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Join Riot designers at 2 PM Pacific Time for a pre-season Q&A and live demos of the assassin reworks. If you’re here a bit early, leave your questions in the comments below so we can address them right off the bat!


You can also watch the stream directly or check out past VODs on the League Twitch channel.

326 Comments

ArcRaizen89 votes

Why can't we just get details on the changes right now? You've always released a big article detailing the changes before they hit the PBE, but now you're doing a livestream with 2 hours notice? Tons of people, including me, will miss it, but a simple article would be all that's necessary.

Darthphipps42 votes

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Shankintime44 votes

Oh this was the same thing they showed on the twitch stream, right? This is sick yeah

ModernDayQwest32 votes

Wow that rly surprised me now

JELLOLEAF19 votes

It is real. Thanks for posting it here.

Literally Kappa14 votes

any hopes for a zohnyas hourglass that an ad champion can build since qss cant save you from the 7/0 zed's ult. seriously rito are you guys a bunch of zed mains that wanna see him make adc's cry?

coeurloyal6 votes

Marksmen should neither have nor need a zhonya's. A massive part of gameplay as a bot is in your positioning; where positioning fails you, you should have a support to pick up the slack. Very rarely have I been blown up by a Zed unless we got outplayed or unless I deserved it. Or unless mid fed the crap out of him--which is a different problem entirely.

Besides, Zed's attack window is getting longer in the assassin update. It should be much easier to respond soon.

Shdw jho1 votes

"Or unless mid fed the crap out of him--which is a different problem entirely." So the adc should have to bend over all game long with little to no counterplay because your mid laner is terrible uh? Oh, I also feel like the 7/0 part of the zed wasn't caused by the adc to begin with, or that it might have been what he was trying to go say.

coeurloyal1 votes

Yes. It's a team game. If one of your lanes feeds (which will happen because someone has to lose), the rest of the team has to 'bend over all game' to make sure they don't get caught out by the fed enemy. That's universally true.

If you know an enemy lane is fed, it's on you (and in this case, your support) to make sure you're paying attention to that player and not getting caught out. You can't just give every player some universal 'safe' button to protect them against losses somewhere else; that would entirely defeat the purpose and nature of a snowballing champion.

The purpose of winning mid is to translate that pressure to side lanes. Take that away, and you have an eternal 2v2 with occasional ganks because tower racing will become the only good option left to teams.

Shdw jho1 votes

I feel like you understood most of what I was going for, but I probably wasn't clear enough: Yes, if mid, top, jungler or adc (or even things like brand support) on the enemy team is fed, you have to play around that. If it's a assassin, then that means better warding, trying to peel him off or pick him off in a 1v5, but the problem is that those actions aren't always possible (if your team lacks hard cc, if the enemy is grouping...) And also, I was going for the items, not the actions. If you play an AP champ, and see the fed assassin/snowball champ, you can build a zhonya and try to outplay him even by yourself, and that's why I love the idea of Zhonya's active. Even low mobility champions can now build a protobelt to have dashes to juke and outplay with, if they need it. The problem for me is that there aren't enough items that allow the adc to have that feeling. I'm not saying that we should remove the fact that an adc needs good positioning to not die, but even ap mages or assassin can screw up their positioning and have a "oh god, i screwed up" button, like say twisted fate often buys a zhonya's so he can make use of his ult and possibly survive if he missed the mark, but the adc who makes a slight misstep (and not nearly as big a misstep as teleporting into a 5 man cluster) will die, or get a GA pop. The GA, although it sounds like a good answer, doesn't really fit with what I'm saying here: You don't decide when it pops, and as such it cannot be used for an outplay. Everything about the GA is predictable, and as such, it isn't a tool that you play with, but another constant that you and your opponent have to play around. You gain magic resist and armour. If you die, you WILL revive in 4 seconds, with either 700 or 30% hp. If you are about to get bursted down, unless you can manage to dodge it through some other way, you will die. It's far different from the zhonya's which, although it does give flat stats, if you die, it might be because you failed to use it properly, or at all. If you're about to get bursted with a zhonya's on hand, it's your skills that will make use of the item. I am targeting the Zhonya's as I feel it's the only item that doesn't have an AD counterpart. I like its unique feel, and would not want to see a copy of it for adc's, with AD instead of AP as stats (that would make me sad as it would remove the unique feeling of zhonya's), but I would like to see something to replace it, a tool to dodge maybe, as adc's don't really want to stop moving or attacking, kind of like the Mirage blade from black market brawler game mode. I'm not saying we need THAT item, but since most people had the chance to see it in action, and that it added a lot more play potential, I think it speaks for itself and proves my point.

