Mana regen runes do not work.

Rabiteen·Sep 20, 2016·90 votes·6,475 views

Really as simple as that. Rune page states 3.7 mana regen. On all champions it adds no change in Mana regen. at all. I was told to report it here. I guess support isn't for bugs.

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Princess EmmaSep 20, 201624 votes

I added a TL;DR at the bottom

Mana regen runes are working fine. If you have 9 mana regen marks (2.4 mana regen since League rounds up, 2.34 on a calculator), it does not add a flat 2.4 visual on your mana bar.

Your mana bar shows how much you get per second, mana regen runes show how much additional mana regeneration you get per 5 seconds.

Cassiopeia has 1.2 base mana regen (shown on her mana bar)at level 1, with no outside sources to boost it. has 1.7 total mana regen (shown on her mana bar) at level 1, with 9 mana regen marks and no other outside sources.

You would think it would total up to 3.6 mana regen on your mana bar, but all mana regen runes are per 5 seconds

1.2 (base regen of Cassiopeia per second) ÷ 2.4 (total mana regen from mana regen marks which are per 5 seconds) = 0.5

YOU GET 0.5 MANA REGEN PER SECOND FROM A FULL PAGE OF MANA REGEN MARKS, WHICH GO BY PER 5 SECONDS

0.5 (mana regen per second from mana regen marks ) x 5 (since mana regen runes show as per 5 seconds) = 2.5

While that number is not 2.4, it is still very close to 2.4, and 2.4 is how much mana regen you get per 5 seconds from 9 mana regen marks

0.5 (mana regen per second from 9 mana regen marks) + 1.2 ( Cassiopeia base mana regen) = 1.7(total mana regen per 5 seconds with 9 mana rgen marks) which is mana regen per second at level 1, with 9 mana regen marks.

TL;DR:

Mana regeneration runes are working perfectly fine.
Your mana bar only shows per second.
Mana regen runes are per 5 seconds.
You get 0.5 mana regen per second from full mana regen marks.
0.5 + base mana regen = 1.7 mana regen per second
0.5 is mana regen per second, and after 5 seconds pass, you will have recovered an additional 2.5 mana (rounded up)
2.4 / 2.5 is how much mana regen per 5 seconds 9 mana regen marks give.

5000000000000000Sep 20, 201617 votes

So mana regeneration runes are shit and we shouldn't use them?

FlemmanSep 20, 201616 votes

nah, but maybe the /5 second should be change to "/second" or "/tick" reflect the actual regen flow, just for clarity

Princess EmmaSep 20, 20164 votes

Beauty is the eye of the beholder.

Mana regen runes are all up to your play style and depends if you are doing bots, normals, ranked, ARAM, or special game modes and which champion you play, most of all.

Flat mana regen runes are pretty terrible, but scaling mana regen runes are amazing. If you want to be spam happy, manage your mana very little and stay in lane longer, mana regen runes are for you.

I would rather say flat mana regen runes are mediocre, and you should avoid using those ''seriously'' . Mana regen runes are mostly ''fun runes'' in my opinion.

Feed DaddySep 20, 20163 votes

Actually mana regen per level runes are inferior. Most champions naturally dont have mana problems just by reaching level 18 whereas plenty of champions have mana problems level 1-4.

Princess EmmaSep 20, 20161 votes

From the total mana regen you get, scaling is much better. Besides that, don't forget I said it depends on your play style and champion.

I wouldn't expect an ADC / Tank to receive much benefit from scaling, but an AP mage definitely will if they want to be spam happy with their abilities and not worry too much about going OOM and having to recall.

Although, I will admit that late game, all mana regen runes lose their touch, and I will also admit that mana issues are non-existent once some champions get their first few levels.

I will also say that being able to manage your mana properly is much more beneficial than depending on runes to do all the work for you, and using some champions abilities from the get-go as soon as they are off cooldown can put you in a tight spot.

Edit: I wasn't saying that scaling was better than flat at all points of the game. Merely that it only trumps flat in total regen.

theArtifactsSep 20, 20161 votes

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From the total mana regen you get, scaling is much better. Besides that, don't forget I said it depends on your play style and champion.

I wouldn't expect an ADC / Tank to receive much benefit from scaling, but an AP mage definitely will if they want to be spam happy with their abilities and not worry too much about going OOM and having to recall.

