Ideas on in-game mic chat?
Post your views!
Post your views!
Polls (unofficial ones mind) have been done about this in the past and the general agreement is people don't want ingame voice. Here are the basic reasons:
It's impossible to monitor. You can be as toxic as you like in audio and no discipline will come from it simply because it's impossible to review the audio. Sure Riot could theoretically save the audio files from reported games, but do you have any idea how big an hour-long decent-quality audio file is, multiplied by the number of reports Riot gets daily? They'd be swamped.
It's usually annoying. Everyone that's played a game with widespread VoIP remembers the types of people that shouldn't have access to voice chat. Whiners who complain about everything. Wannabe DJs filling the chat with crappy music. Trolls and other toxic jerks. Backseat generals who point out everyone's mistakes but their own. These people often get muted.
It enables and encourages prejudice. I've played other games with built-in voice, and you wouldn't believe the way some people will go off if someone else in the party speaks in voice and turns out to sound like a BFF - Black, Female, or Foreigner. This often winds up enabling toxicity as opposed to reducing it, especially if you have a female in voice with a wannabe pickup artist or two foreigners from the same country in voice speaking their own language among a bunch of English-speakers (especially Americans).
It's not cost-effective. This is more of a corporate viewpoint, but still valid. Riot doesn't have an existing VoIP infrastructure; they'd need to develop one specially for League. That's expensive stuff, especially if they want to do it well. Time would need to be spent developing the feature, money would need to be spent renting servers and purchasing bandwidth to accommodate it, time would need to be spent maintaining it and upgrading it, and all for a feature maybe 10% of the playerbase will ever really find value in. It's just too expensive for what it brings.
Polls (unofficial ones mind) have been done about this in the past and the general agreement is people don't want ingame voice. Here are the basic reasons:
It's impossible to monitor. You can be as toxic as you like in audio and no discipline will come from it simply because it's impossible to review the audio. Sure Riot could theoretically save the audio files from reported games, but do you have any idea how big an hour-long decent-quality audio file is, multiplied by the number of reports Riot gets daily? They'd be swamped.
It's usually annoying. Everyone that's played a game with widespread VoIP remembers the types of people that shouldn't have access to voice chat. Whiners who complain about everything. Wannabe DJs filling the chat with crappy music. Trolls and other toxic jerks. Backseat generals who point out everyone's mistakes but their own. These people often get muted.
It enables and encourages prejudice. I've played other games with built-in voice, and you wouldn't believe the way some people will go off if someone else in the party speaks in voice and turns out to sound like a BFF - Black, Female, or Foreigner. This often winds up enabling toxicity as opposed to reducing it, especially if you have a female in voice with a wannabe pickup artist or two foreigners from the same country in voice speaking their own language among a bunch of English-speakers (especially Americans).
It's not cost-effective. This is more of a corporate viewpoint, but still valid. Riot doesn't have an existing VoIP infrastructure; they'd need to develop one specially for League. That's expensive stuff, especially if they want to do it well. Time would need to be spent developing the feature, money would need to be spent renting servers and purchasing bandwidth to accommodate it, time would need to be spent maintaining it and upgrading it, and all for a feature maybe 10% of the playerbase will ever really find value in. It's just too expensive for what it brings.
You just mute the damn person then. Idiot. You don't monitor LoL voice chats in a damn log you psycho.
No, only if fools like you are talking. All you have to do is mute them again. Something clearly you haven't learned through playing LoL I see. Wonder what it is you do in game.
You racist, just mute them then. Simple button.
It is cost effective and eliminates the need for a Chat Restriction program. You can not say 10% of the playerbase will find value in it because you do not know how to evaluate a player base.
Not too much offense intended!
You just mute the damn person then. Idiot. You don't monitor LoL voice chats in a damn log you psycho.
No, only if fools like you are talking. All you have to do is mute them again. Something clearly you haven't learned through playing LoL I see. Wonder what it is you do in game.
