Will Viktor Tweaks Include Tier 2 Augments?

Bob the Hobo·Jul 28, 2014·3 votes·2,642 views

Solcrushed tried to take on Viktor and it nearly killed him, but now, there's fresh blood in the form of Meddler working on him. To the new blood: godspeed, and I hope you finish Viktor before he finishes you!

All joking aside, Solcrushed came up with a pretty sick looking tier two Augment kit for Viktor. What are the chances a variant of this kit could see play?

For those who haven't seen it: tadaa!

EDIT: Sorry, I should have mentioned this. The augment stats were meant to be alpha test stats, which are meant to be OP to test their viability, then slowly nerfed down.

And here's where the Tier 2 augment picture came from, very bottom of the page.

26 Comments

PhoneixflareJul 28, 20142 votes

these would make viktor a top lcs pick almost immediately lol LET IT HAPPEN RIOT PLEASE BRING RUSSIA TO THE FRONTLINES OF BATTLE MAKE REVOLUTION

KorkalusJul 28, 20142 votes

I like these changes, could really make the cost of havin 1 slot less.

I like the yellow one! >:D

Goldenelk598Jul 28, 20142 votes

If Riot is planning on keeping it as a full item then yes I think it needs a buff. Its not nearly good enough as is to be a late game item compared to what you can get in the shop, but they definitely need to tweak these numbers down quite a bit. They are way too high and would make him a super strong mid lanner and ban on sight champion for sure if these hit live play.

SeilleasJul 28, 20142 votes

I personally think that Viktor is fine, the only thing is that u cant sell his item for another upgrade if u choose so or that u cant build items cuz of it because u have less space for components, thats all

AdaptiveCoffeeJul 28, 20141 votes

It seems to me like the numbers on these are super broken. I don't mind the idea of being able to upgrade his tech more but I think it should be tied to something and very carefully balanced.

Example: After level 12 he can gain one of the "Evolve Ability" powers (but slightly nerfed because jeebus those are OP) and leave off the extra added stats.

25% cdr for 2k gold, 30% mpen for the same? 35 tenacity!!! these are absurdly cheap and ridiculously strong, numbers need some balancing but cool concept that should be implemented. It even fits with his lore.

PhoneixflareJul 28, 20141 votes

you also have to realize that he always has 1 less item slot so his mid game power spike should be a bit better since late game he is going to be suboptimal in comparison to 6 item builds. Otherwise, by doing this, he has a late game relevance...especially with death storm...20% more damage...oh yeah...30% penetration on top of my void staff? mucho damage. Me gusta.

Angry MonsterJul 28, 20141 votes

The point of a 2nd tier upgrade is to make it like a full last item. These ideas make the next item stronger than anything in game.

PhoneixflareJul 28, 20142 votes

Hardly. Not many things are better than Zhonya's and Rabcap tbh. Also...have you seen Trinity Force?

Angry MonsterJul 28, 20141 votes

Yeah, Non scaling phyiscal damage based of based AD..... alots of movement speed but CC or CC removal, and very little health with some crit.... and all that for almost 3.5k

ITs a ball of stats but lets be honest minus sheen named-unique(keyword) passive nothing to amazing. Tri force is not insta win.

Now look at the these suggestions. 4+ap per lvl is 112 ap. Only 8 behind Large rod items.

25% crd is a crazy stat. you can not even consider using current % per gold value. You could be at 40% with runes and masteries. possiblly game breaking in its self.

Then you got to worry about the extra power up of the spell. Not sure what a AOE silence would be, especially if it was after the stun.(very strong)

12% movement..... you got to be kidding.... on a AP..... Lich only give 5% and thats a 3k item.

that is just talking about the first possible upgrade choice. that is differently 5k in total stats.

The person who created these things do not understand cost values. Just proven

PhoneixflareJul 28, 20141 votes

But that's the thing...trinity force HAS sheen proc 2.0 so you can just discount that fact.

You are still ignoring the fact that this item has to be strong because its a dedicated item slot that you cannot sell or anything. That leaves with boots only 4 item slots...for all items. Viktor needs a power spike. I think this is a place to start and if its really as broken as you think, then riot just can Nerf the numbers immediately in the next patch after the one including this kind of update. Honestly Viktor isn't in a great spot right now and it fits with his theme of becoming the greatest and most powerful inventor and to start a revolution

Angry MonsterJul 28, 20141 votes

at base damage aka non scaling. So i think the highest base AD is like 130. So it does an exta 230? GAME BREAKING NOT.

