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Ask Riot: Doom Bots, dragons, and balance

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This week, we’re talking champ balance, Doom Bots, and dragon names.



When are Doom Bots coming back? Are there plans to add them to the Rotating Game Mode queue?

As some of you have probably already seen on PBE, the Doom Bots of Doom are back!

Doom Bots is probably one of the most script-intensive modes we ever made. That hasn’t changed this time around either, with some of the new things we’ve ‘cooked’ up for you. :) It’s easily one of the most complex to develop, hence the long absence. But it felt like the right time to bring the Doom Bots back -- you might even say they’ve been… ‘summoned’… by a new and sinister presence. An old evil….

As for adding them to the RGM queue? I think we probably will. Much like Ascension after the Shurima event or Legend of the Poro King after Snowdown, we’ll probably add the Doom Bots of Doom into the rotation to bring some spicy fun to the weekends.

L4T3NCY, Lead Designer Rotating Game Modes



As far as I know, the name of the dragon with Tristana is Riggle. What's the name of the dragon with Lulu?

Many moons ago, we announced that Lulu’s dragon was an alternate fantasy of her faerie companion, Pix. However, we’ve put a lot of effort into telling deeper stories about our thematics over the years, so allow me to indulge you with an alternate fantasy to that alternate fantasy.

For Tristana’s dragon, the name “Riggle” came about rather easily. He hatched from his egg like an awkward dancer finding his footing on the floor. All he ever wanted to do was go places and eat good grub. Happiness was a simple concept to him. It quickly became clear that a suitable name would be as simple, cute, and playful as its owner.

Lulu’s dragon, on the other claw, has a name, but it’s much more abstract. In fact, the name is near impossible to pronounce in any modern language that we know. It’s kinda what you expect a warm, crackling fire burning steadily in the hearth of a stone castle to sound like, while strong gusts of wind press against the heavy, barred windows. There’s also a feminine pitch to the name, akin to the gentle whine of the violet wildflowers that have grown and entangled themselves around those bars.

Put all that imagery into a feeling and then into a sound and you’re probably in the right synesthetic ballpark.

kantayams, Writer, Personalization



When thinking about balance, how much of a focus is a champion’s win rate? Is a 50% win rate for every champion the goal/ideal?

A champion’s win rate is a useful indicator as to which champions we should look at, but it’s not directly representative of whether a champion is balanced/unbalanced. Context’s really important, with a lot of factors potentially making a number misleading at first glance.

That includes things like:

  • Average number of games players have played on a champion. A champion with a really experienced playerbase will have a higher average win rate for the amount of power in the kit, so it might be appropriate for their win rate to be above 50% when balanced.
  • How difficult the champion is to play. A character with a really high skill ceiling, who’s hard to play initially, should, all else being equal, have a lower win rate than the average champion (newer players will struggle a lot, so a 50% win rate means experienced players will be way too strong).
  • What the champion’s presence says about team comps. Tanks and supports generally have somewhat higher win rates because their presence on a team tends to mean that team has a better than average team comp. Assassins especially by contrast often have lower than average win rates in part because they’re often picked on teams they’re not a good fit for or into games where they’re not a good choice. The assassins themselves may have balanced kits, but the situations players are choosing to use them in can depress their statistical performance.
  • The different ways in which a champion is played. A champion who’s balanced, or even strong, in one position, or with one build, might have a weak looking average win rate if a significant amount of their play’s using an alternate build, or in a less effective role.

Win rate is impacted by a lot of factors, so it can’t be a sole indicator.

Meddler, Lead Gameplay Designer



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89 Comments

Deep Terror Nami48 votes

I tried saying Lulu's Dragon's name the way you said; Instructions unclear, I think I've sold my firstborn to a traveling circus for magic peanuts.

Decrit13 votes

well, that sounds like how Lulu would have got her dragon in first place...

HoldenC3 votes

it also sounds like something lulu would want to make someone do. did the peanut salesman resemble lulu at all?

Decrit2 votes

I don't want to mess things up even more, but...

Were those peanuts actually just peanuts?

TheScaredCrow15 votes

So Lulu's dragon's name is basically this?

RiotThe Wolff106 votes

I think it's more like this.

DBRAINFREEZE12 votes

Well played, good sir.

Enlegacy22 votes

Sigh. I really should be able to recognize that by the url code at this rate.

Snowplosion4 votes

And RickRolled...

Otter Fire5 votes

So, her name is Rick Astley or Astley?

Phoenixfeather138 votes

Well joke's on you, I LOVE THIS SONG joins in Astley's awkward '80s dance

AntiSkillshot4 votes

I haven't seen anyone RickRoll in a long... long time.

+1

bobyjhon1322 votes

but you're sure it's not like this?

CutTheIastBreath2 votes

NotLikeThis

Joseraph2 votes

I was expecting it do sound like this

N7ght2 votes
theBlindManko15 votes

"Lulu’s dragon, on the other claw"

Im diyng over this

smug jinx main9 votes

Lulu’s dragon, on the other claw, has a name, but it’s much more abstract. In fact, the name is near impossible to pronounce in any modern language that we know. It’s kinda what you expect a warm, crackling fire burning steadily in the hearth of a stone castle to sound like, while strong gusts of wind press against the heavy, barred windows. There’s also a feminine pitch to the name, akin to the gentle whine of the violet wildflowers that have grown and entangled themselves around those bars.