You racist, just mute them then. Simple button.
It is cost effective and eliminates the need for a Chat Restriction program. You can not say 10% of the playerbase will find value in it because you do not know how to evaluate a player base.
Not too much offense intended!
This is why you're chat restricted all the time.
This is why you're chat restricted all the time.
You're a racist hick, I'm chat restricted because Riot is corrupt. Every point you listed is wrong, and everything I said is 100% right you sexist fuck.
How is he/she sexist? :P
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How is he/she sexist? :P
His 3rd point.... -.-. He says "Black, Female or Foreigner" could "enable toxicity"...............as a person you shouldn't be on that end of the debate. You should be stopping the toxicity, not the blacks females and foreigners from speaking.
He never said that anything that was racist or sexist. He said that some people could react badly to some more uncommon voices/accents. His third point wasn't just about blacks, females and foreigners, those groups were used as an example.
Racism and prejudices exist, that's a fact and a good enough reason to say that hearing someone's voice might bring more racism and prejudistic thinking into games, because you won't know anything about someone's gender or ethnicity just from written text, unless they specifically mention something about it.
And about your chat restrictions: I won't say that Riot isn't a corrupt company, but you calling him a sexist fuck, for no proper reason at all, tells something about you, and it's nothing positive.
Racism exists, and won't go away if you call everyone racist who touch the subject of racism.
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He never said that anything that was racist or sexist. He said that some people could react badly to some more uncommon voices/accents. His third point wasn't just about blacks, females and foreigners, those groups were used as an example.
Then you clearly did not get one word of what I wrote. As well as clearly did not read what that fool wrote. If he says people could react badly to a foreign person, and that that is why Riot shouldn't include voice chat....then he is clearly saying he wouldn't invert the situation in his stupid brain and view it as a scenario where you'd instead stop the bad reactions. You don't stop the voices. You stop the bad reactions. That is called doing 1 + 0 instead of 0 + 1. If a person can not flip that in the context of allowing a voice in a video game as well as accommodating a foreigner in the midst of segregation, and is done so in the manner he (or she) did: it is psychopathy. Very likely a potential neo-nazi as well.
[{quoted}](name=C 0 o k 1 3,realm=EUW,application-id=aAJWt2b9,discussion-id=k5wFGugA,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-28T23:24:39.826+0000) Racism and prejudices exist, that's a fact and a good enough reason to say that hearing someone's voice might bring more racism and prejudistic thinking into games, because you won't know anything about someone's gender or ethnicity just from written text, unless they specifically mention something about it.
And that is why, you clearly up to this point haven't realized there's a report button and admins that will try to solve some issues. Or you can just mute the person. Or stand up for someone.
[{quoted}](name=C 0 o k 1 3,realm=EUW,application-id=aAJWt2b9,discussion-id=k5wFGugA,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-28T23:24:39.826+0000) And about your chat restrictions: I won't say that Riot isn't a corrupt company, but you calling him a sexist fuck, for no proper reason at all, tells something about you, and it's nothing positive.
I did not call Riot that. I called that ignorant kid one.
[{quoted}](name=C 0 o k 1 3,realm=EUW,application-id=aAJWt2b9,discussion-id=k5wFGugA,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-28T23:24:39.826+0000) Racism exists, and won't go away if you call everyone racist who touch the subject of racism.
It will if they didn't know it was racism. Or at least it will Assist.
Polls (unofficial ones mind) have been done about this in the past and the general agreement is people don't want ingame voice. Here are the basic reasons:
Those reasons weren't his own, as he was stating the general reasons why people don't want voice chat. I'm not sure how accurate he was, but he never said he agreed with any of them.
You're a racist hick, I'm chat restricted because Riot is corrupt. Every point you listed is wrong, and everything I said is 100% right you sexist fuck.
Can you read this:
And about your chat restrictions: I won't say that Riot isn't a corrupt company, but you calling him a sexist fuck, for no proper reason at all, tells something about you, and it's nothing positive.
