The instant feedback system is incredibly harsh.

WolfehhKun·Oct 5, 2016·9 votes·1,906 views

This is mostly just me venting to be honest, but it's also to point out just how harsh the instant feedback system is. After reading the rules about it I don't have much hope for getting my ban lifted or shortened. Basically got absolutely plastered last night and decided to go on a toxic rampage, which lasted all of one game. Also I threw up in my sink which isn't relevant at all but there you go. The thing is, I'm not normally a toxic player, I don't have a history of being toxic, I've never been suspended or chat restricted. I'm sure I've been reported for random off the wall things, since people tend to report for pretty dumb reasons sometimes.

I'm not defending my behavior at all, I realize there need to be consequences and I was being extremely toxic, no doubt that literally everyone reported me. But wow. Instant permaban. After one game, to a player who's usually pretty positive actually. I like the idea of the instant feedback system, but I think it could seriously use some work in differentiating truly toxic players from people like me who just had a bad day.

51 Comments

DrCyanideOct 5, 20162 votes

Are you certain it was a permaban for language? I mean, I know people can get instantly permabanned in one go for extreme language, I just don't recall hearing anyone bring it up on the boards before.

The reason I ask is there are "permabans" for other things, such as if Riot thinks your account was compromised. If it was for that, then reaching out to support to verify you're the account owner could get you unbanned.

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

http://prntscr.com/cq6hcr

It was definitely for language, I cut out the part with my chat logs because it's embarrassing (I become illiterate when I drink), and it was honestly pretty toxic and cringeworthy, I can't even lie. Dunno if it's possible to add pictures here, I suck at formatting anyway.

eldurisOct 5, 20162 votes

People have been perma'd for excessively toxic behavior. The best way to get feedback from the boards is to post your logs, though.

Telephone BoothOct 5, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Harmless Granny,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=02R4ExhT,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-10-05T15:59:57.391+0000)

http://prntscr.com/cq6hcr

It was definitely for language, I cut out the part with my chat logs because it's embarrassing (I become illiterate when I drink), and it was honestly pretty toxic and cringeworthy, I can't even lie. Dunno if it's possible to add pictures here, I suck at formatting anyway.

Awww as someone who enjoys a good drunken rampage I would really love to laugh at those logs knowing you were drunk. Not to judge you and say ya no wonder you were perma'd, just to laugh at you in a lighthearted way cuz you were being a drunk jackass. Not many things are funnier to me than drunk nonsense.

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

I'm at work currently but I guess I could post them when I get home since this post got a lot more attention than I thought it would and people seem pretty interested to see them. It's not all that funny, mostly just me saying "%%%got" a lot. Like a whole lot, and then I drunk typo'd it to "%%% pot" which I apparently found hilarious at the time because it sounded funny. Oh and I called their Lucian a negro. In all fairness it WAS pretty bad. No lie. Mostly just childish insults with no real basis. It's a shame I don't at least remember it though. Sounded like a fun game.

Edit: Oops, guess I can't say that here. Makes sense.

datboi101666Oct 6, 20161 votes

yo want to laugh at my permaban logs i was high as shit and thought mute all stopped all communication between you and everyone else so i took a new approach and starting flaming myself and team when i muted all to help not get so tilted

scazzmanOct 5, 20162 votes

i would suggest opening a support ticket. explaining your situation and you MIGHT be able to have your punishement reduced to a 14 day ban. no guarantees though.

Dominick DestineOct 5, 20162 votes

The system is INCREDIBLY draconian, yes.

SarutobiOct 5, 20161 votes

I mean it's not uncommon for people to get first offense permaban for toxic behavior. Although usually those are for extreme toxic behavior, like racial/homophobic slurs, threatening to kill someone are all warrant to an automatic permaban.

With that said if you do wanna discuss your punishment by all means post your chatlogs as it would help in understanding why the punishment was so harsh!

