Can Thresh have a little less Demacia, please?

46009412_DEL··65 votes·5,432 views

As a Thresh main, I find this issue a bit troubling. When playing as Thresh in game, if I hook (Q) Lux while she is ulting, even though I am not in range of the ult, I will still take damage. This has happened to me twice, both times has gotten me killed. Anyone else find this happening to them?

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Asyde35 votes

Dear OP, post this in your thread. This is a video of the exact problem your having. It will help Riot address the issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkKXj59X7zs

kDrakari4 votes

Well that's pretty clear. My question is, does it CHANGE the direction of the ult, or does it still hit the normal direction as well?

Asyde5 votes

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Well that's pretty clear. My question is, does it CHANGE the direction of the ult, or does it still hit the normal direction as well?

Not sure, haven't found any other videos with different interactions of the bug.

My guess (purely conjecture) is that since there is a time delay from when the animation starts to when the damage is applied, the animation gets separated from the damage output. Basically, hook lands just after animation starts but before the damage has initiated. Since Lux's direction has now been forced to change in-between when the animation starts and when the damage launches, it redirected the damage but not the animation.

Logic path: Lux initiates spell > Lux stops moving > Animation Initiates in current direction > Thresh lands hook (animation still going) > Lux direction forced to change (animation still going) > Damage now initiates in current direction (different from animation) > Animation finishes (still in initial direction)

46009412_DEL2 votes

One small change. The animation finishes while intended, damage hits both directions (two lux ults at once, one at the initial aim and the second towards thresh.)

lildyo5 votes

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One small change. The animation finishes while intended, damage hits both directions (two lux ults at once, one at the initial aim and the second towards thresh.)

I know for a fact it's not damaging in two directions. It's a visual bug only. I know this as someone who used to play a lot of Lux. There's a bug where you can start channelling Final Spark in one direction and then flash in a different direction. The ult will visually appear to go in the direction you were channelling, but it will only damage in the direction you flashed in.

TL;DR this is a bug where the visual effect of Final Spark does not update if the direction Lux is facing changes as she's channelling.

Emperor Time4 votes

Holy shit that's on old summoners rift, how long has this bug been in the fucking game?!

Banana Nations4 votes

There are a lot of bugs that stay in the dark for a long time like this one. Alike to Shen not teleporting to people sometimes that lasted for 2 seasons I believe.

LankPants3 votes

Lux's ult has always done this.

The visual is locked when she aims the ult but the actual hitbox isn't decided until she fires it. Because you force Lux to turn around with Threshes hook you forced Lux's ult to swing 90 degrees too.

Personally I don't mind that Lux's ult can be moved, it seems pretty reasonable actually. I'd like it if Riot could update the ult graphic so it moved with her though.

Rendarkan8 votes

The ultimate team kill. Making Lux turn and look at you.

Thresh - "IM HELPING!" Lux -Pentakill-

Surge061 votes

Lux I ignore your reality and establish Demacia's

Hello I am Bird21 votes

Garen Less Demacia?!

SMITE HIM DOWN!!!

Blitzidious13 votes

Garen

BREAK THEIR RANKS!!!

Lord Boltrix9 votes

Garen JUSTICE!

Zorasama11 votes

Garen FOR THE CAUSE!!!

General Esdeath 3 votes

Darius

NOXUS!!!

Asyde4 votes

{quoted}

Darius

NOXUS!!!

Go home, Darius. You're Drunk

JöJö6 votes

{quoted}

Go home, Darius. You're Dunk

I am so sorry ... I had to though

Asyde2 votes
J E B A ł T E D1 votes

Bad meme and you should feel bad.

Shinirup1 votes

Swain Darius comes home, when I say he comes home!

J Eevo4 votes

Final spark is a cast, not a channel, There's no way to cancel it if she already started casting it, regardless of what you do, same thing with Ezreal's ult.

#EDIT: And I'll remind you THIS is a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfg1XgHyx_k So yeah, spaghetti coding at it's best.

Uiraya13 votes

He's saying he's getting hit by it even when she's aiming it somewhere else.

Which, while hilarious, is probably unintended.

46009412_DEL2 votes

what he said^

J Eevo2 votes

I guess because the Thresh hook physically drags your opponent (Which btw, is coded as them WALKING TOWARDS YOU, because spaghetti coding) it counts as lux turning towards you.

