Bard Meep Inconsistency: Runglaive vs Lich Bane

Willowran·9/17/2015, 1:38:57 AM·2 votes·2,592 views

When I build Bard, I build him AP + Movement speed, to increase harass and Meep collection rate.

As support, I'll get a Lich Bane at some point, for the movement speed and AP and proc effect. A Meep-enhanced autoattack will proc Lich Bane, adding some harass at a longer reliable range than Bard's Q.

Of late I've been playing some fun normals, and taking Bard as a jungle. Since I build him AP as a support, I figured I'd try to mimic my build as much as possible, and Runeglaive is fairly similar to Lich Bane. However, an important difference is that Bard's Meeps will not proc Runeglaive.

Curious, I checked the LoLWiki, and both items utilize the "Spellblade" sheen for its on-hit proc effect: the Runeglaive should not be operating any differently from Lich Bane in that regard.

I went in-game, bought a Runeglaive, and confirmed that it does not proc on Meeps. I then bought a Lich Bane (on top of the Runeglaive) to see if I might get the Lich proc on Meeps, and the Runeglaive otherwise. I did not- I only got the Runeglaive proc. I then sold Runeglaive, and Lich Bane still would not proc on Meeps. However, if I do NOT buy Runeglaive, Lich Bane WILL proc on Meeps.

This is rather inconsistent, and I'm pretty sure one of the two items must be bugged.

4 Comments

Willowran9/17/2015, 5:09:01 PM1 votes

Daily bump (just to try and ensure that a Rioter sees this).

Axests9/17/2015, 5:12:33 PM1 votes

lich bane must be bugged, it shouldn't be proc'ing on meeps

Stray Kat9/17/2015, 5:16:09 PM1 votes

Honestly, I think the unintended part of this is the Lich proccing on meeps in the first place.

It's only supposed to proc when a spell is cast, I can't think of a single other champ with a similarish passive that makes it proc. Diana doesn't, Ekko doesn't, Vayne doesn't proc it on her silver bolts, Etc.

Pretty sure the runeglaive is working as intended, and the Lich proccing them is the bug. But that's just my guess.

Willowran9/17/2015, 5:37:02 PM1 votes

I wonder if the meeps_ are_ counted as being a 'spell/ability.' I mean, Meeps proc Luden's Echo, which only triggers off of an ability's AP damage. Well. I mean. The text says 'ability's damage,' but won't proc off of any AD ability. So based on Luden's, at least, Meeps are supposed to count as an ability 'cast-' at least that is why I never questioned the Lich procs before.

The difference between meeps and Vayne's silver stuff could be merely a case of coding- Meeps are 'cast,' but Vayne's silver bolts are 'triggered' sources of damage?