Jax E is not working as intended

Choyster··37 votes·3,230 views

Top lane - Jax vs Gangplank

Jax E "Counterstrike" is supposed to cause all basic attacks against him to miss. Gangplank's wiki explicitly states that his Q "parrley" will be blocked by effects that mitigate basic attacks and lists Jax's counterstrike as one of four examples. The issue seems to occur upon hitting Jax's counterstrike AFTER the Parrley has been buffered by Gangplank, meaning you can't reactively block this ability, but rather have to predict it in order to not get affected.

This entirely messes up gameplay for Jax, because he now has literally no way to play around Gangplank when a key aspect of his gameplay is null and void.

33 Comments

420 grams3 votes

League tool tips aren't literal like games like Magic and Yugioh.

Even though it says it blocks basic attacks, it doesn't block all abilities that say "treated as a basic attack" because they're still abilities. They're more like guidelines

Fedoran20 votes

[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VzpM4HzY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-04T18:43:09.051+0000)

League tool tips aren't literal like games like Magic and Yugioh.

Even though it says it blocks basic attacks, it doesn't block abilities that say "treated as a basic attack" because they're still abilities. They're more like guidelines

Actually it blocks EZ Q just fine

Drugoth5 votes

I think he's memeing...

That or he didn't even read OP's entire post.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Ahri Baka1 votes

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I think he's memeing...

That or he didn't even read OP's entire post.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

I don't really know much about boards , sorry but , can I know who is this OP guy ? I heard about that guy many times and I have no idea who he is

Votable Jester1 votes

I'm not sure if you're joking, so I'll assume you aren't.

OP is short for Original Poster, which refers to the person who made this discussion (in this case, Choyster).

General Esdeath 1 votes

OP is short for overpowered, at least on gameplay boards :^)

Ahri Baka1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Votable Jester,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VzpM4HzY,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-05T04:46:15.453+0000)

I'm not sure if you're joking, so I'll assume you aren't.

OP is short for Original Poster, which refers to the person who made this discussion (in this case, Choyster).

I'm not joking , but thanks , that solved a lot of misunderstandings for me

HeimerLmao1 votes

Try urbandictionary.com if you don't know what the definition of something on the internet, there are a lot of meme definitions though.

Ahri Baka1 votes

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Try urbandictionary.com if you don't know what the definition of something on the internet, there are a lot of meme definitions though.

Yeah but I wouldn't think if that , I mean , OP usually stands for Over Powered , so I thought OP is someone here in the boards who has the nickname " OP "

420 grams1 votes

But not Yasuo's Q.

They're just not consistent with all abilities

Skins Project4 votes

Yasuo's q is treated as an basic attack only for the first target hit.

So if yasuo q's jax it is blocked, if yasuo q's through a minion then the q hit's jax it is not.

HeimerLmao1 votes

What the actual heck? Srsly?

Skins Project1 votes

Yeah, that's how it works.

First target hit is treated as an aa, anything else is just a skillshot.

UNSTOPPABLE BTW1 votes

have you guys tried it on say an test game? no? of course not. yasuo's q is not working as intended anyways, it *sometimes *conditionally and *under very rare circumstances can get blocked by jax e. i played too many game where i calculated yasuo's q range and goes in for trade and his q goes RIGHT THROUGH THE COUNTERSTRIKE despite no minion what so ever in the way. i played ascension games where i found yasuo along and bam RIGHT THROUGH THE COUNTERSTRIKE, where he manage to kill me with a q, not even a nado. Jax e is bugged af, shits like nasus q and gangplank q doesn't get blocked while ezreal is having fun not killing jax whatsoever. and that fiora q is most tilting (im talking about hashinshin), since it is treated as a skill matchup but her q goes thru and in lane she gets super RNG luck and smash you like a pinata with the q's that you can't block, even if it says you can. you press r she press q r qqqq and armor doesn't work against 35% true damage if she has 100 bonus ad, and that damage is completely a on-hit bonus damage. and also, riot seems to have some sort of ...dunno... on jax. some abilities classified as dodge-able auto resets have special undodgeable tag in their game code, that and god staff jax, the only epic or above tier skin has no dialogue, no v/o (existing v/o re-toned), interactions, no Easter eggs. the only thing it has (for a epic tier) is a recall animation, which doesn't matter if nasus, gangplank, fiora, aatrox(bonus dmg on-hit apparently not very on-hit), azir(quite fair, as if there's an azir on enemy team then jax wins automatically), chogath, ekko, kayle... ypu get the idea. but most ironically, jax's r passive goes right through the counterstrike. well then. Jax

JustMonika132 votes

[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VzpM4HzY,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-04T21:48:00.586+0000)

But not Yasuo's Q.

