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Ask Riot: League Client Update and Death Recaps

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Welcome to Ask Riot!

This week, we’re talking about why we’re updating the Client and what’s going on with Death Recaps.



Why are you updating the client?

Most games don't ever need to replace their client. But League has been happily chugging along for the better part of the decade, and some of its parts have started to show their age.

We've pushed our loyal little client to its limits, but it's built on old, outdated tech—it just isn't designed to support the things we want to do for League's future. So, we're rebuilding it. The client update is a from-the-ground-up rework of League's home. Outside the game itself, the client affects every aspect of your League experience: the store, lobbies, chat, champ select, all that jazz.

For players, the client update matters for two main reasons: better visuals and better tech.


Visuals

Look at the legacy client. Seriously, look at the profile page. What is that, a scrapbook for wizards? Now look at the runes page. Why are there conch shells on magic resist glyphs? The answer: nobody knows. Because the League client was put together in pieces over many years, there's no visual consistency between pages. With the update, we’ve redesigned it with Hextech magic for a cohesive visual experience that fits the look and feel of League of Legends. It looks like this.


Tech

The current client runs on Adobe's AIR technology, aka the hottest tech of 2009. We decided to build the underlying technology from scratch based (more or less) on Chromium. It's allowing us to fix longstanding client bugs and deliver new features like replays.

cCc Grumbles cCc, Publishing Brand Management & Cactopus, Senior Writer



What is up with the Death Recap system?

Short version is the Death Recap system has some pretty large structural flaws that make it hard to incorporate new things and a pain to maintain.

Last year, you might remember when we did a large pass on Death Recaps. We were able to make them more accurate (people were no longer “dying” to flash), but we hit an impasse: without rebuilding the entire system, death recaps would require significant, ongoing maintenance to stay accurate. We are already seeing the improvements we made then start to unravel.

If we decide to focus on Death Recaps again, we would want to rebuild the entire foundation to correct its flawed structure. The reason we have not done this yet is because it would require shifting resources away from something else, and, as of right now, there are other things we are prioritizing. If Flash pops up as a thing that killed you (again), we may do some maintenance work.

Meddler, Lead Gameplay Designer


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146 Comments

StaircaseGone2285 votes

Lays Cactopus trap

RiotRiot Cactopus152 votes

steps in it

CHRIST JESUS LET ME OUT OF HERE

Jason Sepht32 votes

number 1 reason why you are my favorite rioter

RiotRiot Cactopus71 votes

that's super helpful Jason now can you please go find a crowbar or something

[slayer-jinx-wink]

CrystalDragon14113 votes

Here hands crowbar I got your back bro.

AgeOfTheMage8 votes

hmm, a crowbar won't work but this will! pulls out max ad raka with 6 infinity edges

Namira Bot2 votes

I bet most people won't even understand the reference.

But I do. c;

Darkslayer852 votes

CHRIST JESUS.

Help me I'm dying.

Vhan876533 votes

Could the Alpha Client get a quality option? It looks amazing for sure, but too amazing; my toaster has a hard time even running the client before getting into a game because it's so visually heavy.

Talon Party7 votes

Yes, please! My pc lags so much when a match is found and during the pre game lobby.

6Sfool16 votes

Alright, I'm game. Exactly what point between beta and full release will custom item sets be implemented in the new client?

RiotRiot Cactopus36 votes

The quick update on this is that while it's definitely still not a top priority, we've heard player outcry about the item set creator feature and we're having serious conversations internally about how to proceed. I'll keep y'all updated as these conversations continue. Hang tight!

DeathBurst10 votes

Hey Cactopus. I'll do a proper Bug Report as soon as I find some time, but just as a quick "let you know":

  1. When it was announced the item set builder wouldn't be ported to new Client, I popped the old Client and created a lot of Item Sets for most of my champ pool.
  2. I jumped back into the new Alpha Client and started a game. Couldn't access the new Item Sets I had just created. Still had access to the very old Sets I created months ago, but not the brand new ones.

