Relic Shield Malfunction

jballant··2 votes·992 views

I have trouble getting Relicitem 3302 Shield to proc on Thresh's Thresh auto attacks... maybe its something i do or maybe this is an actual issue, like if i dont do enough dmge to kill the minion the extra dmge from relic doesn't come with.. so basically the minion has to be at 50 health or below :(.. Maybe the Flay passive conflicts with it..?

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Archon X5 votes

Thresh does not execute, he has to legitimately last hit them to proc the charge

Professor Ward2 votes

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Thresh does not execute, he has to legitimately last hit them to proc the charge

^ this because he is classified as "ranged melee"

and as a relic main :D i recommend just going coin, unless youre having serious trouble sustaining in lane/ or are going to actually rush/finish face of the mountain for its active; coin is ALMOST always going to give double the gold that relic will

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

There is no such thing as a "ranged melee". One could argue for champions who change form (i.e. Nidalee, Jayce, Elise) or for Kayle, but they just change between melee and ranged; they aren't both melee and ranged simultaneously.

Thresh's autoattack doesn't have a projectile, but it is still a ranged autoattack.

Professor Ward1 votes

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There is no such thing as a "ranged melee" (unless you want to argue that Kayle or form-shifters count). His autoattack doesn't have a projectile, but it is still a ranged autoattack.

well if you want to argue semantics there a very few champions that are melee in game, as the definition of melee doesnt actually have anything to do with projectiles and has more to do with confusion and hand to hand

noun 1. a confused hand-to-hand fight or struggle among several people. 2. confusion; turmoil; jumble: the melee of Christmas shopping.

noun noun: melee; plural noun: melees; noun: mêlée; plural noun: mêlées

a confused fight, skirmish, or scuffle.
"several people were hurt in the melee"
synonyms:	fracas, disturbance, rumpus, tumult, commotion, ruckus, disorder, fray; More
brawl, fight, scuffle, struggle, skirmish, scrimmage, free-for-all, tussle;
informalscrap, set-to, ruction, slugfest
"people were trampled in the melee"
    a confused mass of people.
    "the melee of people that was always thronging the streets"

melee noun me·lee \ˈmā-ˌlā, mā-ˈ\

: a confused struggle or fight involving many people

Full Definition of MELEE : a confused struggle; especially : a hand-to-hand fight among several people

Definitions from 3 of the most reliable sources.

so basically the use of melee here and in other games is completely wrong.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

This isn't arguing semantics. There is a very clear delineation between ranged and melee champions and no champion can be both simultaneously.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Melee_champion

Champions classified as Melee are recognizable by their melee-ranged Basic Attacks.

All Melee champions start with a Basic Attack range that can vary from 125 to 200.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ranged_champion

Ranged champions are recognizable for their long-ranged autoattacks, meaning they can be fairly far away from their target and still deal damage.

Ranged champions have a wide spread of level 1 autoattack ranges between 400 to 650.

LegendaryLemur1 votes

wiktionary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/melee 1.Hand-to-hand combat, brawl. https://www.wordnik.com/words/melee comments section (comment by telruen): Adjective of or related to hand-to-hand combat..... Note:This usage has been around for more than 2 decades, usually in RPG video games, tabletop war games, some card games and as part of discussions related to these. Many gamers (including ex-gamers) are familiar with this usage and would use the word "melee" this way.

Just because the dictionary has not caught up to the use of a word, does not mean that word is not a part of the language. English, like most (all?) languages, is ever-evolving.

Traxinator2 votes

Thresh's auto attacks are considered to be ranged attacks due to their long range. (You can see for yourself by buying a item 3085, the passive bolts will work)

Due to his autos being ranged, the relic shield execute does not work on him, so you must last hit them legitimately(his flay passive helps).

Hope this helps! [slayer-jinx-wink]

LegendaryLemur2 votes

The execute portion of Spoils of War (the targon's effect) only procs on melee autoattacks.

jballant2 votes

Omg thank you all... I never realized they made relic proc on melee hits only.... I figure cuz thresh is probably the only ranged (tank-class) champion

LegendaryLemur1 votes

Just to be clear, the relic shield gold-sharing/sustain effect will proc on any minion kill, it's only the execute that is exclusive to melee autoattacks.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Thresh has ranged autoattacks.

The execute only applies on melee autoattacks.

Gold is shared if you kill a minion through any source.

BakedLotion1 votes

PS. stop buying relic on thresh. Everytime i have a thresh on my team I can't trust him to proc anything. Everytime they spam ping a cannon minion, they miss it even with the flay passive. All goes downhill from there cause i stop trusting him and last hit it myself, while he spams skills at it.

Professor Ward1 votes

{quoted}

PS. stop buying relic on thresh. Everytime i have a thresh on my team I can't trust him to proc anything. Everytime they spam ping a cannon minion, they miss it even with the flay passive. All goes downhill from there cause i stop trusting him and last hit it myself, while he spams skills at it.

coin is far more productive in the gold department anyways relic is only useful for minor sustain and fotm active

Traxinator1 votes

It's true that coin is better in the gold department, but since thresh is squishy without items, I prefer relic since it gives me tankyness before I can get my other items.

Traxinator1 votes

I normally use relic on thresh, and I have no problem using it.

However, you could ask him just to kill non-cannon minions if the thresh consistently misses.

BakedLotion1 votes

{quoted}

I normally use relic on thresh, and I have no problem using it.

However, you could ask him just to kill non-cannon minions if the thresh consistently misses.

Yeah i told him i don't want him trying to last hit when im there. I can't risk losing 2 cs every wave because he's incompetent.

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