

leaugesbane1 votes

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"Punishable" doesn't mean instantly punished for doing it once. Any negative behavior can add up if you keep doing it, that's what she means here. Like she said, if you need to communicate to your teammate that they made a mistake so they can avoid doing it again, try and do it in a respectful and constructive manner; simply saying they are bad and trying to get them reported isn't helping anyone.

You can say that the system is flawed because people find ways around it, but it isn't possible for any system to be perfect; it's the people intent on being a problem at any cost that are flawed.

I understand the urge to get mad at people that are making mistakes or are intentionally ruining the game for you, but an effort should be made to not make it worse and to show some good sportsmanship.

except at this point after so many games is it really a mistake? if i have a 1/4th of a players games and said player still cant do it afte being asked about it and offered assistance is it really a mistake? riots system isnt simply flawed thats sugar coating it it is an inept system that according to a dev blog i red will eventually with out human intervention ban for "gg"

ik im not articulate or likable but if thats all it takes for you to ignore warning bells you earn what comes your way. im sure there are plenty of more articulate people who have tried and been chased out as well lol

AeroWaffle2 votes

Exactly, but if you bother to read what jenny said, you cant call other's mistakes, NEVER, otherwise you'll get banned.

No, she said;

There's no reason for you to call them out on their mistakes.

She didn't say that was the sole reason for your ban. She explained that calling people out on mistakes was unhelpful and rude. And it is.

In fact, there's a way to avoid the toxic ban (since their system is bad, that's recognized in every forum you ask) by just not saying the words that are marked with * (Add your self in the game and talk to your self, if you see dont say that word, dont say "report him" and boila!, you'll never get reported)

Not entirely sure if I'm interpreting what your saying here correctly, but I've seen plenty of people get poor behavior punishments. Many of them never asked others to report other players.

As for your punishment specifically,

I would like to see the chat logs for myself before making a judgement on what deserved a punishment for your specific case.

Jo0o3 votes

Opinions? Calling this "inhuman" is a bizarre overstatement. It's a fucking game.

You seem like you were deliberately argumentative to the point of inciting verbal conflict rather than improved results. Communication for the sake of teamwork is one thing, but needlessly berating your team is another. Chat is meant to communicate, not to be the recipient of your frustrations. You ARE allowed within reason to call out your teammates for their mistakes, but doing so excessively is harassment.

It's pretty easy to not get punished, in my experience. Mute and report trolls, shrug at shitty teammates if they won't listen to reason, and don't lose track of the central concept that this is a GAME. Not a livelihood, not a war. A game.

SirBubba1 votes

Did you see what Jenny wrote at all? Do you want me to send you a screenshot of what she said?

YOU CANT CALL OUT YOUR TEAMMATES FOR THEIR MISTAKES, NEVER.

How does LoL being a game affects what am i saying?

Millions of users are paying for stuff in this game daily, every second, it's a service/product they are offering after all.

I literally said "You didn't gank in 20 minutes", Jenny CALLED ME OUT for that in the riot support ticket i've sent, can you read the post at least?

Jo0o2 votes

I didn't bother with the point-by-point out-of-context rebuttals you were offered of various lines of text you said in game, no.

Here's all Jenny needed to say:

"There's a difference between helping someone and telling someone to stop playing the game. Telling them to stop playing the game will not make them play better. Flaming and bullying them will not make them play better. There's no reason for you to call them out on their mistakes. They died. They know they made a mistake. They don't need you to pile on the negativity. The only thing you do is make them feel worse."

Your chat logs, which you are certainly welcome to post in their entirety, clearly passed a threshold of harassment to the point where a punishment was given. That means you went far beyond simply voicing your displeasure (something I do fairly often in my own games) and were actually just flaming at that point. And no, flaming isn't allowed.

SirBubba1 votes

That's all Jenny needed to say:

"First things first, if you were that jungler and your upset because you're behind in jungle and your mid laner said to you "You never ganked bot, their jungle ganked 5 times already", how would you feel? Likely bad right?"