Can you pretty please ack this post and forward the feedback to whoever is in charge of that? Again, I promise I'll do a real Bug Report, but I'll sleep better if I know the team is at least vaguely aware of the problem ;)

Thank you o/

boatjesus4 votes

Hey, I have experienced this bug as well. I found that you need to play one game from the old/normal client and then they will be accessible when you launch from the alpha client.

RiotRiot Cactopus16 votes

You are correct. The way item sets works (and have always worked) is that it creates the file when you first load it up in game. So like make your item sets for that champ and then load a quick custom game as that champ.

I know this is hacky but it's mostly related to the way item sets were originally built. It was a super rough feature thrown together with no UX people on board.

LeadedWolf10 votes

Hey, I just wanted to let the Riot Employees know about the new client. If you have a computer that isn't a gaming computer the client is visually hard on the computer. One of the recommend things I asked about it is that you have an option to edit the visual for the people who lag hard on the client. I would only really lag when I was entering a game, and also after the game it would lag hard and when you only have so long to pick or ban champs but most of the time you are waiting to log in due to the lag, its tough. I got kicked from 2 games because of it. Also on other stuff it lagged really hard (As in chest, mastery, shop, etc). Please I do hope you read this and help with the new client because if you don't some people will not be able to play. Thanks for taking the time to read this and I do hope you guys do something about this! Please up vote to get a developer to look and add this to the new client. Thanks!

urgaypwned6 votes

I haven't used it, but a launch/store/etc client doesn't need to be 'flashy', especially considering most players are using what could be considered a potato.

Noah Gaming8 votes

Riot Cactopus is the only Rioter without a item 3110

Call Me Twisted2 votes

But that's why we love him D:

Nerdfreed8 votes

What if i die to GHOST?~!

Theseus856 votes

only thing I have to say about the new client is that though the visual of the old client is seriously outdated the functionality of the new client is still lacking. Tiny writing, and tiny buttons like trade or game mode selection. Rune and mastery pages that you have to scroll through so no quick checking through and comparing. Also pages look cramped now you can't close social window. Keep the cool look but don't lose so much functionality for it.

Otter Fire6 votes

What will happen to the Item Sets that players can set for the shop menu in game so that items are easy to access? I haven't found where it might be in the new client if it is in the client. The updated lobby is still cool though!

E Zaire1 votes

They have previously stated that item sets will not be in the new client, but addons that do so for you (i.e. Championify) will still be supported.

Edit: including link to source (last part of the answer to the last question in the FAQ)

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/client-update/article/4ac7a0bc-8847-40cd-8efb-aa5aa3a660f4

Theseus853 votes

this sucks bc its the only place to look at items out of game. They really need to have somewhere that is available so you can read through new items or compare stats etc...

RiotRiot Cactopus10 votes

Hey 17flamnottor! Any item sets you make will still work when you use the updated client, but just last week we announced that we don't currently have plans for bringing over the legacy client's item set creator feature. There's been some player outcry about that, so we're having active discussions at Riot about it. We'll keep talking to players about our plans if anything changes.

Theseus853 votes

so from an analyst point of view you are saying there will be 0 places to examine items out of game which really hurts from my position of analyzing builds etc. I don't even need a set builder just a viewer.

RiotRiot Cactopus24 votes

Well, for out-of-game item viewing we have this very website: http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/items/

EDIT: WAIT, THAT WEBSITE SUCKS. We uh... we should probably fix that LOL

But I'm not saying what you said—I'm saying wait for more updates on item sets!

Shíny19 votes

The website that has no team actively maintaining it?

What the heck is this? http://imgur.com/9BHsFci

lets check out health regen http://imgur.com/xE02X7S

or maybe mana regen http://imgur.com/M54nlhU

remember that awesome crit strike item Tower:Storm Bulwark? http://imgur.com/unUEm3J

or maybe you just needed to check out your options on the rift: http://imgur.com/LO1FnQU

Theseus853 votes

lol I am glad I am not the only who laughed at the suggestion he made lol ROFL, I know they are busy and I know its completely a wonk site, but I never thought it would be linked by a rioter as a solution ROFL LMAO

Theseus853 votes

I am glad you replied and took the time to read my complaint and normally I would be stoked with the answer but that site is unusable

NaturesMayhem6 votes

I noticed something about the Alpha Client when using it, when you tab out of the game it "freezes" and when you tab back in it "unfreezes". I thought this might be an issue with recording or streaming the game and having to tab out to do something real quickly and your viewers seeing a frozen screen.

