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Liandry's Torment is currently broken

Bug Splat Report··112 votes·18,443 views

The following is a bug report I just sent in because we just figured it out. If you build Liandry's Torment, you're losing damage because the item is bugged. Try replicating it for yourself in the practice tool.

​While in game many times we noticed that we would do no damage so my friend and I jumped into the practice tool and were able to replicate it. (Most easily replicated on amumu) 1, build liandrys torment 2, put out a training dummy 3, turn on w and burn the dummy (note 3 types damage tickers: 2 magic (blue) and 1 % of health (white)) 4, walk away and let the dummy heal with w still going 5, walk back up to the dummy and let the w hit it again (% of health (white) damage is gone, dps is changed too)

this can be remedied if you auto attack the target (It allows the % of health damage to burn again) This is amazingly detrimental to ranged mages considering most close range champions don't build liandrys.

Expected result, Liandrys burns for a percentage of their health Actual result, Liandrys shows the animation but does no extra damage

-BSR

44 Comments

Kuro SF17 votes

my zyra dmg has been feeling lackluster, i wonder if this is why

Bug Splat Report5 votes

I tested it on amumu, fiddlesticks, vel'koz, annie, teemo, and ziggs, didn't test on zyra. Hop in and test it out.

The real Comm3 votes

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I tested it on amumu, fiddlesticks, vel'koz, annie, teemo, and ziggs, didn't test on zyra. Hop in and test it out.

Makes sense my last game with Teemo I saw this, thought it might have just been that game or I was missing something but thanks. good catch, good report.

Garen is adopted10 votes

Hmm, but isn't liandry magic damage? That means it's numbers color should be blue, as white is true damage?

Cheini2 votes

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Hmm, but isn't laundry magic damage? That means it's numbers color should be blue, as white is true damage?

yep what i was thinking exactly.. the true damage must be the curse passive

still, aa definitely shouldnt reset it!

GelsominoKiller9 votes

Super useful report good job

GonahtanuGepardi6 votes

This is not a bug but you misunderstanding how amumu works. I tested it in practice tool and it worked like it should. The 2 blue ones are amumu's w and liandry. The white damage is true damage from his passive and it only comes if you basic attack the enemy or ult them at any time. The passive is refreshed on the target if you deal any magic damage to them while the passive debuff is active. So the reason the white damage stops is because you let the passive wear out and didn't use basic attacks to reapply it.

I didn't test it on fiddle sticks or anything but i'm assuming you think they are bugged because there is no white damage but white damage is only for true damage and champions like fiddle don't have true damage.

Do not make bug reports before you have actually even read what the abilities do.

Bug Splat Report5 votes

Hi, it's very apparent you didn't test it because I'm able to get that white damage dot on all the other champions I've listed following an auto attack.

Don't make bad comments when you don't test it out.

GonahtanuGepardi2 votes

Hi, it's very apparent you didn't test it because I'm able to get that white damage dot on all the other champions I've listed following an auto attack.

What do you think you are gaining by lying? I even went out of my way to test it myself on all the champions you mentioned plus cassiopeia and amumu was the only champion who could create a white dot (because of his passive). Every single other champion dealt magic or physical damage with their attacks, vel'koz dealing true damage with his passive but not as a dot because it isn't a dot.

Don't make bad comments when you don't test it out.

I tested them out, you clearly didn't. Everyone here who tested your theories agrees with me and the only ones agreeing with you are the people who didn't test anything out themselves. So what do you gain from this, huh? Enjoying wasting everyone's time making troll posts and wasting Riot's resources on troll bug reports? You are sad...

Draining5 votes

This is not a bug.

White damage is true damage, and only comes from amumu's passive, when you auto attack someone. The Liandry's effect is magic damage, and as you said yourself there were 2 instances of magic damage, 1 being your w and the other being liandry's. There is no bug, please read the item description next time.

https://i.gyazo.com/c0ef88185d216b137563e7a7bd3a3f90.mp4 (Proof just in case)

Bug Splat Report4 votes

I said it was easily repeatable on amumu, not only on amumu. I've tested this on 30+ champions.

Kazekiba1 votes

You'll get the wite damage WITHOUT Liandrys, because Liandrys doesnt do True damage

Trias0004 votes

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3, turn on w and burn the dummy (note 3 types damage tickers: 2 magic (blue) and 1 % of health (white)) 4, walk away and let the dummy heal with w still going 5, walk back up to the dummy and let the w hit it again (% of health (white) damage is gone, dps is changed too)

The white number is true damage from Amumu's passive. From your description it looks like it disappeared because you didn't autoattack.

Bug Splat Report4 votes

Test it on other champions, not just amumu.

TheLastShadow453 votes

I just went in and tested it with amumu and found nothing wrong.

Bug Splat Report3 votes

A lot of people are saying the white dmg tick is from amumu, but like I said, I tested this on a lot of champs.

Here's a few stills I took. I don't have video or anything, but you can see the white damage (supposedly from amumu). If it were amumu's true dmg, why does fid, kaisa, and ziggs do true dmg?

https://imgur.com/a/Y6zWz23

GonahtanuGepardi6 votes

After inspecting the pictures, i found the reason.

You are using cheap shot rune from domination tree and that causes the white damage (true damage).

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Cheap_Shot

To see for yourself, click the link and hover over the damage numbers in the rune description and it will show you how much damage it does on each champion level. The numbers match your levels and damages on the pictures.

Try to get white damage on ziggs or fiddle etc without using cheap shot and it shouldn't happen anymore.