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

I would just prefer not to post them. I'll admit that it was on the extreme side, there were some slurs, which is probably the reason for the ban. I know that kind of stuff is really not okay, and I agree that it should be punished, but it still seems a bit harsh considering it was the only time. I'm not a hateful bigot or anything, I was just spewing nonsense mostly.

SarutobiOct 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Harmless Granny,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=02R4ExhT,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-10-05T16:19:14.592+0000)

I would just prefer not to post them. I'll admit that it was on the extreme side, there were some slurs, which is probably the reason for the ban. I know that kind of stuff is really not okay, and I agree that it should be punished, but it still seems a bit harsh considering it was the only time. I'm not a hateful bigot or anything, I was just spewing nonsense mostly.

See but the point is that slurs are not ok, not even sometimes. That probably would be the reason for the permaban as those are the extreme cases. There is absolutely no reason to ever use it as it has no bearing to the game. Especially if you are using t to lash out let this be a lesson to not act like this. The moment any type of toxicity happens mute everyone.

Desolas ArteriusOct 5, 20165 votes

It's because there is a 0 tolerance for extreme types of behavior. Thus warranting a permanent ban. I understand you were under the influence, and it does indeed suck that you got yourself banned without even being completely conscious, but do keep in mind they can't be lenient on such cases.

You can't really prove to Riot you were drunk. To them all they see is extremely disgusting behavior being shown by a specific player. You can't really fault them for that, since it would be too easy for other players to feign being under the influence or "well I didn't really meeeean it..." in order to receive lesser punishment.

If you're uncomfortable showing your chatlogs, then that's fine. You don't have to. But keep in mind that usually will make others assume it was really, really bad behavior deserving of a permanent ban.

This doesn't make you a hateful bigot, and I'm pretty sure you're not. But keep in mind other people online, and Riot, don't know this. All they saw was that one game that got you banned.

You are still free to create a new account however :) And I do hope you learn from this to never play while under the influence, since it seems it isn't a very pretty sight haha.

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

Oh for sure, I don't fault them or disagree that slurs are ban-worthy. I admit completely that I was behaving terribly and there were slurs, it was really bad, so I don't really feel the need to post them and embarrass myself, aha. I know they have a zero tolerance policy, I'm mostly just venting to be honest. The only thing I disagree with is that I feel like permabans should be reserved for repeatedly bad behavior. It would still weed out the toxic people and trolls, maybe a little slower, but there wouldn't be cases like mine where you lose your account forever over a single bad game. Feels pretty bad :(

Desolas ArteriusOct 5, 20161 votes

Don't worry haha :) Venting is perfectly okay and understandable considering your case is pretty unique and doesn't happen often.

For the permabans; they are not reserved just for repeated toxic behavior. Plenty of other reasons can get you permabanned.

As for your situation, your account was escalated to a permanent ban because, assuming by the behavior, it was reviewed by a Riot Support staff and showed extremely toxic behavior.

Trust me when I say this doesn't happen often, but it has happen. The system works really well in all honesty, and has been punishing the correct people with little to no mistakes.

I am still sorry that you did lose your account though :( But let this be a bit of a lesson on the choices you make. It does feel bad, but imagine what would have happened if Riot did nothing, or lowered the punishment on your account after what you did( still assuming it was really bad, sorry). It would have made others cry foul and say "well he didn't get a ban but I did! And we said the same stuff!"

They are a business, and need to show equal treatment to those who violate the ToS. You may not have been intentional with with considering you were under the influence, but keep in mind this isn't the case for everyone. They can't have special exceptions, and honestly no one should expect it. It needs to be harsh yet equal to hopefully discourage players from acting negatively, or continuing to act negatively. As well as give examples of what not to do.