Yiffy4 votes

I am honestly really failing to see any reason to delay something as important as death recaps. If I am dying in a split three seconds, I would like to know who and what did damage to me, instead of having that one Ahri Q on there that hit me around 20 seconds ago. Death recap is very important in letting you figure out what defenses you need to build as a tank when the game is becoming so flashy that you can't see what's doing what, or when many things hit you at once. I really hope that recreating death recaps could be moved up higher in priority, as it's a core feature of the game.

Glaedr4 votes

What's important about it? Sure, it helps new players understand why they're getting their asses handed to them, but there's about a million and a half other things Riot could do to help new players in a game as complex as League.

For veterans that have a general understanding of what every champion in the game does, you don't need a death recap to tell you what did the most damage to you if you were actually paying attention to the fight. It's not even going to affect your build path when all you have to do is press tab, see what the majority of the enemy team's damage consists of, and check to see who has the majority of the kills on their team to adjust accordingly.

JainaProudgurl3 votes

Agreed. I got killed by Annie Q from a Jinx yesterday, you don't see me saying "Oh crap, I need to build MR to stop Jinx from hitting me with Annie Q's."

Ryuyah4 votes

What will happen to being able to view jokes/taunts/dance/laugh on the champion abilities page? (press ctrl+1/2/3/4)

Clicking Right2 votes

I don't even think Rioters know that feature still exists

AntiSkillshot4 votes

"Look at the legacy client. Seriously, look at the profile page. What is that, a scrapbook for wizards?" You did not just take a jab at the old lore and get a way with it, you bastards!

BigLittleGuy3 votes

Concerning the death recap, isn't it just as bad when it says you took damage from Soraka's passive, or smite even though the person that killed you had not upgraded smite? (Both of these have happened to me MULTIPLE times).

Call Me Twisted3 votes

Or how it says you were ignited by 3 people... but the other team has no ignite?

Dani W3 votes

Why are there conch shells on magic resist glyphs?

because conch shells are magic resistant? someone didn't go to summoner's school before altering the fields of justice hub!

seriously, my body is ready, the game has gone through so much updating, this client update should fit right in! Yeah, death recap rework might be good c: item 3102

minimars472 votes

Does this mean we will be able to replay entire games that we have recently played from the Client? :O

Jeskail3 votes

Yes.

Harmacist2 votes

Will club/friend list management be more intuitive? Right now it seems like just a huge list of names LOL

Pie Cubed2 votes

What reason is there for no item sets in the new client anyway?

t4JxNr2gszz2 votes

I watched a youtube video a really long time ago and it was a DotA player trying league for the first time. He was decent at moving around and learned some of the hotkeys however a very huge point he made was the fact that he had no idea what his lane opponents' abilities did in game in real time, maybe help some new people out? the greatest hurtle i feel in league is learning what every champion does and their limits.

BobSilverwind2 votes

Is the tribunal even in future plans?

ModKagenoOu1 votes

Fix death recaps ASAP plz, its EXTREMELY important for understanding the flow of the game, i honestly dont mind seeing resources get shifted away somewhere else...

BobSilverwind2 votes

A suggestion if i may, get overwolf. It has a replay app that records all your ults/deaths/assists/kills IMO its much better if your really in depth trying to analyse your game play then any death recap will ever be. Permits you to relive the moment understand if your mistake was map awareness, sheer math or fog of war.

Death recap will always only give you the numbers...which game to game wont vary by particularly much.

Ján1 votes

I was wondering if the new client/update will effect my FPS in-game since I dont have the best computer I was wondering if I still be able to run it.

Argon Glow2 votes

I believe the new client won't affect anything in-game. Everything after champ select will be exactly the same.

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