Malzahar ult not suppressing right away

Squigz··2 votes·1,150 views

I've been playing malzahar a lot recently, and I have noticed that sometimes his ultimate (nether grasp) does not suppress right away. I get that there might be a cast time for his ultimate, but quite often I find that the animation is there, I can see the beam, it does one tick of damage, but then I am stunned or interrupted in some way by my opponent and it is canceled. It is as if it does not actually suppress until one tick in to the channel. Is this intentional? the tooltip does not say that it is delayed.

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ChrisB52 votes

I've been playing malzahar a lot recently, and I have noticed that sometimes his ultimate (nether grasp) does not suppress right away. I get that there might be a cast time for his ultimate, but quite often I find that the animation is there, I can see the beam, it does one tick of damage, but then I am stunned or interrupted in some way by my opponent and it is canceled. It is as if it does not actually suppress until one tick in to the channel. Is this intentional? the tooltip does not say that it is delayed.

One thing to consider... "Nether Grasp's suppression can be removed byitem 3140 Quicksilver Sash, Alistar Alistar's Unbreakable Will, Gangplank Gangplank's Remove Scurvy and Olaf Olaf's Ragnarok," as well as if you are interrupted since it is a channeled suppression. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Malzahar/Strategy


If unrelated... Which map do you notice this on? Or N/A? It almost sounds to me like the enemy, such as alistar or poppy, charge at you right before you ult, and they finish their spells interrupting your sustain. Is this the case, or no? Because, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think his sustain cancels spells. I'm not completely sure about that though. Reminds me of how sad I was when I realized Amumu's ult was just a bind, not a stun ): I found this out when ulting on kat's ult... didn't do what I expected haha.

-ChrisB5 Leona Warwick

Squigz1 votes

One thing to consider... "Nether Grasp's suppression can be removed byitem 3140 Quicksilver Sash, Alistar Alistar's Unbreakable Will, Gangplank Gangplank's Remove Scurvy and Olaf Olaf's Ragnarok," as well as if you are interrupted since it is a channeled suppression. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Malzahar/Strategy

I'm well aware of these, it is definitely not that. It is an interruption and not a prevention or removal of the suppress.

If unrelated... Which map do you notice this on? Or N/A?

Mainly summoners rift, I do not recall having these problems on twisted treeline, but I am not sure.

It almost sounds to me like the enemy, such as alistar or poppy, charge at you right before you ult, and they finish their spells interrupting your sustain. Is this the case, or no?

Nah, I've had that happen a couple of times when they've charged or whatever right before or as I ult and it's gone through, but that's noticeable.

Because, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think his sustain cancels spells. I'm not completely sure about that though.

Maybe there are cast times for everything and we both use the skills at the same time? Not sure, might have to check while playing against someone I know to see if we can test it.

I've been stunned by Syndra (complete q-e combo) while my ult was active on her without her having QSS so yeah, quite confusing. It's like anyone can just wait to have a stun and press it just as they see Malz ult. In a recent game in a 1v1 against a friend to test some of these, he was Rammus and he was ulting and powerballing towards me. I ulted before he got to me and we both agreed Rammus continued for a moment while the nether grasp animation was active and after taking one tick of damage then he stopped, resulting in him getting his ult into range. Similar things happened with his taunt going off just after the beginning of combat between us. Neither Rammus's taunt nor nether grasp are known to have a cast time or delay, so if both are used at the same time only one will activate first and so only one should go on cooldown right? I accept that sometimes abilities are used so closely together that you never see the animation for it (like if I never saw nether grasp actually activate, but it still goes on cooldown, which happens sometimes, though shouldn't that only happen with interrupts that take time such as sion's stun's travel time?), what I am reporting here is his ult animation becomes active, and even does the initial tick of damage, but then is interrupted.

January 16th1 votes

that's why you, E,W,Q then R = KO, and your Q will silence them last letting u Ult FREELY

Squigz1 votes

that's why you, E,W,Q then R = KO, and your Q will silence them last letting u Ult FREELY

Well... Actually if you Q last before ulting, and your ult still takes 1 tick to actually suppress them, they won't be silenced before that tick is over...Unless you are slow and then there is no way you can expect someone to stand there as you unleash all your abilities.

Squigz1 votes

Update: After reading a fair bit, it seems this is a very common occurrence against renektons as well, although this would be OK if it does not interrupt an already cast ability, as renecton's stun is a move that attacks twice quickly then stuns right? so it's all one move that goes for a certain duration upon the next auto attack... But it happens way too often it seems for it to be just that people are constantly ulting just as renekton 'w's

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