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Riot needs to fix this. This is a major problem across lower ELO

Zektrus·6/18/2017, 6:14:24 PM·18 votes·1,495 views
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Soo 3rd time in series to SILVER 2 . You know how it is people oyu play with dont care or don't play properly and lose your series for you right? What if that is because the people on your team ACTUALLY dont play as good as you because they can't not because they are making mistakes?

Seriously, the picture says it all I lost my game with 2 unranked players and a bronze + 2 silvers (me and a pre) against a Bronze, 2 Silvers(same as my team right? annnnnnnnnnnnd A plat 5 and a Dia 5! Thats fair right? I lost fair and square right? Or am I actually being screwed by the system here? I can beat plats in lane I jsut want to get Plat this season and with this assumingly flawed MMR algorithem I cant even get gold!

EDIT: NO, this isn't a once off. It happens fairly offten, this is just the time where it was MOST extreme. Where Plat and Dia players stop silver's from climbing. It's very apparent here why this game is soo toxic and most of my friends are droping it entierly.

18 Comments

Zielmann6/18/2017, 6:50:50 PM6 votes

The reasoning is that it's flex queue. None of those sites that show details of your current match and estimated MMR properly distinguish between solo queue and flex. So while this may appear to be a major matchmaking error, in reality, it's not all that bad (numerically... doesn't stop that there's a large skill gap in the players). Basically, the sites are showing you everybody's current solo queue ranking, even though it's a flex queue game. Solo and flex have completely different rankings and MMR, though.

The plat and diamond players were Gold 5 in flex queue. If you look at flex queue rankings instead of solo queue, the teams were Silver 3, Silver 4, 3x Unranked vs. Bronze 5, Silver 5, Silver 2, 2x Gold 5.

The 3 unranked players are a great example of why Silver 1/2 really, really sucks, though. The default MMR on accounts who haven't played in a given queue is roughly that of Silver 1/2. When you get the unranked players in, it becomes total roulette on what kind of allies you'll get. Maybe you've got the person who is pretty skilled, but just starting to grind flex queue. Or maybe you get the person that's not very experienced and just jumping into ranked for the first time, and they happen to go flex queue. It makes high silver an awful experience in any queue. (I should know, I'm trying to grind back into gold in solo queue and am in S1 right now).

This isn't to say that it's completely justified. There are definitely things that could be done to help make this experience better. For accounts new to ranked, perhaps they could try to estimate a better starting MMR based on the MMR they have in the normal queues. Or if they're placed in one queue, they could use that to adjust their MMR slightly in the other queue if they start to play there.

Fisher No Chains6/18/2017, 7:49:52 PM6 votes

On my lv 30 smurf (unranked, with something like 120 normals played) I have been placed vs master tier people. I was unranked, had 2 diamond and 2 more unranked in my team, vs 1 master, 3 diamond and 1 unranked ex plat guy.

We still won because I'm not the average unranked lv 30 and I'm smurfing, but what about legit lv 30 people with no experience vs master tier players? How is that even fair?

General Esdeath 6/18/2017, 9:50:16 PM6 votes

"Remember, it's nobody's fault but your own that you win/lose a game"

-Riot Game

:^)

Nightingales Sky6/18/2017, 6:19:54 PM2 votes

Wow... and it considers both teams MMR so close too... wow. That could actually explain a lot.

Mr Rontastic6/18/2017, 6:27:07 PM2 votes

It's flex, it's not that big of a deal.

DrCyanide6/18/2017, 6:44:47 PM2 votes

Why are you using Solo Queue rankings for a Flex Queue MMR comparison?

Sona - Unranked (Queued with Ashe and Zed) Ashe - Unranked (Queued with Sona and Zed) Zed - Unranked (Queued with Sona and Ashe) Diana - Silver 3 (Queued with Garen) Garen - Silver 4 (Queued with Diana)

VS

Zyra - Silver 2 (solo) Xayah - Gold 5 (queued with Shaco) Jayce - Silver 5 (solo) Shaco - Gold 5 (queued with Xayah) Riven - Unranked at the time, Bronze 5 afterwards (solo)

Riot considers Unranked players Silver for the sake of queueing up, so you've got a team with 5 silvers against a team with 2 silvers, 2 gold 5's, and 1 bronze. The team with the Golds has more Solo players in it, which should work against them.

DefNotATroll6/19/2017, 11:01:27 AM1 votes

This is flex queue lol

nobody takes flex seriously because of how easy it is to get boosted