Talon needs 1 change to b in lcs

tyfighter1515·Apr 28, 2014·1 votes·1,324 views

I'm just curious here. I love talon and he is by far the best ad assassin in the game in terms of the killing someone the fastest. All you need to do riot is change Talon's "E". Keep talon's amplified damage and take away the 1 sec silence. If talon gets an assist or kill his "E" gets a reset. I think this would have talon emerge as another option for mid in the lcs, ogn, etc. Just a thought, I have always wondered why he has never gotten this. Talon can only kill 1 person then has to wait for his e to come off cd. his q is a short cd to give him something like kha.

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Hyrum GraffApr 28, 20141 votes

Diana At least he has an escape.

But actually, if you want to talk about assassins without resets, Diana Ahri Fizz Leblanc Syndra But honestly if you want to play a champ with resets, there are plenty to do that already.

CerbearusApr 29, 20141 votes

Diana gets resets if played correctly.

Ahri gets 3 free dashes anyway.

Fizz goes untargetable and has 3 effective dashes on a fairly short CD.

Leblanc can go in, kill, and get out, TWICE, on a very low CD.

Syndra isn't an assassin, just a high burst mage that kills anyone who walks near.

Talon's dash has to be on an enemy, unlike kha/leb/fizz/ahri, has a long CD, and doesn't do any damage. He needs changes, not buffs, but giving him resets won't work because he doesn't have low enough CD's to capitalize on it.

Hyrum GraffApr 29, 20141 votes

Waiting for your q to come up again isn't a true reset, though.

It amplifies his other damage. As I've seen, talon is more than capable of assassinating someone and getting out. Granted I haven't played him much. You have a fair point though, about his escape being his ult (OK, you didn't say this, but it's basically your point - that his ability to assassinate one target, then do it again a few seconds later, is much less than other assassins). What changes would you like to see?

CerbearusApr 29, 20141 votes

He feels a lot like old Rengar in that you either blow your target up instantly (and then die), or you don't and you end up dying anyway. Kha can get out with 6 seconds of invisibility + damage reduction + speed boost and Zed can just pop back out with his ult shadow. So much of Talon's damage is tied to his only escape that you have to choose whether to double-tap it before they can react, or run away with it (although it is only 3 seconds so it isn't really enough to get away).

He is the least safe assassin in the game, but doesn't do a ton of damage to compensate.

I would say remove the silence from his E (Riot is looking to remove silences from all assassins anyway) and add some other functionality to it, such as being able to jump to an ally with it (but maybe increasing the CD if you do that).

Also the damage amp is pretty low for an assassin. 15% isn't much (it has to be level 5 to get to that) and it also only lasts 3 seconds. Ahri's charm damage amp lasts twice as long, and has a 2 second stun attached to it, along with a decent amount of damage. It makes sense that it should be a bit stronger because it is a skillshot, but it is a LOT more powerful that cutthroat and is not punished at all for missing it. Zed gets 25% AD with Living Shadow at level 5, and the jump can go anywhere, not just enemies. He also gets a further multiplier with his ult amping his damage 20/35/50% !!

I realize Talon has higher non-amped damage than Zed, so my suggestion is lowering the damage on all his AoE skills (Rake, Shadow Assault) and increasing the damage amp on Cutthroat.

Hyrum GraffApr 30, 20141 votes

I'd still argue that diana is the least safe assassin, but that's neither here nor there.

Angry MonsterApr 28, 20141 votes

you got to be stupid.

This is the worst idea ever. Assassins are supposed to delete 1 person. AGAIN 1. not whole teams. The reason you do not see talon is cause AD assassins leave huge holes in a team comp.

Lets just let a champ with amp damage run around freely in a team fight. And break the whole game. Yeah he would be 100% pick ban in LCS and normal games. THAT STAT ISN'T SOMETHING YOU SHOULD REACH FOR!

Katarina Has resets since she has no damage amp, no invisibility, and no CC at all. At top levels you have to be prefect in position and have a bit of luck. This is why she has resets.

Hyrum GraffApr 29, 20141 votes

The reason you do not see talon is cause AD assassins leave huge holes in a team comp.

Meanwhile Zed .

AD assassins leave a hole in team comps if you don't adjust your team comp accordingly. But if you're playing an AP top (ryze), they're fine.

Angry MonsterApr 30, 20141 votes

I see so little zed play. I would not say that zed is putting out talon.

Also while ap top is viable. A lot of players do not move out of bruiser tops since they are always in meta.

Hyrum GraffApr 30, 20141 votes

And while they do, my topnivia will continue to dominate, huehuehue.

ThalesApr 28, 20141 votes

He's not supposed to be Kha. Actually, that's kind of part of the problem. What is Talon supposed to be, anyhow? Right now, he's just the assassin with a lot of AOE damage and low counterplay, and that's kind of an unhealthy place to be in. His ult is cool and distinctive, but the rest of his kit could use some actual identity.