@Riot Any chance the Jayce weapon bug has left "trivial" hell?

beany··28 votes·24,474 views

You know, the bug where his weapon has no animations at all for more than a year. Last I heard was that its too "trivial" to fix, but considering it also affects some of his skins which are paid products i would have hoped more priority goes into fixing this especially since other visual skin bugs get fixed all the time as well.

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Riotmoonstones44 votes

Hey beany,

I know we've had this convo before, and wanted to reply here as well. We're still standing by the decision that this is trivial, and not something the team is planning to resolve. We had a discussion around this bug when you'd initially posted it, and the team hasn't changed its mind on the issue since your initial report.

Latex Choker42 votes

It seems kind of messed up that you guys would just shrug your shoulders and say "Meh" when faced with a known issue impacting your players. Isn't that kind of the polar opposite of the Riot philosophy?

Lust3r15 votes

I think their main reasoning for their decision is that its a known issue that ISN'T impacting the players.

SMCpulse13 votes

Well it hasn't stopped them doing it in the past, but hey Jayce isn't cool enough for people to spend money on him so we aren't gonna fix him. Lets look at patch 6.14 bugfixes -Removed a few seam lines on Muay Thai Lee Sin’s model at Very Low settings -Headless Hecarim’s smoke effects no longer stutter -Fixed a texture issue on the top of Fnatic Gragas’s barrel Summoner’s Cup -Fixed a stretching issue with Pool Party Lulu’s hat during her death animation -Championship Shyvana’s teeth in dragon form are no longer super elastic when she roars

Now all of these were visual and didn't affect gameplay and theres countless of examples over 6 years, but this one example isn't worth the time? No get out, someone highlighted a bug in their game for free because they want whats best for the champion. So Rito should say "thank you for highlighting it and for still playing our game after we ignored you" and then go fix it after basically flat out telling him "we don't care about you, your opinion is TRIVIAL".

TotalJerk8 votes

Those are all texture/particle bugs. They are infinitely easier to fix.

SMCpulse2 votes

Oh I just picked examples from the last patch, this specific problem is his Cannon animation (but he a lot of other bugs , one that freezes the game). I mean remember patch 6.11 when they threw us this -TAIL WHIP Ahri’s tails now move realistically on her base and all skins! Yaaay her tail animation works better, well I want Jayce's Cannon animation to work too. How is fixing her tail (on all skins) important but Jayce's entire use of his Cannon not functioning is "trivial".

Møt6 votes

Ahri's tail wasn't a "fix", when they created the movement code for Aurelion Sol's tail they added it to a few champions. That's a much easier job than finding a bug and fixing it, which can take quite a while, especially if they decide the bug isn't hurting anything.

Gøblín4 votes

It's a broken part of their game, it should be fixed. End of story. That's how development of a massive game works (or should work in this case), you fix your bugs.

Dengeden9 votes

Which they are doing. Only not in the insanely inefficient order OP wants them to.

aphonic2 votes

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It's a broken part of their game, it should be fixed. End of story. That's how development of a massive game works (or should work in this case), you fix your bugs.

^^ You have no idea how development works. Sit down.

Valor Bot4 votes

What about when Riot gave Jinx mini rockets for her Runaan's Hurricane bolts? Seems like something of that nature would need more work than just reinstating a Champion's base animations back into the game, but what do I know; all I'm trying to say is that if they're willing to dedicate some time to minor cosmetic things for certain Champions then they should probably be willing to do it to all.

Only way I can see this being a reasonable situation is if they just have way too much on their plates right now to go about fixing Jayce's animations.

Bypha3 votes

Visual bugs/imperfections that were ACTUALLY NOTICEABLE

LF Thicc Egirls2 votes

"thank you for highlighting it and for still playing our game after we ignored you"

Lol like they really care if a few people leave the game, they've already got their money from skins and such, doesn't really bother them any.

TotalJerk10 votes

My gun doesn't twirl when I shoot it

literally unplayable.

Dengeden4 votes

It isn't impacting anyone, it's the definition of QoL.

Bypha3 votes

I will be honest with you, saying that is trivial is being way way generous IMO. I will cut it straight, that bug/broken animation or whatever is barely but REALLY BARELY NOTICEABLE and it has NO EFFECT ON GAME PLAY literally zero. So yeah, I'm with Rito on this one. And If a Rioter could sincerely respond to this "rant" it would be something likes:

Are you F***ing kidding me?

Bherrias3 votes

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It seems kind of messed up that you guys would just shrug your shoulders and say "Meh" when faced with a known issue impacting your players. Isn't that kind of the polar opposite of the Riot philosophy?