Although, I will admit that late game, all mana regen runes lose their touch, and I will also admit that mana issues are non-existent once some champions get their first few levels.

I will also say that being able to manage your mana properly is much more beneficial than depending on runes to do all the work for you, and using some champions abilities from the get-go as soon as they are off cooldown can put you in a tight spot.

Why would a Tank EVER take mana regen runes? That just doesn't make much sense.

Princess EmmaSep 20, 20161 votes

hypothetically speaking.

Truly not GaySep 20, 20161 votes

The only champion I use mana regen on is taric. Until he gets a frozen heart or iceborn his mana can be a major issue. There is nothing worse than the adc getting dove on and I can just watch and say "sorry, no mana for ult." After getting my mana item the problem is gone so scaling is worthless.

Battlecast SonaSep 20, 20163 votes

yes, the scaling mana regen is more efficient, but it spikes at a period in the game where you need it less.

Mana regen is most effective in the laning phase and quickly loses effectiveness as you leave laning. Soooooo... Being able to take more damage in a teamfight >>>>> mana regen runes, 100% of the time, regardless of who you're playing. Since you're DEFINITELY going to take damage at some point in a teamfight but you're not guaranteed to run OOM on anyone (unless you utilize your mana improperly).

The argument here is that characters that benefit from mana regen will benefit most from that power in the early game, where flat runes are most important, since a level 18 champion is going to have less mana problems thanks to increased mana pool, base regen, and any items they've built since then to increase mana pool.

SpecterVonBarenSep 20, 20161 votes

This is however not true for utility supports who, unlike mages, will often times be using their spells all the time during a fight or even outside one in order to help their teammates

Princess EmmaSep 21, 20161 votes

I am well aware, but what I am speaking about is a VERY specific thing one would do just for the hell of it, not because it's efficient or good in general. Something like full attack speed Braum.

Gary B EnkelisSep 21, 20161 votes

Full (or heavy) attack speed Braum is probably ok in the jungle.

I'm being annoying.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

SkiasSep 21, 20161 votes

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From the total mana regen you get, scaling is much better. Besides that, don't forget I said it depends on your play style and champion.

I wouldn't expect an ADC / Tank to receive much benefit from scaling, but an AP mage definitely will if they want to be spam happy with their abilities and not worry too much about going OOM and having to recall.

Although, I will admit that late game, all mana regen runes lose their touch, and I will also admit that mana issues are non-existent once some champions get their first few levels.

I will also say that being able to manage your mana properly is much more beneficial than depending on runes to do all the work for you, and using some champions abilities from the get-go as soon as they are off cooldown can put you in a tight spot.

Edit: I wasn't saying that scaling was better than flat at all points of the game. Merely that it only trumps flat in total regen.

They stay pretty useful on Jungle and Top Taric. You'll almost always have enough for a stun or bastion if you need to roam and assist someone. He casts so often, it never hurts.

sir d wreckSep 20, 20164 votes

On some champions I almost always use scaling mana regen yellows and I love them. Vel'koz, Lux, Ziggs, Xerath, etc all are safe enough most of the time you can use mana regen runes and it does make a big difference in lane especially after level 5 or somewhere around there. Obviously the higher elo you go the more careful you have to be regarding defensive runes, etc.

Silver SingedSep 20, 20161 votes

AP kog'maw needs the scaling seals too. They're wonderful for the things that require them.

ThiccNuggSep 20, 20162 votes

With the rework of mana regen into mainly a support item stat mana regen could be very nice.

Praetor NotoriasSep 20, 20161 votes

A crude estimation of the maths is that flat mana regen glyphs give .06 mana per second. x9 it's about .6 per second. So a 60 mana ability takes 100 seconds to regen the mana back with 9 mana regen glyphs.

Mana glphs with the meditation mastery gives you .03 mana per second for every mana glyph you are empty on. So 9 of them is 101 mana and you get .3 mana back per second they are empty from meditation (very crude estimation). You would not only get to cast that 60 mana ability once more from the mana, but it would then take 200 seconds to regen that mana back.

So if mana is your issue, mana runes are going to be better in the long run than regen runes pretty much always. Also if you build seraphs, then that 101 mana translates into like 3 extra AP. Scaling matches flat at level 9 so after that it's more.