I'm not sure if you mean you didn't call Riot a sexist fuck, which you didn't (I wouldn't use "him" to refer to Riot), but you did call Riot corrupt.
I did not call Riot that. I called that ignorant kid one.
Oh, by the way, I'm done here. If you didn't still get what I meant, then you clearly aren't worth wasting my time on.
Finally, I'll say that I don't agree with him, and I have nothing against voice chat in lol (it wouldn't work without major changes though), but it's just dump how you can straight out call someone a sexist fuck with little to no proof.
Voice chat wouldn't work in lol, because the current matchmaking would make having it nearly impossible: there's no option to select language(s) when you search a game, which would cause problems in regions where are multiple different languages.
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Those reasons weren't his own, as he was stating the general reasons why people don't want voice chat. I'm not sure how accurate he was, but he never said he agreed with any of them.
Can you read this:
I'm not sure if you mean you didn't call Riot a sexist fuck, which you didn't (I wouldn't use "him" to refer to Riot), but you did call Riot corrupt.
Oh, by the way, I'm done here. If you didn't still get what I meant, then you clearly aren't worth wasting my time on.
Finally, I'll say that I don't agree with him, and I have nothing against voice chat in lol (it wouldn't work without major changes though), but it's just dump how you can straight out call someone a sexist fuck with little to no proof.
Voice chat wouldn't work in lol, because the current matchmaking would make having it nearly impossible: there's no option to select language(s) when you search a game, which would cause problems in regions where are multiple different languages.
If he typed the reasons, they were his own & he agrees with them. And if he actually could even think of what he wrote let alone ACTUALLY TYPE IT ON THE KEYBOARD....then therefore he has been carrying that view for A VERY LONG TIME.
And I misread the thing you said about Riot and calling him sexist, my mess-up! And they are corrupt, chat restricting me is injustice.
And believe it or not, it actually does tell a positive thing of me. Many in fact, as I never make mistakes in life. And no, it is not dumb (you wrote "dump") to write what I WROTE....if someone else wrote it then its meaningless generally. I wrote it with 100% accurate proof. All the proof I'd need to get him certified for psychiatric therapy.
If you could not identify the proof, then that is why you are grouped into the category of people that could not visibly help the situation. Hence, why your view is ignored generally.
And yes Voice Chat would work excellently.

Based on your posts here, I don't know why I'd ever want to hear you in-game.
You're chat restricted because you deserve it. VoIP is a terrible idea for all the reasons mentioned above. The regular chat is bad enough, the last thing I want to do is mute clowns, like yourself, at the start of every match because they're streaming music or screaming into the mic.
Based on your posts here, I don't know why I'd ever want to hear you in-game.
That would mean you are incapable of connecting the wise words of justice with a possible justic-voiced in-game. Or, you're faking it.
{quoted} You're chat restricted because you deserve it.
You do not have access to every single frame of every League of Legends match of my life, so you can not evaluate it based on that. You do not have real life footage of me or any other evaluations of who I am to determine what I deserve in this case.
{quoted} VoIP is a terrible idea for all the reasons mentioned above.
You did not mention any idea above, or either that you're saying the whole VoIP system is a terrible idea because of me. Seems like you're siding with me in a subtle way.
{quoted} The regular chat is bad enough, the last thing I want to do is mute clowns, like yourself, at the start of every match because they're streaming music or screaming into the mic.
Then that is why Riot Games should tweak the interface to allow a default voice mute toggle button for every game you join (so you don't have to click anything). And if the regular chat is bad, that is probably you or some friend of yours' fault. Because we good people don't have issues. And if there are, we handle them rationally. Not disallow a properly functional microphone system that has been around since the 1980s.
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But, but.....
Feeding this troll is so much fun. I mean, I knew that some villages miss their idiots, but this one probably has an entire state rejoicing that he's decided to take his particular brand of insanity to these forums.