As for having bad days. You don't actually get punished for those :) Only repeated negative behavior will get you punished. Riot gives some leniency on bad days, but keep in mind it depends on the level of toxicity. If your logs were REALLY bad (death threats, slurs, hate speech, etc), then that can no longer be excused as "having a bad day". But if you were mostly angry with words like "Fuck this game", but then never show that behavior again, then you wont get punished, nor will your account reputation be tarnished.

datboi101666Oct 6, 20161 votes

In all fairness i have a friend who only said the "N word" al one game he just got chat restricted not banned idk why thats fair kinda if this is basically the same case

Grandpa MattOct 5, 20161 votes

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With that said if you do wanna discuss your punishment by all means post your chatlogs as it would help in understanding why the punishment was so harsh!

Hi Sarutobi, congrats on your arbiter position, really nice to see the community being empowered and helping each other out. Im curious what is the point of discussing the ban if they are never lifted under any circumstance.

I recently got permabanned and I can't really blame anyone other than myself but I honestly do believe I did not deserve a perma ban, like sure I can be harsh and deserve a punishment but I don't ever go out of my way to attack someone. The only reason I ask because I too believe that the instant feedback system is too harsh only because Riot does not have anyone actually read the chat logs. I am more than happy to post mine (sorry if im hijacking your post Granny I feel your pain and I hope we can both learn from this experience) For me in my case it just happened to be that I say one thing, no one likes it wether im expressing my opinon on a bad call or if im actually being a jerk that day so I get multiple reports and well it just adds up. While yes on an off topic extremes of dialogue i.e. racial homophobic slurs should count towards a perma ban but what about people like me who don't facilitate that behavior?

Yes I will admit that on occasion I do have a bad game and say mean things but at the most I would say something like bad jg is bad or post someones score. I can only speak from my experiences and while I can reflect after the fact and say yes i can be negative, yes i can for lack of a better term be toxic but no I dont do extremes and no I dont try to ruin anyone's game. So why is is that if the summoners code of conduct they have a spectrum of "toxicity" where as homophobic and racial slurs are the most grievous and could warrant a permaban but we dont actually have people reading the chat logs because if they do I again do not believe I would have gotten a perma ban because correct me if i am wrong it is called "instant feedback" because if x amount of people report you then you get x flags and upon reaching x number of flags you get a punishment and finally getting x number of punishments you get a permaban.

I feel like the system is just encouraging silence among the community in fear of being reported because toxicity in of itself is just subjective. The rule book is clear on extremes but for people like me with multiple minor offenses we get wrapped up in the big ban blanket and I don't feel like its actually fair. I understand whats fair for one is fair for all and I got banned simply because of that. I nicely asked my sona lane mate please be more aggressive. she took it offensively told me i was being toxic muted me and then trolled me the whole game refusing to work with me tilting me really hard taking my farm you name it to ruin my game. I was rightfully so really upset. I get reported and perma ban afterwards. what did sona get probably nothing. Now I'm not taking away from my behavior or pointing fingers again my fault but at the same time I feel like this needs to have an open discussion. Why is there no finite definition of "toxic" for the rule book? Why can someone like me get perma banned for multiple minor offences? Does telling someone to land a skill shot earn me a perma ban? (it did) and most importantly why is the instant feedback system the way it is? Why can I say gg and have everyone on my team report me and I get punished for that? why is it that you can report someone for literally anything at all and as long as multiple people report them it counts as a strike against them? if me and 5 of my friends decide to be malicious that day and report someone for saying "bye" in all chat for unsportsmanlike like conduct it would probably count as a strike against them.

The meaning of toxic shouldn't be subjective if RIOT is dishing out punishments and at the same time i feel like the only way to avoid punishments is to avoid using the chat function at all because how can you get punished if you say nothing right? and that in of itself is a problem. You can't in my opinion try to encourage communication between players and at the same time attempt to moderate the dialogue but take the easy way out. I spent a ton of money on my account had some fantastic memories and both hextech skins out of sheer luck and its all gone. Really sucks learning the hard way. Sorry for the big wall of text I haven't really vented or spoke about it so heres my mini rant lol and to anyone who actually read all of this thanks for listening, im glad someone did. Hope to hear from ya soon sarutobi or any arbiter. Have an awesome day!

