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Kalista Loses Attack Speed With Runaan's Hurricane

Jonsy·2/8/2015, 4:36:45 AM·59 votes·14,643 views

I was fooling around with full attack speed Kalista putting 50 stacks on dragon when I realized that when you attack multiple enemies with Runaan's it attacks slower than if you were attacking a single target. It does not show the difference in the tooltip but just watch and it is pretty obvious. Watch the video as I attack blue buff. I start by attacking all three then when the two small ones die my attack speed shoots up while attacking a single target. This happens with all camps that have multiple monsters. This seems to happen at all attack speeds but is most noticeable at max attack speed (2.5 attacks per second) I don't believe you are suppose to lose attack speed while using Runaan's passive unless there is something I have missed.

***I retested using Runaan's + BOTRK + Berserker Grieves (a common build) which gives 2.04 Attack per second without critting for the extra attack speed at level 18. I overlapped two videos to get exact measurement. Attacking multiple targets (blue buff) got 6 auto's off in 3 seconds and while attacking single target (gromp) got off 7 autos in the exact amount of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EXU6nDNk2E

Sorry for terrible quality in video my gtx 970 is getting repaired, go go intel graphics.

35 Comments

Tis a nice day2/8/2015, 6:43:30 AM8 votes

Kalista made about 9-10 attacks in 5 seconds when attacking multiple targets. She made about 13 attacks in 5 seconds when only attacking the blue golem

edit: video was updated and my comment is no longer relevant.

Cerbearus2/8/2015, 3:49:43 PM8 votes

It is because of her fast auto attacks (the time from when she starts winding up until it hits them). The bolts from Runaans are slower and it will lock you out from further auto attacks until all bolts hit their targets. Same exact thing happens on thresh.

Repress2/8/2015, 6:34:50 PM5 votes

Upvoted, i noticed this on more than just kalista a long time ago but never took the time to post about it. Once you get to the higher speed tiers about 1.9 or above your speed actually slows down to match the hurricanes extra bolt's animation drastically cutting your speed.

brad2/8/2015, 10:24:42 AM3 votes

cool who cares shes broken as fuck anyway

Extreme Troller2/8/2015, 11:52:58 AM2 votes

Thresh has also this bug.

And thresh have another big problem : orbewalking (attack then move) at 2.5attack speed. i heard thresh attack speed orbewlking only benefit from 25% of total A.S instead of 100%. Please fix it, it litterally make thresh unplayable with attack speed build.

Jonsy2/8/2015, 3:01:23 PM2 votes

I don't think people fully understand how much this hurts kalista. With full build you will generally have around 2.0 attack speed with critting masteries and such depending on build. By my counting there were 3 extra auto attacks on a single target within 5 seconds. Which would mean 1 - 2 extra auto attacks being missed out on in normal play which with kalista rend is actually quite a bit of damage. Also the general speed that those autos are being thrown is slower meaning the second auto is being affected immediately. Think about how many times you have died because other champion attack animation was simply faster than yours.

Shaded Striker2/8/2015, 3:15:44 PM2 votes

But I just assumed people built hurricane on Kalista so that her E would constantly reset every time she used it because she'd probably kill a minion.

Lytebulb2/8/2015, 6:30:06 AM2 votes

i think its the animation thing that makes it like that. like when people stutter step/orb walk to cancel the animation to auto faster.

Worre2/8/2015, 10:41:50 PM2 votes

Decided to test this on Ashe, I didn't get the same results in one game. The attack speed was same before and after smaller creeps died.

edit: going to try this on other champions later.

FiniteApple2/8/2015, 11:08:16 PM2 votes

good

Jonsy2/9/2015, 2:43:32 AM2 votes

It is not a limitation based on the bolt speed guys, watch the second video. The bolts hit first the first 3 times and yet still shooting slower than when hitting gromp by himself. It is something within the kalista passives this does not happen on other adc making it a bug.

Vexus6/3/2015, 11:59:51 AM1 votes

pls fix

Hello I am Bird2/8/2015, 7:46:17 AM1 votes

Took 10 seconds with the blue guys Took 5 just the big guy What a waste of 5 minutes of my life xD but still, cool find doe

Envy Sin2/8/2015, 8:03:07 AM1 votes

Submit a bug report, It can be repeated.

They will fix it at some point.

L7xLoTek2/8/2015, 9:54:23 AM1 votes

Now I wonder if this is the same with all champions...

MontiR2/8/2015, 11:05:55 AM1 votes

I counted 10 attacks in 5 seconds and then once it was just on the blue counted 10 attacks in 4 seconds. She goes from 2 attack speed to 2.5 attack speed once the small creeps are dead.

Call Me Khal2/8/2015, 4:58:38 PM1 votes

What I'm seeing here is that Kalista has to wait for the bolts from Runaans to hit in order to continue AAing. I'd imagine that if the mini blue monsters were in the same spot as blue, the bolts would hit their target quicker.

Salidfingers2/8/2015, 9:07:39 PM1 votes

I thought this was already common knowledge, then again i got this information from REDDIT a while back.

Hurricane is just a bad item.

Remember to make hurricane effective you need to hit multiple targets and to hit multiple targets you are more likely to put your self in a vary bad position most games.

Celeste Benal2/9/2015, 4:56:12 PM1 votes

Agreed. Clear difference. 70% AS is 70% AS. It should not matter what you are attacking. If the bolt animation is slowing down your AS, then it needs to be fixed. Obvious bug is obvious. Why Riot no fix? Guess they just don't care that their game is so obviously bugged.

fluxanna2/20/2015, 8:02:35 PM1 votes

Could it be, this is speculation, that there can't be more than two bolts per champion at any time? Maybe you need to wait for the bolts to hit.

SlickLiq3/12/2015, 9:30:21 AM1 votes

i was really hoping for a fix (increasing the bolt speed or something) with the new patch but still nothing changed....

SlickLiq4/7/2015, 8:09:32 PM1 votes

I dont understand why Riot won't fix this. The prove is there and over 4500 people saw it. This bug kills her potential..... DO SOMETHING