She literally typed what i wrote in the game, (To give you a hint the phrase between " - "), that's flaming and toxic for you? Come on, be honest.

Jo0o1 votes

Taken all together, yes. There's a threshold to be avoided, and perhaps Jenny didn't articulate it well. You obviously weren't punished for a single line of text.

You were provided an EXAMPLE from your toxic chat log. That was clearly not the only wrong thing you said that game. But hey, prove me wrong by posting the whole chat log.

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

No he has a good point. I may not agree with it (only in the sense that I believe it is better to have a non-toxic game), but it is a good point.

leaugesbane1 votes

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No he has a good point. I may not agree with it (only in the sense that I believe it is better to have a non-toxic game), but it is a good point.

you and msot of the people here have to understand how the left in america have been for 20+ years and how things got so bad.

they hide behind things that no one has a problem with while doing everything people detest. the also accuse others of doing what they are threatening to do.

no one who is sane will disagree with a "non-toxic" game ,btw toxicity isnt a thing unless you have played league and/or are a sjw. it just doesn't. if i hadn't played league i wouldnt even know the word in this context, back to the point though if yo read the riot hate youll see the same themes flamers flaming feeders afks idiots and trolls which are eqaully if not more so toxic. there was a post i just read about a answer a guy got from a riot player support saying exactly what im about to. the only good chat is no chat. go back to the dev blog where riot lyte says the system learns and improve. that means eventually after enough reports without human intervention "gg" will result in a perma ban lawl. if you disagree stay ignorant its fine jsut understand you are just that. time will prove me right as it often does because riot will improve properly or die as a result of meaningless pride.

but what do i know im jsut toxic right. im totally here because i want to cause a problem. not because i see a problem and want if fixed right. lawl man this is both depressing and fun at the same time what odd feeling.

Jo0o1 votes

If you think I'm some sort of PC SJW internet crusader, you can go fuck yourself.

(^joke, but seriously, where is the whole left-vs-right thing coming from? We aren't even slightly talking politics)

EvilDustMan2 votes

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you and msot of the people here have to understand how the left in america have been for 20+ years and how things got so bad.

they hide behind things that no one has a problem with while doing everything people detest. the also accuse others of doing what they are threatening to do.

no one who is sane will disagree with a "non-toxic" game ,btw toxicity isnt a thing unless you have played league and/or are a sjw. it just doesn't. if i hadn't played league i wouldnt even know the word in this context, back to the point though if yo read the riot hate youll see the same themes flamers flaming feeders afks idiots and trolls which are eqaully if not more so toxic. there was a post i just read about a answer a guy got from a riot player support saying exactly what im about to. the only good chat is no chat. go back to the dev blog where riot lyte says the system learns and improve. that means eventually after enough reports without human intervention "gg" will result in a perma ban lawl. if you disagree stay ignorant its fine jsut understand you are just that. time will prove me right as it often does because riot will improve properly or die as a result of meaningless pride.

but what do i know im jsut toxic right. im totally here because i want to cause a problem. not because i see a problem and want if fixed right. lawl man this is both depressing and fun at the same time what odd feeling.

Let's not judge whether or not a word is real by your knowledge of it. Toxic is a psychology and behavioral word, which is why Lyte used it. It means a situation that is negative and destructive instead of constructive. Like, say, YouTube comment sections.

It has been used for a while but gained some traction in the popularity of people separating themselves from toxic people and relationships that cause them pointless stress.

Timethief492 votes

"Call them Out on their mistakes" is something is something along the Line of you fucked up, or you dies there, which doesnt help in ayn Way and is unnessesary. Something like, try to play more passive, or maybe try xy next time, is completly ok.

SirBubba1 votes

As english is not my native language, calling out someone's mistakes is "Hey, dont go alone next time". In my post, you can see that Jenny even cited one phrase that i used "Their jungle has ganked 3 times and you havent".

GreatWhiteNorth2 votes

Freedom of speech is dying in the USA. Riot is an American company.

If you play an American game, you experience some American culture. Accept that, and get over it.