SarutobiOct 6, 20161 votes

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Hi Sarutobi, congrats on your arbiter position, really nice to see the community being empowered and helping each other out. Im curious what is the point of discussing the ban if they are never lifted under any circumstance.

I recently got permabanned and I can't really blame anyone other than myself but I honestly do believe I did not deserve a perma ban, like sure I can be harsh and deserve a punishment but I don't ever go out of my way to attack someone. The only reason I ask because I too believe that the instant feedback system is too harsh only because Riot does not have anyone actually read the chat logs. I am more than happy to post mine (sorry if im hijacking your post Granny I feel your pain and I hope we can both learn from this experience) For me in my case it just happened to be that I say one thing, no one likes it wether im expressing my opinon on a bad call or if im actually being a jerk that day so I get multiple reports and well it just adds up. While yes on an off topic extremes of dialogue i.e. racial homophobic slurs should count towards a perma ban but what about people like me who don't facilitate that behavior?

Yes I will admit that on occasion I do have a bad game and say mean things but at the most I would say something like bad jg is bad or post someones score. I can only speak from my experiences and while I can reflect after the fact and say yes i can be negative, yes i can for lack of a better term be toxic but no I dont do extremes and no I dont try to ruin anyone's game. So why is is that if the summoners code of conduct they have a spectrum of "toxicity" where as homophobic and racial slurs are the most grievous and could warrant a permaban but we dont actually have people reading the chat logs because if they do I again do not believe I would have gotten a perma ban because correct me if i am wrong it is called "instant feedback" because if x amount of people report you then you get x flags and upon reaching x number of flags you get a punishment and finally getting x number of punishments you get a permaban.

I feel like the system is just encouraging silence among the community in fear of being reported because toxicity in of itself is just subjective. The rule book is clear on extremes but for people like me with multiple minor offenses we get wrapped up in the big ban blanket and I don't feel like its actually fair. I understand whats fair for one is fair for all and I got banned simply because of that. I nicely asked my sona lane mate please be more aggressive. she took it offensively told me i was being toxic muted me and then trolled me the whole game refusing to work with me tilting me really hard taking my farm you name it to ruin my game. I was rightfully so really upset. I get reported and perma ban afterwards. what did sona get probably nothing. Now I'm not taking away from my behavior or pointing fingers again my fault but at the same time I feel like this needs to have an open discussion. Why is there no finite definition of "toxic" for the rule book? Why can someone like me get perma banned for multiple minor offences? Does telling someone to land a skill shot earn me a perma ban? (it did) and most importantly why is the instant feedback system the way it is? Why can I say gg and have everyone on my team report me and I get punished for that? why is it that you can report someone for literally anything at all and as long as multiple people report them it counts as a strike against them? if me and 5 of my friends decide to be malicious that day and report someone for saying "bye" in all chat for unsportsmanlike like conduct it would probably count as a strike against them.

The meaning of toxic shouldn't be subjective if RIOT is dishing out punishments and at the same time i feel like the only way to avoid punishments is to avoid using the chat function at all because how can you get punished if you say nothing right? and that in of itself is a problem. You can't in my opinion try to encourage communication between players and at the same time attempt to moderate the dialogue but take the easy way out. I spent a ton of money on my account had some fantastic memories and both hextech skins out of sheer luck and its all gone. Really sucks learning the hard way. Sorry for the big wall of text I haven't really vented or spoke about it so heres my mini rant lol and to anyone who actually read all of this thanks for listening, im glad someone did. Hope to hear from ya soon sarutobi or any arbiter. Have an awesome day!

I'm not an Arbiter, but just to be clear Riot does lift bans (or any type of punishment aside from LeaveBuster) Usually Toxic chat isnt uplifted as its clear with the chatlogs, but then again ive seen some pretty tamed chatlog that did end up getting lifted completely or at the very least gotten their punishment lowered.

But its always a good thing to discuss about things like this. it helps us as a community learn what is and isnt acceptable as this is our game as well. We basically make up the rules when it comes to things like this when we report people for their actions.