I do like the point you are adding about the "translate that pressure to side lanes". To be blunt, I approve what you said.The snowballing champion that roams to say bot lane as we are talking about adc could get a double kill, and get even more fed, and then I'd be happy to take the loss. The snowballing champion would then have outplayed me, my support, possibly my jungler and, of course, the mid laner. If we did our job correctly, the whole bot lane would have noticed the mid was missing, and warded. The snowballing champ would have found a deserted lane, lost time and gold and exp roaming, allowing our mid to catch up. There's a lot of risk and reward in roaming. It feels similar to the teamfight situation, where you just get murdered through your team, but here you can run away, while leaving your whole team to fight on their own because a fed enemy is zoning you isn't possible in a teamfight (and most likely will result in a loss). I'm fine with that however, as in lane phase you don't have your items yet, and need some other way to counter the roaming. Leaving is a good one. In teamfights, you can't leave as the team needs your damage, and yet you cannot get too close to the fed enemy. It is a problem that you can solve with perfect positioning, but as such things don't exist, and that even your full build doesn't give you a true outplay potential, I think there just needs to be an item allowing the adc to ouplay in teamfights.

TL;DR : Yes, you need to play around the assassin, but if ap characters have an item the allows them to outplay an assassin, why don't ad's have something similar?

coeurloyal2 votes

I don't think it would hurt to have at least one safety option that adc's can activate by their own volition, but I'm not really sure what form that would come in. I do know that an AD Zhonya's/ going untargetable is absolutely not the answer. I also don't like the fact that AD carries are in such a feast or famine state, but they bring so much DPS and objective pushing power that I'm not sure it could really be any other way without chipping away at some of that power.

PFG11 votes

Can we look forward to any voice line updates for the assassins being reworked? I'd love to hear more from Katarina and Talon

YLOr89tbSD10 votes

Pleasepleasepleaseplease tell me there will be a reason to play Rengar after this rework. By far my fav champ and trying to stay optimistic.

SYN Legacy8 votes

dude I am a Rengar 1 trick I hope he will still stay awesome

YLOr89tbSD3 votes

Low elo but same here. Hes pretty much all I play and practically the reason I still play this game.

Literally Kappa13 votes

honestly i hope hes not gunna just one shot people. as a support main nothing is more frustrating than not being able to protect your adc from something. cough Malphite Vi Olaf cough

Bei Jayyy3 votes

a fed vi or olaf is the worst lol

Expertizing4 votes

or a full ap malphite that decides to press r and delete the adc

DragonTroopBeta11 votes

I hope he becomes unusable trash.

Proxxon17 votes

This here is a ADC

NothingAwesome6 votes

So when are we going to make Janna an assassin?

ChampOfGlaceon5 votes

All of these new reworks make me wonder, does Riot Games ever intend on helping out my boy Aatrox ?

CE Hyper5 votes

He's a diver so he will be apart of the diver rework with others like vi and such or maybe on his own entirely. This is not the place to ask about him this is for the assassin rework

Kuhbaar1 votes

The correct term is fighter

djluke439 votes

He is in the class Fighter, but is in the subclass of Diver. So Diver is the more accurate term.

PFG5 votes

So are there going to be any changes to armor pen items or build paths to vary the early game adc meta?