Silent Gravity3 votes

For some reason, I don't think that the United States government, either at the state or federal level has intervened here with criminal charges. Freedom of speech has not been impinged.

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

The United States has weak expression laws compared to some other Jurisdictions. One of the strongest on earth is Saskatchewan. http://esask.uregina.ca/entry/saskatchewan_bill_of_rights.html

Therefore this does not indicate that freedom is not being impinged by Riot.

Silent Gravity2 votes

The Saskatchewan Bill of Rights has not been violated in any way. Riot does not limit anyone's speech based on their race, creed, religion, colour or ethnic or national origin.

Nik Nikerson1 votes

To be fair, it's quite easy to have strong expression laws when your population is made up of 35 people and a pack of wolves.

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

Obviously you've never heard a wolf speak in your entire life.

archerno16 votes

{quoted}

Freedom of speech is dying in the USA. Riot is an American company.

If you play an American game, you experience some American culture. Accept that, and get over it.

Freedom of speech gives you protection from government. It never applied to private business. If you go to pub and start making trouble they can kick u out and deny u access.

GreatWhiteNorth2 votes

The Saskatchewan Bill of Rights:

http://esask.uregina.ca/entry/saskatchewan_bill_of_rights.html

You stand corrected in the sense that there have been ideologies that recognized large private interests as being as dangerous to self expression as government. As coorporations become ever more powerful without such protection freedom of speech dies.

Silent Gravity5 votes

The Saskatchewan Bill of Rights has not been violated in any way. Riot does not limit anyone's speech based on their race, creed, religion, colour or ethnic or national origin.

sheldonbunny1 votes

{quoted}

Freedom of speech is dying in the USA. Riot is an American company.

If you play an American game, you experience some American culture. Accept that, and get over it.

https://truthwinsout.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/xkcd.jpg

leaugesbane2 votes

{quoted}

https://truthwinsout.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/xkcd.jpg

if only you where using this properly

sheldonbunny2 votes

{quoted}

if only you where using this properly

If only you understood why I was posting it. Additionally, if only you had said "were" as opposed to "where." And last, but certainly not least, if only you didn't butcher the English language with your lack of capitalizing sentences, lack of punctuation, or breaking ideas down into paragraphs instead of one solid block of words.

leaugesbane2 votes

{quoted}

If only you understood why I was posting it. Additionally, if only you had said "were" as opposed to "where." And last, but certainly not least, if only you didn't butcher the English language with your lack of capitalizing sentences, lack of punctuation, or breaking ideas down into paragraphs instead of one solid block of words.

better to lack the ability to articulate then the inability to understand that you have. =]

sheldonbunny1 votes

{quoted}

better to lack the ability to articulate then the inability to understand that you have. =]

Then please, regale us all on how the comic does not fit at all the specific quote I cited.

leaugesbane1 votes

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sheldonbunny1 votes

{quoted}

lack the ability to articulate

not that it matters with how brain dead you are -_- seriously?

Dear, I mean how does the comic not apply to the following quote. Give details, since you're attacking a poster without backing yourself up with a clear side to it.

{quoted}

Freedom of speech is dying in the USA. Riot is an American company.

If you play an American game, you experience some American culture. Accept that, and get over it.

I will state it plainly once more. With the above quote, how does the comic not apply in any way, hmm?

leaugesbane1 votes

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sheldonbunny2 votes

{quoted}

and like i said its better to lack the ability to articulate then to lack the ability to understand its a waste of time to try and tell you especially if you where a Hillary supporter

Oh silly, you misunderstood. I just grabbed the first version of the infamous XKCD comic from a Google search. I'm going to hedge a guess glancing over the main site it's a political site. I'm in no way interested in politics, so no, was not a supporter of political groups or candidates in the 15 years i've been eligible to vote. I just wanted that specific comic, lol.

Now that that misunderstanding is out of the way, would you kindly make the effort to express your reasoning?