But to be clear if you do want to discuss your punishment by all means make your own post as hijacking a topic isnt really a good thing to do and i would feel more comfortable if it was your own thread!

AstôlfoOct 5, 20161 votes

If you got first offense permanent ban, you seriously screwed up. It's entirely your fault.

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20162 votes

It's entirely my fault. I know I screwed up. I've been saying from the beginning that I was being extremely toxic and I admit that, my only point was that I don't see why first offense bans are even a thing. The people who are truly toxic will still get banned eventually, while the people who just had a bad game wouldn't be lumped in with them.

EvilDustManOct 5, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Harmless Granny,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=02R4ExhT,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-10-05T17:07:27.598+0000)

It's entirely my fault. I know I screwed up. I've been saying from the beginning that I was being extremely toxic and I admit that, my only point was that I don't see why first offense bans are even a thing. The people who are truly toxic will still get banned eventually, while the people who just had a bad game wouldn't be lumped in with them.

You gotta understand that only .006% get permabanned. Try to imagine how many of THOSE people are instantly permabanned for extreme toxicity from no previous punishments. This is probably the second time I've seen someone skip every single punishment tier.

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

True. I guess that makes me a very special little snowflake in this case, which is cool I guess. At least it's somewhat reassuring that it's not a problem that many people have. Still feels pretty bad though.

TyrekGoldenspearOct 5, 20161 votes

Well shoot. If a harmless granny is hit, NONE IS SAFE D:

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

Granny is down boys, the Rift will never be the same without her freshly baked cookies and indirectly racist undertones in every conversation (she's from the 1940's). RIP Granny.

Desolas ArteriusOct 5, 20161 votes

Shiiiit, that makes me miss my grandma's cooking :'(

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20162 votes

It's okay. I'll be your granny. I make a mean grilled cheese sandwich.

ModPrandineOct 5, 20161 votes

From the "My Account is Suspended" Support Article:

WHY ARE YOU SO HARSH? The Instant Feedback System was developed by Riot Games so that players in the League of Legends community can dictate what conduct they consider inappropriate for a positive gameplay environment. Regardless of the circumstances (such as provocation), behaviors such as in-game taunting, harassment, cursing, offensive remarks, intentionally feeding, intentionally not making a contribution to your team, etc., will be reported and likely punished by the Instant Feedback System.

Hopefully your future games will be better than your past ones were for you there.

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

Right. I read the FAQ a little while earlier. It's part of the reason I made this post. That doesn't really explain why it's so harsh though, or why I'm being punished the exact same way as someone who is repeatedly toxic and was probably given many warnings. Unless it's to make an example of people like me or something. I don't really understand that part is all. Like I said, I was in the wrong and definitely deserve punishment, it just seems pretty excessive given that it was my first and only offense.

ModPrandineOct 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Harmless Granny,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=02R4ExhT,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-10-05T18:23:26.844+0000)

Right. I read the FAQ a little while earlier. It's part of the reason I made this post. That doesn't really explain why it's so harsh though, or why I'm being punished the exact same way as someone who is repeatedly toxic and was probably given many warnings. Unless it's to make an example of people like me or something. I don't really understand that part is all. Like I said, I was in the wrong and definitely deserve punishment, it just seems pretty excessive given that it was my first and only offense.

Part of the reason it's so harsh I believe is to send the message that certain kinds of behavior are not acceptable here, and they especially want to send that message to those frequent repeat offenders (i.e. the ones who make alternate smurf accounts and continue on with the same poor behavior that got their previous account(s) banned). If you're still confused then I would highly recommend filing a Support Ticket asking about it (preferably with as much information from your end as possible). The first response usually is an automated one though so you'll want to reply back to that one with some additional information if possible.

Desolas ArteriusOct 5, 20161 votes

A little off topic here:

But why do your posts get instantly downvoted? I find it odd considering you're simply stating fact, not to mention politely as well.