I'm picturing men in white lab coats with large butterfly nets and burly men carrying straightjackets chasing after Buddy. Sadly, I'm not sure the medicine has been discovered to return him to sanity.
But I must say, he doesn't appear to suffer from insanity too much, he appears to be enjoying it immensely. :P
bottom lane is failing hard!!!11 aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!!!11111
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bottom lane is failing hard!!!11 aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!!!11111
Huh? lol you shouldn't make fun of people that talk that way
Huh? lol you shouldn't make fun of people that talk that way
google that line :3
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google that line :3
I still don't get it o.O I couldn't find any results on it
EDIT: ah okay! HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tried it with randoms in curse voice, people are still toxic and it's even worse over VOIP
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tried it with randoms in curse voice, people are still toxic and it's even worse over VOIP
I've never had a toxic random on curse voice.
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I've never had a toxic random on curse voice.
happened to me a few times, it was pretty lame ;
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I've never had a toxic random on curse voice.
I've had a few, but in teamspeak not curse since I use teamspeak more. The personality necessary to be toxic in chat carries over quiet easily to being toxic over a VoiP system.

Okay, I'm the dense one here. Wish I'd realized sooner how bad you were trolling.
It would especially be good because then just as the stupid Chat Restriction could be lifted in place of you just clicking the Mute button like any average computer game would let you do...you can have the option to mute their voice and then walah! No more need for restrictions! Because I swear someone at the company is constantly muting me by force instead of the players in the match choosing it...
Maybe if you could just act like a mature adult, you wouldn't have to worry about being chat restricted.
It's funny how often people like you claim it's for no reason yet from the posts in this thread alone, it's crystal clear why you're restricted and I'm glad you are.
The mute feature isn't an excuse to be toxic.
Personally, I'm waiting for the day that this living and breathing? example of why tigers eat their young comes here and announces that Riot has given him a lifetime chat ban. He certainly deserves it. :P
Maybe if you could just act like a mature adult, you wouldn't have to worry about being chat restricted.
It's funny how often people like you claim it's for no reason yet from the posts in this thread alone, it's crystal clear why you're restricted and I'm glad you are.
The mute feature isn't an excuse to be toxic.
I was never toxic, do not assume things when you do not know the details. You wouldn't have any way of knowing how I acted.
And I observe that you have an obsessive compulsive process of talking about how many other people you have met like me (as a result of knowing I'm right), but just know that simply siding with me is enough. I do not require more.
I won this discussion.
This would be unnecessary. If people want to talk to each other in game, then use Curse. It's practically the in game mic for league as is.
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This would be unnecessary. If people want to talk to each other in game, then use Curse. It's practically the in game mic for league as is.
Your views on practicality aside, League of Legends still does not have a Mic system. And it isn't practically it generally, but okay. And you wouldn't know if it would be unnecessary (no offense).
I'm saying, what can an in game mic achieve that curse can't? With curse, all parties can agree to enter the chat, and you can leave whenever you want, and in game, you can also mute the players or turn down their volumes. Curse voice achieves everything an in game mic can, thereby making a league specific in game mic, unnecessary.
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I'm saying, what can an in game mic achieve that curse can't?
And, if you are saying that, then that automatically means this next statement is rendered useless:
[{quoted}](name=Its Spongebob,realm=NA,application-id=aAJWt2b9,discussion-id=k5wFGugA,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-04-03T16:45:28.731+0000) Curse voice achieves everything an in game mic can, thereby making a league specific in game mic, unnecessary.
Because you had to ask about what the achievements are. Meaning you did not know, and likely still do not. So you are unqualified to make a verdict on whether or not the in-game mic is unnecessary. I'm sure one day...they'll add it.
huh? im trying to say that there is no need for an in game mic, when curse already does all of that. There is no reason to have an in game mic when we have curse.
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huh?
I cannot even begin to comprehend what would have been difficult to understand about what I wrote (albeit the few typos).