So in other words they didn't think of one.[zombie-brand-clap]

Garlic Butter3 votes

No you can vocalize it, it is just somewhat complicated (unless you know swahili?) since english doesn't have many words or phonetics for abstract vocalizations and grunts tweets and clicks

For instance @#&$ is actually a pronouncable word/sound (gosh i hope i spelled that right)

Joseraph4 votes

It's not Riots fault you can't speak purple

BlackHairedGirl2 votes

Purple Speaking is hereditary. However, Red and Blue Speaking isn't.

BlongTreyLo9 votes

Doom Bots of Doom Teemo : SurPRiiise motherf**ker !!!

Music Ques

summoner 3 DEFEAT item 3070

Malicious Metal8 votes

Speaking of Dragons...

Mordekaiser!

He's in a really strong spot right now and a lot of indirect changes have made him actually get back into shape. He has greater outplay options and actually feels great to play nowadays but this begs the question of what will happen to this fragile, yet so very pleasing balance state he's in once you meddle (hue) with Rylais.

Can we get some context into what you might be changing about the item, Morde, or both?

Gelmous8 votes

any chances we might see the 1v1 game mode again?

ParadoxCross4 votes

Star Guardians when?

Dragon Master4 votes

Dragon Master Swain when?

The Outcast26 votes

I think we all just want the bat-themed BruSwain.

Revan7even2 votes

I hate playing against Swain, but BruSwain... that's just too awesome not to upvote! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

GGdays3 votes

Sounds like, Doom.

akin to the gentle whine of the violet wildflowers that have grown and entangled themselves around those bars.

RIP Paul Walker3 votes

I'm currently on PBE testing out Doom Bots, is the difficulty on the bots going to be enabled?

Ashen Rider2 votes

It will be in the next couple of days.

GerAvos3 votes

Doom bots :DDD

Emojay3 votes

Thank you for the dragon trainer lulu bit lol! Any plans on giving it a recall, though? Seems kinda stale without one, and I think more people would actually buy it if it had a sick recall!

DeathBurst3 votes

I'm amazed that Riot still feel the need to answer this question about Winrates. If it hasn't been said 10 times already in 5 different places all over the Internet I'm ready to eat my hat. This is said and said again and then repeated one more time for good measure, every month or so...

RiotMeddler6 votes

It is one we've answered a lot in the past, so for a lot of people it's a super familiar answer. At the same time though it's also one of the most common questions we've been getting in the Ask Riot submissions recently, so there do seem to be a lot of people who haven't seen that previous discussion. Given it's a pretty important subject when it comes to talking about game balance we feel it's important to repeat every so often.

Jeddy0172 votes

Meddler, sorry to bother you, but I was wondering if Ivern is the last new champ of 2016 or there is at least one more on the way.

Purdoo2 votes

I can't really personally speak for Riot, but I give it a 90% chance Ivern is not the last champ of 2016. This only comes from the pattern seen in the previous year, where Kindred was released around this exact time prior to the marksman rework (this year the assassin rework is to follow the release of Ivern). Illaoi came around November (patch 5.23, marksman rework was 5.22, and Kindred was released on patch 5.20), and thus I believe that a new champ should shortly be released a patch after the asssassin rework, sometime in late November/early December.

Beedle2 votes

Ivern is most likely the last new champ this year. Less than 3 months left and in those months we will be getting preseason, the Assassin updates, and the Warwick rework. This, combined with the fact that Ivern marks the fifth champion released this year, it's a safe bet to say that Riot isn't going to break tradition and release a sixth in the midst of the coming updates.

Fąkér3 votes

will we get mastery points for champions, keys, and chests from this gamemode?

EvilUnicornLord3 votes

Hey, since we're talking about dragons, can we get Dragon Trainer Quinn's bird dragon to be named Bartholomew? It's pretty obvious you guys are going to make that skin (I mean, come on, it's perfect) and Bartholomew is an awesome name.

Wert the Wacky3 votes

I want the guy bringing doom bots to Fiddlesticks. Y'know, "summoned". Riot hates Fiddle though, so it's unlikely. Fiddlesticks item 3070

Garlic Butter3 votes

Lol that subtle mention about the majority of players playing Blitzcrank and Leona in the wrong lanes and builds :)

QuantumPanther2 votes

Top Lane Leona <3 Where she was meant to be!

Krimipoww2 votes

I read " the name is near impossible to pronounce in any modern language that we know" and skip to the end of the post for the name. For a second I thought "kantayams" was the dragons name (no flame).

Garlic Butter1 votes

New champs and reworks are on a 3 month cycle so we should see either a reworked/updated champ (assasins?) or a new champ by december. Probably nothing in november due to getting/ Star Guardians, New game mode (Doom bots of Doom) for a bit and horrowing stuff and ivern this month. It might be january 2017 too if they hit some delays

Beedle3 votes

Assassin rework, then the Warwick update. No more new champs this year, we're at max capacity!

Violet Raven2 votes

Just one question, are you guys ever going to touch kalista again? because if not then Id like to refund my once favorite champion so i can at least buy a champion riot cares about

Beedle1 votes

She got a new skin recently. Sounds like caring to me.

The real unloved champs are just sad. But at least Galio, Warwick, Evelyn, and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HOPEFULLY Nunu will be reworked next year.

Revan7even1 votes

Ummmm... anyone notice a suspicous lack of evelyn on this page? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-2017/assassins [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

legendarytiger1 votes

she's mentioned in the stealth mechanics.

Broadly speaking, we think of stealth in two ways which roughly map to long/moderate-duration effects (Evelynn), versus short-duration effects (Wukong).

and thats it, so yeah, not a whole lot of attention to her there, so maybe they plan to rework Eve next season?

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