Prozzak2 votes

Seems to be something to do with one skill being pressed and lasting (I would guess) longer than 3 seconds based on what you said. It bugs out when no new inputs have happened so it isn't getting triggered again to start the burn. Seems like this would impact a very small subset of champs but maybe I am reading this wrong?

Bug Splat Report4 votes

It's not just one skill being pressed and lasting. With fiddlesticks, throwing an e (Dark Wind) anyone hit doesn't take burn damage unless you auto attack. Fear, drain, ult...none matter until you auto attack them once to reset the debuff. I think it has something to do with their healing. I've found they don't have to heal all the way back up either. If they heal at all then it's like it turns liandry's off. After testing this in several ARAMs with Kai'sa (w), Lissandra (q,w,e,r), Nasus (e), and Shaco (w,e), I've found it affects them too.

Also, after hitting one person (and they heal any) and you hit a different person, the burn doesn't go on the other person. You HAVE to auto attack the champion to reset the burn. You can't even auto attack a minion. I've been testing it on most champs I've tried. If they have an ap ratio, it affects them. Auto attack based champs like Diana, Akali, etc. would still be affected, but they wouldn't feel the effects of it since they auto attack so often.

Any ranged poke champions get kind of devastated.

GonahtanuGepardi6 votes

Liandry's is working as intended. The OP is just misunderstanding how amumu works which causes all the confusion.

ChaosReyn2 votes

This is similar to the Morello and Red Buff bugs in TFT - if the burn lasts longer than "x", where x is the amount of time for the standard burn effect (I think it's over 4 seconds on Liandri? I know its 10s on the TFT items) then the burn will stop applying damage. Meaning, on people who dont constantly re-apply burn damage from the same spell (i.e., if you built it on Ryze) then it should work normally. But on someone who applies the debuff multiple times from the same spell (any DoT effect, or summon effect...Teemo, Fid, Zyra, Amumu, etc...) then the burn will stop applying from that spell after x time has passed, even though the spell should be reseting Liandri's on every tick of the DoT, or attack from the summon.

They can theoretically fix this in the same manner they did the TFT item bugs.

CarneDElev2 votes

It's not

14daysuspensionk2 votes

I'm wondering when this bug started...Considering the item is in a couple of my builds.

GonahtanuGepardi2 votes

There is no bug.

14daysuspensionk2 votes

{quoted}

There is no bug.

So then why is it in ''report a BUG''?

KFCeytron3 votes

{quoted}

So then why is it in ''report a BUG''?

Creating a thread in Report a Bug is not, itself, confirmation of a bug.

KlydeFrog1 votes

There is no bug you misunderstand how the item works soooo yah

KFCeytron2 votes

{quoted}

There is no bug you misunderstand how the item works soooo yah

Are you sure you replied to the right person? I didn't even comment on the actual bug.

14daysuspensionk1 votes

{quoted}

Creating a thread in Report a Bug is not, itself, confirmation of a bug.

How do you know it'sot one? In what world would be intentionally giving you less dmg on an item be intended by Riot?

GonahtanuGepardi1 votes

It's not a bug because it doesn't give you reduced damage. That's the whole point. It can't be a bug if there is nothing wrong.

14daysuspensionk1 votes

{quoted}

It's not a bug because it doesn't give you reduced damage. That's the whole point. It can't be a bug if there is nothing wrong.

But it is not working the way it's supposed to.

GonahtanuGepardi1 votes

It is working the way it's supposed to...

KFCeytron2 votes

{quoted}

How do you know it'sot one? In what world would be intentionally giving you less dmg on an item be intended by Riot?

  1. I don't know it's not a bug. And you don't know it is a bug. This information cannot be inferred from the mere fact that a thread was posted in this Board. I could post a thread in Report a Bug stating that I am a potato if I wanted to.
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INoble KnightI2 votes

Explain some of my damage loss on Singed

O for Orianna1 votes

I have a feeling Riot won't fix this

El Condor Pasa1 votes

Are you using the Cheap Shot rune?

MistsOfMystery1 votes

Hmmm well this is unfortunate... hope they fix it lol [zombie-brand-facepalm]

ExplodingFist661 votes

Good nerf to mages

MasterWee1 votes

This is not broken as I have tested it out myself and there is NO BUG and NO PROBLEM WITH LIANDRY'S TORMENT. The confusion comes either from the Amumu passive, or a possible use of the "Cheapshot" under the domination tree (first row rune). This would cause true damage to impaired units (i.e. unites who are disabled/slowed in some way). OP mentioned a few champs and some of them fit this bill (Shaco w,e; Liss q,w,e,r) but some don't (Nasus e; Kai'sa w). The screenshot of Ziggs shows true damage values of "16" and "28" which would be consistent with the 15-45 true damage range of "Cheap Shot"; this makes sense as Ziggs' e slows and would thus be able to proc "Cheap Shot". However, "Cheap Shot" has a 4 second cooldown which would mean some other form of true damage is responsible in addition to, or instead of "Cheap Shot".

In conclusion, Liandry's is working AS INTENDED. The form of true damage must be coming from another source and with my guess being rune related. Liandry's should not AND DOES NOT do true damage (white number text).

GonahtanuGepardi2 votes

He posted still pictures of the white damage and they are indeed from cheap shot. Levels and damages match perfectly.

ACriticalThinker1 votes

This is a staple item on my Iron Revenant... what the heck ...

Inari Fox Orrion1 votes

Do you really think they'll fix it?

LordGeovanni1 votes

as if item was ever not broken.

MorgManBasher1 votes

So is this bugged currently or no? People seem to say it's not actually bugged and I'd like to know as someone that plays mostly zyra

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