Except it's not impacting the players at all. It's a barely noticeable bug that has absolutely no effect on gameplay whatsoever THIS is the bug in question and looking at it calling it even trivial is overrating its effect.

Korlyth1 votes

How the hell do people even notice that? Are they that focused on their own character that they can notice those super minor and irrelevant details about their skins? I feel like when I'm playing I have more important shit to look at than some particles flying around my character.

Bow Wizard2 votes

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It seems kind of messed up that you guys would just shrug your shoulders and say "Meh" when faced with a known issue impacting your players. Isn't that kind of the polar opposite of the Riot philosophy?

When a company doesn't give a damn about their product it's time for the players to stop giving a damn about that company. They let bugs last for years, even bugs that made some skins feel unplayable to people like the ultimate Ezreal skin. I stopped giving my money to this company months ago because I got tired of their shit. It's just an animation but it's crucial to that characters thematic so it might not matter to a lot of people, but it matters to people that main that champion. Quit the bullshit, Katey.

Garekk19 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=hqMBAArE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-26T21:40:01.349+0000)

Hey beany,

I know we've had this convo before, and wanted to reply here as well. We're still standing by the decision that this is trivial, and not something the team is planning to resolve. We had a discussion around this bug when you'd initially posted it, and the team hasn't changed its mind on the issue since your initial report.

I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. You cant just decide a bug isnt worth fixing when it's hampering players ability to actually play the champion.

Saboodles14 votes

But it's not affecting people's ability to play the champion. The bug is just an animation not showing for his weapon changing, a ~.2 second animation isn't occurring, the weapon positioning still changes. The bug isn't as dramatic and big as you guys' are making it seem. Sure it would be nice if it got fixed, but it's still trivial and not inhibiting players.

rat king991 votes

except for the fact that the bug is causing a slight delay between when you attack and when the attack actually fires from the cannon

Ethelon3 votes

Wrong bug.

This is the bug: https://gfycat.com/QualifiedRealKagu

Nothing functional, just visual. The sides of the gun don't move slightly when you auto attack.

That's it.

Not that there aren't other Jayce bugs, but this is the one that Riot's statement responds to.

TotalJerk24 votes

How the fuck does this hamper someone's ability to play Jayce?

Sagee Prime2 votes

{quoted}

I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. You cant just decide a bug isnt worth fixing when it's hampering players ability to actually play the champion.

It's not hampering anything. It's just a visual bug with his weapon. That's why they're saying it's "trivial". Trivial or not, though, it's a known bug and should be fixed...

EKHrne8OnF1 votes

LLLLLL

Jakota9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=hqMBAArE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-26T21:40:01.349+0000)

Hey beany,

I know we've had this convo before, and wanted to reply here as well. We're still standing by the decision that this is trivial, and not something the team is planning to resolve. We had a discussion around this bug when you'd initially posted it, and the team hasn't changed its mind on the issue since your initial report.

Had to login to down vote this utter shit.

TotalJerk4 votes

Vote brigading is usually frowned upon, Redditor.

CommanderDodgers7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=hqMBAArE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-26T21:40:01.349+0000)

Hey beany,

I know we've had this convo before, and wanted to reply here as well. We're still standing by the decision that this is trivial, and not something the team is planning to resolve. We had a discussion around this bug when you'd initially posted it, and the team hasn't changed its mind on the issue since your initial report.

So what you are saying is ''We know there is a bug , but we wont fix it because we don't want to''

Youkai Ningen1 votes

{quoted}

So what you are saying is ''We know there is a bug , but we wont fix it because we don't want to''

No what they're saying is "We know there is a bug, however it's a tiny animation that isn't playing that most players won't notice and doesn't impact actual gameplay and we have quite a number of bugs that actually do that so while yes this is a bug the amount of time and effort it would take to fix isn't worth it at the current time." Have you seen the actual bug the OP is referring too? There are any number of actual bugs Jayce has, this one should be the lowest of the low in terms of priority even for Jayce himself, not to mention all the other bugs they're trying to get to the root of. They don't have an infinite number of people working on the game to debug it, they have to decide and prioritize bugs based off impact. And this one has the smallest impact imaginable, calling it a bug is misleading and saying its a trivial bug is almost quite frankly too generous.

Ariah7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=hqMBAArE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-26T21:40:01.349+0000)

Hey beany,

I know we've had this convo before, and wanted to reply here as well. We're still standing by the decision that this is trivial, and not something the team is planning to resolve. We had a discussion around this bug when you'd initially posted it, and the team hasn't changed its mind on the issue since your initial report.