However, it's better to just learn to manage your mana and take defensive runes or offensive runes instead unless the mana specifically helps you overcome some barrier in my personal opinion.

MonkeyMadnessSep 20, 20161 votes

Correct, never use mana regen runes. If you are having significant mana problems, either avoid casting spells so frequently and/or to cs, or get some mana/mana regen items.

FantasySniperSep 21, 20161 votes

Well, yeah, but everyone's known this.

People used to say that 3 Mp5 runes on support pages was worth it.

Guess what? It was never worth it.

ChaoticPineconeSep 21, 20161 votes

Well, yes and no.

Dont use mana regen Marks - they are the least efficient. Glyphs would give around 3mana per 5 seconds. Scaling Glyphs would surpass that at Level 6.
Scaling gives around 50% increase in mana regen starting at level 5 all the way through 18 for mages. Add that with a Dorans Ring, and you have 100% increase in mana regen, the same amount youd get from a Morello, minus of course the 400 mana pool increase Morello gives. Going double Dorans can make up for that 400 mana pool increase, especially when you generally sit on the Lost Chapter's 300.

What does all this mean? Well, double dorans allows you to skip Morello as your first rush for mana, as well as giving some nice health. Running mana regen glyphs means no MR - most optimal for an AD matchup mid. So id say its not a bad option against Zed/Talon or the random Wukong, Jarvin, Khazhix, or maybe even Yasuo/Jayce/Varus/GP matchup (though id sitll take MR against those) where you would rush Zhonyas.

Though personally I wouldnt do it. If I was faced with an AD matchup in a primarily AD based comp, Id just conserve mana and run CDR/level, using the same double dorans into zhonyas build (maybe even corrupting potion into double dorans if i think i will lose).

Synnx7Sep 20, 201618 votes

Support ticket tells u to post on boards, and after u post here they'll tell you to post on their support ticket. Incompetent company

I Like Things Sep 20, 20167 votes

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The Blue RajahSep 20, 20162 votes

Except that didn't happen. You're literally just making things up because you're mad at riot.

I Like Things Sep 20, 20162 votes

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Synnx7Sep 20, 20161 votes

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Except that didn't happen. You're literally just making things up because you're mad at riot.

It did. Thats what happened to my tickets. most of the time. Untill the issue practically fixed itself. It was on their end anyway. Not being able to start a draft game. NEverthless i dont play LoL anymore, i switched to HoTs. More maps, no last hitting, more fun.
I just lurk on these forums to see how riot is becoming more incompetent day by day. And yes, i'm kinda mad at them , for more reasons but the #1 one is " champ favoritism"

SanKakUSep 20, 20169 votes

Well, in the meantime, I suggest you use maximum mana runes(which are good on Ryze!) and use the mastery that grants you additional mana regeneration based on your maximum mana.

dunkeroniSep 20, 20164 votes

Did you save your mastery page before getting into a game? Are you sure you brought the correct page?

How did you measure the mana regen? Do keep in mind, that this amount of mana regen would only net 0.74 mana per second, and may be harder to notice if you aren't directly comparing your mana regen stat to the base stat of that character at that level.

When submitting a but report, try to add in as much useful information as possible. Otherwise nobody can help you.

P.S. Support is not for reporting Bugs. the Report A Bug section is for that. Support deals mainly with issues relating to player accounts, not in-game glitches and bugs.

TaoistMasterSep 20, 20161 votes

This is an odd bug.

I blame Ivern.

OokamiNoSoraSep 20, 20161 votes

mana regen runes work for me perfectly fine

xelakerSep 20, 20161 votes

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Really as simple as that. Rune page states 3.7 mana regen. On all champions it adds no change in Mana regen. at all. I was told to report it here. I guess support isn't for bugs.

pros don't use them so riot doesn't care

BlastermineSep 20, 20161 votes

I run flat mana regen because it's like starting with an extra dorans. By the time scaling would be better I already have a chalice.

Lucian WaifuSep 20, 20161 votes

They work really well if you want to bully in lane before you buy your mana items. They are best to get an advantage pre-6 and then to ride that advantage to a win.

DarkRitualSep 20, 20161 votes

Decent for some supports as well. You don't get blue buffs, and only two of the gold income items have mana regen, and you usually can't get another mana regen untill later on, unless you push Locket untill later, which usually just feels bad to do.