3lite One2 votes

This has very much been on my mind, as a Jhin main I'm really nervous about these changes, maybe the duskblade won't be as optimal as before

Sagaxwiki2 votes

This is the biggest thing I would like to learn about because it could honestly substantially change the meta champions in bot lane.

A Liberal5 votes

Riot has said multiple times that one of the goals of the assassin rework was to increase the amount of time it takes for assassins to kill targets. If assassin damage isn't instant, what is there to differentiate them from non-asassin burst mages, say Annie or Ahri?

U R Good At Game3 votes

I think it will still be faster than that. Just not instant. Take katarina for example. She can use all 4 of her abilities before the server can even recognize you flashing away from her. Also, another main goal is to make assassins have a higher risk. Like LB and Zed. They are super safe picks but can also 100-0 you with very little. They don't really have bad match ups. Even in a countered lane their mechanics allow them to stay far from harm or death.

The Pale Woman5 votes

Is LeBlanc's AA going to be changed to help with her laning phase? Its pretty weak and has a long pause between each AA.

2019 Offended38 votes

wow yes because leblancs lane phase is so bad at the moment

SonofMoses2 votes

is her AA going to be changed...? those stats would be base AD or base AS and no they probably wont be. She's a burst mage she isn't supposed to be able to AA like an ADC

Itsbeghdev5 votes

He probably means just making the animation feel better.

The Pale Woman4 votes

Her AA doesn't need to be strong, the Animation has too many frames and so its hard to CS on her when you have to wait for her animation to go through as well attack the minion seconds before it actually is low.

Other Mages have an AA strength of roughly 57 AD while LeBlanc has a clunky animation and 54 AD making her AA extremely weak and hard to CS with.

SwiftKitten884 votes

you said you had some changes in the works for RekSai

Meddler: We're planning on doing some work on Rek'Sai to shift her back towards a more damage focused champ. That'll likely involve transferring utility or tank power into damage, or at least pushing her towards more damage focused itemization. Details on that haven't been figured out yet. We wanted to mention it at this point since we've nerfed Rek'Sai a number of times recently but in not ways that have indicated that's our direction however (shorter term changes basically, working within her current state more than pushing her towards what we think she should be).

how are those coming along? what idea have you thought of you might try out for her?

ProtestantCaesar4 votes

No Kassadin changes? Why or why not?

My Boy Thresh4 votes

katarina?? whats gonna happen to her .Katarina

ChammyChanga2 votes

her dagger drops a draven-pickup-spot-esque spot where she can E to it or if it's on a champion you do extra damage. not quite sure

Bird Daddy Rakan3 votes

Will there be a lot of major changes to Khazix ? If so, will he have the same basic gameplay style, and will he have big buffs or nerfs?

Quicksi1ver3 votes

Hey Riot, Quick here. My concern with the assassin update is that if assassins are made too strong (not necessarily too bursty, just having too little weaknesses), then a good portion of the mages updated in the mage update are going to become obsolete, as they will get wrecked by buffed assassins. The only mid mages that would remain in the meta (other than counter-specific champs) are the ones who are already causing problems in mid by being too oppressive and lacking weaknesses, e.g. Syndra, Malzahar. As a mid main since season 1, I am fearing mid might turn into a "pick one of the top 5 OP champs" lane or lose. Please tell me I am wrong.

Thank you - looking forward to a great preseason

ThisBrokenBlade3 votes

Please show off Kat for me <3 I'm pretty excited for the rework, I just hope they don't make her too easy or nerf her to the groud :P

FuriousDestroy123 votes

Urgot

dustinphan32 votes

How will Talon be reworked without his e? Will he still be an assasin?

2019 Offended25 votes

no talon is a part of the assassin update but he will no longer be an assassin?

Rajeevssjgod1 votes

riot, aren't you going to help us yasuo mains out a bit here? you have nerfed him so much and this isn't fair! at least nerf someone else!![slayer-jinx-unamused]

GoldenShaman7 votes

Yasuo has a 51.4% win rate atm, and his win rate is even better if you know how to play him. He deserves more nerfs than buffs right now.

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