As an olive branch, i'll even post the original site so your delicate sensibilities won't be offended.

https://xkcd.com/1357/

leaugesbane1 votes

{quoted}

Oh silly, you misunderstood. I just grabbed the first version of the infamous XKCD comic from a Google search. I'm going to hedge a guess glancing over the main site it's a political site. I'm in no way interested in politics, so no, was not a supporter of political groups or candidates in the 15 years i've been eligible to vote. I just wanted that specific comic, lol.

Now that that misunderstanding is out of the way, would you kindly make the effort to express your reasoning?

thats even worse lol probably the only thing worse as an american then being a leftest presently.

since you really want to know and asked 3 times its not free speech issue not to mention all the Hippocrates lying around all the issues league is facing have been around for 4+ years how many people got angry when they brought this up and riot banned and ignored them or they just quit in response to the quiting. i could go on and on about this so ill bring it back to the key point

its not a free speech issue and this games is filled to the brim with Hippocrates.

sheldonbunny2 votes

{quoted}

thats even worse lol probably the only thing worse as an american then being a leftest presently.

since you really want to know and asked 3 times its not free speech issue not to mention all the Hippocrates lying around all the issues league is facing have been around for 4+ years how many people got angry when they brought this up and riot banned and ignored them or they just quit in response to the quiting. i could go on and on about this so ill bring it back to the key point

its not a free speech issue and this games is filled to the brim with Hippocrates.

I'm fine with being neutral and apathetic to political climates. I have far better concerns in my finite time on earth. If it brings you contentment to be affiliated in some fashion, i'm happy for you.

The word you are looking for is "hypocrite." You're again overreaching on my intentions and making assumptions. The point of my posting it was the first line in the quote from that poster. This is a bit like explaining a joke to someone, or demystifying a parlor trick, but you insist.

It's a tired practice online for people to bandy about the term freedom of speech and insist it's violations. The idea of it "dying" fits into that ideal, and given to my snarky nature I posted it, as is the custom of many. There was nothing more to it than that self contained moment, and in no way directly about any other posts in this thread. I'm sorry you misinterpreted my intent, and hopefully now it has been cleared up.

I have no hat to throw in the ring on this specific topic, so with that I bid you a nice day. :)

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

Please do not resort to personal attacks. If you don't see eye-to-eye with the other person in the discussion and you don't have anything constructive to say, it's better to just end it there.

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

It's not a perfect fit, because the spirit of the Saskatchewan Bill of Rights is that of protecting the individual from the collective, including coorporations, unions, NGOs, etc. It does not cover people copying other people's negative behaviour (shunning), which is an entirely different from a multibillion dollar company, such as Riot games potentially abusing its power to smack what the op believes are very small transgressions. The creators of the Bill of Rights believed that large organizations could be considered to have the power, and so the responsibility, of governments under some circumstances. Coorporations are considered to be a powerful collective.

I'm using the Bill as an example of an alternate way of looking at freedom of speech, where individuals have more rights and coorporations less. Classic examples from the United States no longer apply, and so by merely looking at that Bill it is possible to get a better understanding of the OP's perspective. It could help people to think outside of the box.

Don't get me wrong, I support Riot game's policy, and the ability for them to have some control over the behaviour in their games. But I can understand the OP's position, and I agree that it does remove humanity from the game when part of self-expression is removed (and good riddance).

I don't think OP knows what inhumane means. He probably just means not human-like.

Jo0o1 votes

Are you in favor of protecting the integral American cultural landmark of racial and homophobic slurs?

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

I didn't know that you guys celebrated that. Frankly I'm not sure I believe you.

Jo0o1 votes

I'm not sure which of us is being more sarcastic.

Chønklord1 votes

Freedom of speech does not apply to property owned by private entities like businesses.

Hence it's why you can start yelling "fire!" in a theater; it may be your free speech right to do so, but you'll still get kicked out.

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

It isn't so it shouldn't be isn't a valid argument.

Your example is just a strawman.

EvilDustMan2 votes

Yes, I am absolutely sure that people change their ways when some rando from the internet tells them what they are doing wrong.

Absolutely.

Thankfully you are there to tell us all our mistakes.

Chønklord2 votes

Politics = Policies Resume = Summary

You're welcome.

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