(Not stalking I swear :P I just notice you a lot on the boards)

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

Right? I noticed it got instantly downvoted straight to hell the moment I posted it. Most people probably only read as far as "Hi I'm toxic" and vote it right down. I was never really trying to dispute it or argue that it was undeserved, just that I found it to be overly harsh given the circumstances. I think this is actually the first time I've used the forums though. I usually just stick to Reddit but people find me equally lame there too :( Maybe there's another granny here tarnishing my good name.

Desolas ArteriusOct 5, 20161 votes

Oh I was actually referring to Prandine :) Sorry. I usually notice when he posts things he posts are at 0 despite nothing really warranting the downvote. Unless he himself removes the automatic vote the boards does for you on yourself haha.

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

Oh whoops, I'm stupid. Haha.

ModPrandineOct 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Desolas Arterius,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=02R4ExhT,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-05T18:33:50.159+0000)

A little off topic here:

But why do your posts get instantly downvoted? I find it odd considering you're simply stating fact, not to mention politely as well.

(Not stalking I swear :P I just notice you a lot on the boards)

I can explain that. Basically I like to remove the auto-upvote that the post comes with so I can try to get a fairly accurate representation of how many people like and/or dislike my posts. It's not perfect I know, but that's why. Nothing wrong with asking ;).

Desolas ArteriusOct 5, 20161 votes

Oh that makes perfect sense! Thank you for clearing that up :) It is unfortunate you do that though, since if people view the board under "best" your comments will end up at the bottom :( Which is a shame because you have some great stuff to say and share!

But I get where you're coming from~

ModPrandineOct 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Desolas Arterius,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=02R4ExhT,comment-id=000400000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-10-05T21:13:28.194+0000)

Oh that makes perfect sense! Thank you for clearing that up :) It is unfortunate you do that though, since if people view the board under "best" your comments will end up at the bottom :( Which is a shame because you have some great stuff to say and share!

But I get where you're coming from~

Eh perhaps, but considering that most people will generally try to read most of the thread before commenting on it first it doesn't really bother me too much. Thanks for the kind words though, I really do appreciate it.

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

Definitely. I filed a ticket earlier this morning, still waiting to hear back. I don't have much hope for it being lifted though to be honest. The FAQ says that bans resulting from instant feedback are almost never lifted or reduced. Worth a try though.

(Forgot to hit reply last time and started a whole new chain. Whoops. It bothered me so I deleted and reposted it, lol)

ModPrandineOct 5, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Harmless Granny,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=02R4ExhT,comment-id=0004000000000002,timestamp=2016-10-05T18:54:25.319+0000)

Definitely. I filed a ticket earlier this morning, still waiting to hear back. I don't have much hope for it being lifted though to be honest. The FAQ says that bans resulting from instant feedback are almost never lifted or reduced. Worth a try though.

(Forgot to hit reply last time and started a whole new chain. Whoops. It bothered me so I deleted and reposted it, lol)

Depending on how backed-up they are it can usually take a few days to get a response back from Support. Just be patient and they'll get to you as soon as possible.

RobTheTankOct 5, 20161 votes

These days you can't say anything without offending someone. I deal with it by just keeping my mouth shut and saying as little as possible. Works out well.

WolfehhKunOct 5, 20161 votes

Yeah, that's usually what I do too. I only use chat to randomly flirt with my teammates when they do something cool. It wasn't even directed at anyone, drunk me thought I was just being a funny troll. Turns out I just sounded like an idiot, lol.

Fresh ChoiceOct 5, 20161 votes

Granny, if you ever make a new account, you should definately add me, I would like to play with you sometimes ;) an hugs hope you feel better. It's just best to learn from past mistakes and don't make them again in the future. But yeah, would definately love to play with you sometimes. You can add Realest Riven, Fresh Choice or Steve Lai. :D

WolfehhKunOct 6, 20161 votes

Aww, thanks. Luckily I still have a smurf, I can add you on it when I get home. Don't listen to Riot, I'm just a sweet old lady who likes knitting and baking. I'm down to play sometime though :)

Fresh ChoiceOct 6, 20161 votes

what is your smurfs ign?