So you're basically saying since this isn't a popular champion it wont be fixed? If this was even a thing on lets say Ahri, Riven, Zed etc it would have been fixed by now which is the most pathetic part about this.

Jorencice2 votes

Umm yea... and the problem with that is?

The majority should ALWAYS come first.

65wQhMlGlT1 votes

Where the hell is it even mentioned in the initial post that the sole reason for not dedicating resources to fix this bug for the time being is due to the champion's popularity? You're just talking out of your ass when you say that the issue would've been fixed if it was a more popular champion and begin to act as though that's entirely true.

Bronze Johnny3 votes

This will trigger reddit so hard welcome to the frontpage, a new meme was born. But for real that is some next level bullshit.

Loco Little6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=hqMBAArE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-26T21:40:01.349+0000)

Hey beany,

I know we've had this convo before, and wanted to reply here as well. We're still standing by the decision that this is trivial, and not something the team is planning to resolve. We had a discussion around this bug when you'd initially posted it, and the team hasn't changed its mind on the issue since your initial report.

Good old katey, she knows the bug is trivial and won't be allocated recources, so she makes a statement that she knows will make all the redditors angry, that way it's no longer trivial and beany gets the animations he deserves.

That's what your doing right? It's not like you would ignore animations on paid products such as skins knowing that the core reason people buy skins is usually for the animations? Nah, Rito's too cool for that, and so is Katey.

Jorencice3 votes

Or they think the skins are still worth the same without a tiny animation...

TRL Flawed1 votes

thats just complete bullshit, there is a bug and its your job to fix it. rn you are basicly saying 'whatever, cba to fix this bug' which makes no sense. a bug is a bug and they should be fixed

86 Kg Rekksalot1 votes

But why? I mean it's a bug and I can't imagine that this would be too hard to fix, so why would you say that?

Things like that make people mad at Riot :/

Nazzadan13 votes

Sorry OP, I guess play a champion Riot gives a fuck about. Absolutely unreal. "Trivial," give me a break.

Averia8 votes

Meanwhile Nidalee skin bug fixes not affecting the players... Koi nami chroma skin bugfixes...???

It's not like Jayce's animation's don't exist, they're clearly just not hooked up correctly. You can fix animations and particles from those champions but not Jayce?

In 6.14 Bad Santa Veigar got his W custom particles back, literally no affect on gameplay, and it was only 1 skin. There are probably hundreds of small fixes like this over the course of a season. It's been a year, maybe it's time to actually take a moment to look it over.

Has anyone even tried looking at Jayce's animation bug? Or is it too trivial to even give it a once over? I don't even play the champion but this is bull lmao.

Eviiana7 votes

It's a product of the game...why should I purchase something and then not receive what I paid for? It shouldn't even matter if it's trivial or not. It's something people use, and want fixed. That's reason enough to fix it.

Xonra2 votes

Riot wont respond to important issues for long periods of time but will respond by telling a player and customer that an issue that only Riot can fix is "trivial".

Maybe one of those times it was best to go business as usual and not speak up. No way my fav Rioter Katey thought saying this was still trivial would be well received.

devildarling2 votes

If you buy a toy from a store that's supposed to make some sounds and wave its arms, do you consider it "trivial" if it doesn't wave its arms or make those sounds? It's disgusting for such a large company with so many resources to simply dismiss an issue like broken or missing animations on paid products as "trivial."

Atanchan1 votes

I'm pretty sure complaining about said toy not moving its arms a full 90 degrees and instead only rotating 89.4 degrees, and the sounds being cut-off two split seconds before they should, is pretty dang trivial.

Windup Orianna2 votes

Y'all are mad cause the gun doesn't twirl when it shoots? What's the matter? Slow day at the nursing home?

HellFox1 votes

I never really log in and post here despite reading quite often here and there from linked reddit posts. The responses made me feel sick so.

Stop being such bitches over decisions. They could've lied off your face or completely ignored your post. (Not talking about OP but the people aboard the "flame rito" train.) This is how it is , if they dont work over it , they must have their reasons over other priorities.

KiteAzure1 votes

The bug isn't even that big lol, if it was like jhins gun not twirling I would complain but this bug is so small I didn't even notice it the first time I watched the bug examples.

Xonra2 votes

{quoted}

The bug isn't even that big lol, if it was like jhins gun not twirling I would complain but this bug is so small I didn't even notice it the first time I watched the bug examples.

I will say this: you arent wrong.

I will also say, telling a player/customer than an issue/bug is too trivial to bother with is still a terrible reaponse and just asking for the wrong kind of attention.

AccelGated1 votes

This makes Me, a very high elo and One trick Jayce, [slayer-jinx-unamused] item 3070 very sad

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