They're just not consistent with all abilities

Yasuo’s Q is in fact dodged by Jax E. Only if Jax is the first enemy hit by it in the line.

The first enemy unit hit by Q has effects applied to it as if it were an Autoattack, all the enemies hit after it are not dealt on-hit damage/effects, and the damage counts as ability damage.

Hopefully it wasn’t too confusing.

420 grams1 votes

Exactly, it's not always counted as a basic attack. It also doesn't dodge the tornado part nor it striking in a circle.

So the way the game describes effects is very confusing for players since it's not literal.

JustMonika131 votes

[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VzpM4HzY,comment-id=00000000000100010000,timestamp=2018-02-05T22:44:37.815+0000)

Exactly, it's not always counted as a basic attack. It also doesn't dodge the tornado part nor it striking in a circle.

So the way the game describes effects is very confusing for players since it's not literal.

I mean it’s pretty straight forward. You get hit first? You’re taking on-hit effects/damage. You get hit after? That’s a no.

Also, Q ‘nado and Q spin are in fact blocked by Jax E again if they hit him first, which spin is garanteed if Yasuo EQs onto Jax.

AirKingNeo3 votes

IF IT PROCS SPELLBLADE ON ATTACK

IT'S A BASIC ATTACK

TwinkiePro1 votes

{quoted}

IF IT PROCS SPELLBLADE ON ATTACK

IT'S A BASIC ATTACK

Funnily enough, Yasuo's Q only procs spellblade on the first target it hits, none after.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Blocks Yasuo Q

Thin Air3 votes

I have posted about this multiple times and I receive downvotes.

Fact is, Jax's E not working properly is literally life and death for him, and it doesn't work half the time. I've given up on playing Jax in large part due to the fact that there's a huge list of bugs on Jax's E that aren't getting fixed and I don't understand why.

Cloud2733 votes

Screw Jax honestly. Counterstrike is way too strong of an ability. It offers more safety than Yasuo windwall.

SpecterVonBaren9 votes

HAHAHAHAHAHA, no.

Cloud2731 votes

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HAHAHAHAHAHA, no.

Safety is about more than just being able to block projectiles, auto attacks, abilities, or take reduced aoe damage (and Jax does ALL of these things with counter strike). Counterstrike is also an aoe cc ability in addition to the safety it provides. If anyone gets close to him he just stuns them and walks away.

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

Counterstrike reduces damage and blocks auto attacks. Windwall blocks ALL projectiles. Jax is still susceptible to CC when using counterstrike and will still take damage, Windwall will prevent ALL projectile damage and CC. In terms of outright safety, Windwall is superior.

Cloud2731 votes

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Counterstrike reduces damage and blocks auto attacks. Windwall blocks ALL projectiles. Jax is still susceptible to CC when using counterstrike and will still take damage, Windwall will prevent ALL projectile damage and CC. In terms of outright safety, Windwall is superior.

Guess what? Yasuo can also be cc'd when windwall is up. The fact that Jax also has cc, reduced aoe damage and damage attached to this ability makes it superior. Also, unlike Yasuo's windwall, Jax doesn't have to stand behind something to get the benefit. Unlike Yasuo he can move freely while using this ability (yes Yasuo can move but the wall doesn't). You can't possibly expect me to believe that Yasuo's windwall is better.

Kantan1 votes

Jax's E can only block auto attacks and reduces damage.

Yasuo's wind wall can block ULTIMATES. Yasuo's wind wall can still block projectile CC, auto attacks, hell even vlad's Q when timed right.

Jax can't do all that. He still gets hit with a jinx rocket, still gets the blood sucked out of him, still vulnerable to annie's point and click stun, still vulnerable to jhin's W.

Yasuo's wind wall can be one of the MOST game changing ability.

General Esdeath 2 votes

"GOD THIS ABILITY THAT STOPS ALL PROJECTILES EVEN IF IT TOUCHES ON PIXEL HAS NOTHING ON THIS SPIN MOVE THAT ONLY BLOCKS BASIC ATTACKS!"

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

ninjaroxas1 votes

Hey man that 25% aoe damage reduction really breaks the abilty

General Esdeath 1 votes

OP OP

r1pp3r dj2 votes

Just came from hashinshin chat . second clip where counterstrike is legit super bugged to a camille fucking auto attack. LoL

AirKingNeo1 votes

WOW, ANOTHER COUNTERSTRIKE BUG?!

Did you know: It took over 1.5 years just to fix the bug with Nidalee's Q (melee) going through counterstrike. Unless of course it still does right.

wishbone251 votes

his E has an extra range btw as a new buff to him so it works for me

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