But basically,
[{quoted}](name=Its Spongebob,realm=NA,application-id=aAJWt2b9,discussion-id=k5wFGugA,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-03T18:20:28.433+0000) im trying to say that there is no need for an in game mic, when curse already does all of that.
That would have been an okay point to contribute, but because you don't know what "all of that" is for the game you wouldn't really know how well a Curse system compares. Because you are not that experienced in gaming yet!
[{quoted}](name=Its Spongebob,realm=NA,application-id=aAJWt2b9,discussion-id=k5wFGugA,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-03T18:20:28.433+0000) There is no reason to have an in game mic when we have curse.
I already outlined why there is, and you still either way are not qualified to determine that as of yet.
then please enlighten me, what can this league in game mic do that curse can't?
Already exists with Curse Voice.
I LOVE using this feature, it makes my games go so much more smoothly. I only had one negative experience, and I wasn't even the one that started it. I duo with my boyfriend a lot and he talks a lot of crap ingame, so of course he did it on CV, so he instigated the other guys and they targeted both of us.
Already exists with Curse Voice.
I LOVE using this feature, it makes my games go so much more smoothly. I only had one negative experience, and I wasn't even the one that started it. I duo with my boyfriend a lot and he talks a lot of crap ingame, so of course he did it on CV, so he instigated the other guys and they targeted both of us.
We don't give a shit....
A League of Legends in-game mic is not the same as Curse Voice.
We don't give a shit....
A League of Legends in-game mic is not the same as Curse Voice.
Explain how it's not the same then.
Curse voice has ingame functionality already. What more could you add?
What more could you add?
That would indicate/mean that you are not sure if it has ingame functionality. Meaning you know it isn't as good as or the equivalent of a ingame LoL mic system.
That would indicate/mean that you are not sure if it has ingame functionality. Meaning you know it isn't as good as or the equivalent of a ingame LoL mic system.
How dense are you.
I'm perfectly happy with the Curse Voice program and do not think LoL needs its own ingame mic.
I am asking YOU why you think Curse Voice isn't good enough, and why you want LoL to have its own ingame mic. What features would you like to see if LoL added its own mic functionality?
Voice chat is not a terrible idea at all. People think just because people can troll or be annoying or be toxic that's a reason not to include voice chat. But people already do that in the chat box so what makes this any different. The answer is this simple: mute them the same way you mute people in regular chat. There is nothing wrong with a voice option. Best case scenario people will actually be able to coordinate with their teammates in ranked matches, which is needed. Worst case scenario is people will have to click the mute button slightly more often than before.
Voice chat is not a terrible idea at all. People think just because people can troll or be annoying or be toxic that's a reason not to include voice chat. But people already do that in the chat box so what makes this any different. The answer is this simple: mute them the same way you mute people in regular chat. There is nothing wrong with a voice option. Best case scenario people will actually be able to coordinate with their teammates in ranked matches, which is needed. Worst case scenario is people will have to click the mute button slightly more often than before.
Excellent. That is simple logic that for some reason not many people can understand. Anyone that refutes that as well as what I said suffers from severe autism.
Exactly. It annoys me when people argue "People will be toxic and troll" without realizing that people are already toxic and do troll in regular chat. If people use the argument that they should be muted, the same argument can be used for voice chat. It's not any different.
Anyone that refutes that as well as what I said suffers from severe autism.
You're not qualified to determine that.
You're not qualified to determine that.
You don't have any knowledge of me to say something like that, and plus it only shows you're trying to copy me as a result of frustration at the fact you have lost to my greatness.
You don't have the knowledge that I don't have the knowledge of you to say something like that.
And I have the knowledge that you don't have the knowledge to know whether I have the knowledge or not.
A person possessing greatness does not announce or reveal that they are great, for that inhibits their ability to be great.
I shall leave you to your sadness at the sudden realization that you are in fact, not great.