WolfehhKunOct 6, 20161 votes

IGN is MisterRogers Mid, sounds kind of stupid on its own but my friends and I used to all have PBS themed names. The squad has since disbanded though :(

Fresh ChoiceOct 6, 20161 votes

it's okay, we can play sometimes

Leon EtoileOct 6, 20161 votes

Here's the thing: you have to do/say some certain things to get that type of ban.

Just b/c you got drunk doesn't give you the right to harass people and make it okay. For example, drunk drivers still get charged when they cause and accident.

Look into taking responsibility for your actions and stop blaming the world for your problems.

WolfehhKunOct 6, 20161 votes

Be honest, did you read anything in this thread before commenting? I've never said it wasn't my fault, and I've never said I was innocent in any way. In fact, I've been saying over and over, if you'd actually stop to read, that I am 100% to blame and yes, I said some things that were pretty bad and I used slurs, which are extremely frowned upon and yes, I'm aware of Riot's zero tolerance policy.

I didn't make this thread to convince the community that I'm an innocent, delicate little flower, because that's completely pointless and does nothing to get my account back. I made it because I got instantly and permanently banned over a single incident, when I have no record of being chat restricted, suspended, or even warned. I literally skipped every single punishment tier and went straight to a permaban, and that IS extreme, regardless of what I said in one single game.

This topic is to make people aware of how insanely harsh the instant feedback system is, and nothing more. Which I have said multiple times, again, you would know this if you took the time to read.

Leon EtoileOct 7, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Harmless Granny,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=02R4ExhT,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2016-10-06T21:23:30.172+0000)

Be honest, did you read anything in this thread before commenting? I've never said it wasn't my fault, and I've never said I was innocent in any way. In fact, I've been saying over and over, if you'd actually stop to read, that I am 100% to blame and yes, I said some things that were pretty bad and I used slurs, which are extremely frowned upon and yes, I'm aware of Riot's zero tolerance policy.

I didn't make this thread to convince the community that I'm an innocent, delicate little flower, because that's completely pointless and does nothing to get my account back. I made it because I got instantly and permanently banned over a single incident, when I have no record of being chat restricted, suspended, or even warned. I literally skipped every single punishment tier and went straight to a permaban, and that IS extreme, regardless of what I said in one single game.

This topic is to make people aware of how insanely harsh the instant feedback system is, and nothing more. Which I have said multiple times, again, you would know this if you took the time to read.

It's not harsh b/c you are aware of the rules; the rules are black and white, not gray. You are aware of what the rules are. Instant feedback doesn't hit you if you don't break the rules you agree to follow.

You just keep proving my point.

Morality CoachOct 6, 20161 votes

I don't think the system is harsh. You can be annoying every game as long as you don't say stuff that would get you fired or beat up in real life.

Needs to be improved to detect more annoying IMO.

OP is lucky he didn't go on his drunken rant in West Hollywood and get beat up by trans women.

Sanji Kuro AshiApr 21, 20171 votes

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This is mostly just me venting to be honest, but it's also to point out just how harsh the instant feedback system is. After reading the rules about it I don't have much hope for getting my ban lifted or shortened. Basically got absolutely plastered last night and decided to go on a toxic rampage, which lasted all of one game. Also I threw up in my sink which isn't relevant at all but there you go. The thing is, I'm not normally a toxic player, I don't have a history of being toxic, I've never been suspended or chat restricted. I'm sure I've been reported for random off the wall things, since people tend to report for pretty dumb reasons sometimes.

I'm not defending my behavior at all, I realize there need to be consequences and I was being extremely toxic, no doubt that literally everyone reported me. But wow. Instant permaban. After one game, to a player who's usually pretty positive actually. I like the idea of the instant feedback system, but I think it could seriously use some work in differentiating truly toxic players from people like me who just had a bad day.

hard to believe that story...did your ban card only show 1 game? i doutb that, usually its 3