Viktors last item should be the equivalent of a completed large rod item, Not double a large rod item. This is were we disagree. You are trying to make the 5th slot worth 2 items when other champs do not get to do this. Plus Victor can get Death cap, void, Athens, Zohnas, At this point he is not that far behind other traditional mages. No one with victors range or spell types is going to get a Deathfire so its a off item that victor is only missing.

You think that the only way victor will be viable is to make him the strongest. I think that victor just needs reasonable buffs. The OP attachment is anything but reasonable.

PhoneixflareJul 29, 20142 votes

God forbid we make Viktor mid strong and change the meta around.

Angry MonsterJul 29, 20141 votes

Strong does not change meta, Just means nerfs later on.

I am talking about healthy changes you are talking about just making OP.

Angry MonsterJul 28, 20141 votes

I am not sure who came up with these numbers or ideas.....(bronze 5 kid?) This stiff is why Riot can not actually listen to the community. You are talking almost 5k worth of stats for 2k.

I am all for 2 tier upgrades or revamping the original so they actually scale better. But do not expect anything like those pictures.

PhoneixflareJul 28, 20141 votes

He has a whole item slot less. He deserves those stats for not being able to have an optimal 6 item build. He cant even hold other items in his inventory to build other items because of it. I mean, if you have pots and a ward(god forbid you have a pink ward as well), you can have 3 other items in your inventory. Add in boots, you have 2 item slots left. Those are your main core damage items, aka either zhonya, deathfire, or rabcap. Due to having his item all the time, you are limited severely by what you can do.

Knight SoIaire Jul 28, 20141 votes

5k worth of stats for 3k gold (a little corrrection) thats what all midders get atm (this insane cost effectivness) and well seems kinda ballanced for me (when it comes to cost effectiveness)

still its too op as you said (but the cost effectivness is not as wicked as you think)
i personaly always wanted the yellow augments have a special passive, something like a battery for his shield, he has a cap of lets say 500 units of shield and uses his q to charge it (like the bloodthirster) yellow aug always had to make viktor a tanky mage but hp itself cant do that

ok so now a little informations that i did read a long time ago so listen children

riot was messing around with the mechanic that viktor's abilities wont be upgraded by the hex core, but instead by normal items lets say that you buy a rabbadons death cap and your e gets upgraded they wanted to make viktor an item master but it seems to me like they left the idea and will go with making the hex core better, also they wont make it a trinket (this info is fresh yet), they feel like it has to be a full item

CaptainWednesdayJul 28, 20141 votes

In my opinion, I do not see these changes making their way to live play. I think the moving force of Viktor changes are to move his Augment to a Trinket, lower it's power, and enable Viktor to buy a sixth item (just like the Rengar changes).

In any case, those stats seem **very **strong. The goal is to get Viktor back into play, not over-power him to make everyone want to play him.

PhoneixflareJul 28, 20141 votes

You can always increase the costs of the items to match their gold efficiency

SeilleasJul 28, 20142 votes

that wont do, because it will be the same as yasuo then, gets core item>kill everybody (viktor is ranged tho...)

CaptainWednesdayJul 29, 20141 votes

Exactly.

PhoneixflareJul 29, 20141 votes

It would take him significantly long to save up for the item. By that time he's not very useful or he has to buy other things. Also...if for yasuo you are referring to statik shiv and you think he wins the game off of that then you are kinda crazy.... I was talking like instead of 3k...maybe 4.5k. That way its only 500 gold less than its worth in stats.

CaptainWednesdayJul 29, 20141 votes

It's still too strong for a unique item. Augment needs to be moved into a trinket form.

Bob the HoboJul 28, 20141 votes

They are very strong, I should have included more info >.< These were meant to be alpha test stats, which are meant to be OP to test their viability, then slowly nerfed down. I'll add a note about this

InvalidGuestJul 28, 20141 votes

I approve this Viktor give him the rengar treatment please riot

ZarkkastJul 28, 20141 votes

A two second AoE silence? Seriously? lol

Whoever balanced this really has no idea what they're doing. There's a reason they removed Kassadin's and LeBlanc's silences and those weren't even AoE or 2s, not to mention the other overpowered stats in the other augments.

I love Viktor, but this would push him from "not played" to "pick and win".

PhoneixflareJul 29, 20141 votes

Or...banned forever.