Which I'm not gonna lie, sounds hilarious xD

46009412_DEL2 votes

can anyone confirm that it is coded this way? because if true, should this be qualified as a bug, therefore should be fixed? or should i be banning lux whenever I get support in dyna queue?

Akenero1 votes

It's actually coded as a knock back, since yasuo can ult off of it(knockup and knock back are the same)

Pledgie1 votes

no, flay is considered a knockup/knockback (displacement) while q is coded as a stun.

46009412_DEL4 votes

Yas can ult of thresh q

Pledgie1 votes

ive never seen that happen before

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Thresh hook has a 2 second stun, and 2 0.25 second displacements (The pulling animation).

Any time you hove against your will, it's a displacement and Yas can ult off it. Some champions can displace themselves (Ziggs and thresh lantern), but the system delineates between allied and enemy displacements. Technically, there are no knock-ups (Contrary to Yas' tooltip).

Pledgie1 votes

wow thats crazy i had no idea. but a quarter of a second to react and ult is probably why ive never seen it done in my elo.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

If you just kinda spam r on someone being held by thresh, you will get it.

iamthegoatofwar3 votes

it can stop if you KILL them mid cast. I believe riot has said that's the only way to stop their ults.

Fear Popo1 votes

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Final spark is a cast, not a channel, There's no way to cancel it if she already started casting it, regardless of what you do, same thing with Ezreal's ult.

Didn't read the OP, comments anyway. gg

J Eevo1 votes

"As a Thresh main, I find this issue a bit troubling. When playing as Thresh in game, if I hook (Q) Lux while she is ulting, even though I am not in range of the ult, I will still take damage. "

B-But literally everything I said is true - she casts it, you turn her around, she fires on you instead of her target, but she still fires, since it can't be interrupted.

Also, this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfg1XgHyx_k is a thing and has been for ages.

LazyW0lf2 votes

Are other teammates being hit? The only thing I could think of would be spaghetti code where when thresh hooks somebody, they are force to face him, turning Final Spark towards you and basically becoming the sacrificial lamb.

46009412_DEL2 votes

other teammates are being hit, it doesn't drag Lux so she faces me. Her ult hits her regular path, and damages me as well, although I am not in range of her ult.

desertoflame2 votes

This is a visual bug If you flash right before the HAAAAAAA you can hit the laser at the place you are facing after the flash. Since thresh hook makes her look in your direction, it is basicly being casted at you but the animation doesnt change

Rozair2 votes

Lux ult should be canceled by it because she is channeling. this is he biggest glitch about it

Phairdy1 votes

Nope, it is not a channel, Just a delayed ult nothing glitchy about it.

ArlanKels1 votes

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Lux ult should be canceled by it because she is channeling. this is he biggest glitch about it

You can't stun or silence or otherwise stop it from happening once she activates it.

Aeolian Melodies2 votes

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Lux ult should be canceled by it because she is channeling. this is he biggest glitch about it

She isn't channeling, she has a casting animation to provide a delay to make the skill easier to avoid.

Luxs Destiny1 votes

So, to recreate,

Cast Death Sentence Lux cast Final Spark before Death Sentence connects Take damage from Final Spark, regardless of position

Am I understanding this correctly?

46009412_DEL2 votes

exactly. happened to me twice so far, I believe its a consistent bug.

Luxs Destiny2 votes

It may be possible that your hook is being counted as a part of your champion, and since it wraps around Lux and drags her, the final spark would hit the hook (started near her character model) and would deal damage to you.

46009412_DEL2 votes

I doubt this is true, one of the two times it happened I hit her from behind her, which would mean i was out of ult range entirely.

Luxs Destiny3 votes

** It may be possible that your hook is being counted as part of your champion model** since it wraps around Lux and drags her, the Final Spark would hit the hook

SpankMyPhatAshe1 votes

{quoted}

As a Thresh main, I find this issue a bit troubling. When playing as Thresh in game, if I hook (Q) Lux while she is ulting, even though I am not in range of the ult, I will still take damage. This has happened to me twice, both times has gotten me killed. Anyone else find this happening to them?

Woah woah woah If your hooking lux you are forsure in range of that ult LOL! Do you know how far her ult goes?! I lol'ed so hard when you said that. 2ed if she gets moved while ulting the lazer will move towards that direction say as you hook her you are moving her too you thus your getting a face full of ult. Its not a bug [slayer-jinx-catface]

LithiumWednesday4 votes

I mean you're not wrong but I think he means that he's hooked her from an angle where her ult wouldn't normally hit him

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