You don't have the knowledge that I don't have the knowledge of you to say something like that.
Yes, I do. You could not have really made a claim like that unless it were just a joke/troll attempt or whatever. Meaning in simple terms: I am more insightful.
{quoted} And I have the knowledge that you don't have the knowledge to know whether I have the knowledge or not.
No, you don't. You are not qualified to make a conclusion like that and is thus apparent of your rage via being made to feel defeated by me. It is common with those who are wrong in my midst.
{quoted} A person possessing greatness does not announce or reveal that they are great, for that inhibits their ability to be great.
That is invalid because you would not entirely know as well as me. The truth needed to be told to them that I was right and always will be. I never make mistakes.
{quoted} I shall leave you to your sadness at the sudden realization that you are in fact, not great.
This all seems to be an attempt out of envy. Copying me will not get you the level of intellect that I hold.
Yes, I do. You could not have really made a claim like that unless it were just a joke/troll attempt or whatever. Meaning in simple terms: I am more insightful.
But I did make a claim like that and I am no troll and I do not joke. Where is your proof beyond assumption? Your so called "insight" is based completely on assumption. Provide an actual intellectual answer, one that is not, "Because I am me, and you are troll". If you do respond with something similar to that, you hereby forfeit this dispute.
No, you don't. You are not qualified to make a conclusion like that and is thus apparent of your rage via being made to feel defeated by me. It is common with those who are wrong in my midst.
But you do not know whether I have the knowledge and qualifications or not, so you cannot state this as fact. If you do have the knowledge, then as stated before, provide proof beyond assumption, or you forfeit this dispute.
That is invalid because you would not entirely know as well as me. The truth needed to be told to them that I was right and always will be. I never make mistakes.
Stating something as invalid because you are you just shows weakness, and weakness is indeed not great, wouldn't you agree? You are right and always will be and you never make mistakes? Taking a look at your League of Legends match history, it seems to me like you make plenty of mistakes, unless you purposely die. In that case then you are intentionally feeding, which is a reportable offense.
This all seems to be an attempt out of envy. Copying me will not get you the level of intellect that I hold.
This just proves how lousy and inferior your "insight" is. It may "seem" to be an attempt out of envy, but I can assure you that I am not envious in the slightest. Also, I am not copying you, I would not stoop down to a level such as yours and I certainly would not touch it with a ten foot pole. Saying that copying you will not get me to the level of intellect that you have does not insinuate that your intellect is high, or even higher than mine, and I am going to assume your intellect is, well, average.
Once again, any answer you have that is solely based around the idea that you are you and you are always right, and that I am just a troll, clown, or jester of sorts, will automatically forfeit you from this duel of words, and you thereby admit defeat and I will not continue to respond. Your move.
But I did make a claim like that and I am no troll and I do not joke. Where is your proof beyond assumption? Your so called "insight" is based completely on assumption. Provide an actual intellectual answer, one that is not, "Because I am me, and you are troll". If you do respond with something similar to that, you hereby forfeit this dispute.
I am not required to give proof. You're again doing the exact thing you did before, which is trying to make all these certainties and labels about me over the keyboard when you and I both know you couldn't say that on the mic I bet. And not to mention that when I evaluate someone and say something like you said, it's actually correct coming from me. You can not make a declaration on who wins or loses. Because that is something only I can do.
{quoted} But you do not know whether I have the knowledge and qualifications or not, so you cannot state this as fact. If you do have the knowledge, then as stated before, provide proof beyond assumption, or you forfeit this dispute.
I do.
{quoted} Stating something as invalid because you are you just shows weakness, and weakness is indeed not great, wouldn't you agree?
That was what you just did. And in the previous two paragraphs. And you seem to know a lot about what weakness is and isn't xD (not something a person like me who cannot make a mistake would know of :D)
{quoted} You are right and always will be and you never make mistakes
Correct. Glad that you see it my way and can quit your retarded stupid ways.