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Are we going to get more thematic events like the Freljord- and Bilgewater-themed events we've had so far? How long do they take?

Hello!

TL;DR: We won’t be doing a single event that contains all of the components Bilgewater had last year. Instead we want to continue delivering on all the same types of content found within the Bilgewater event, but in a way that ensures better quality and cadence.

Still reading? Cool. Let’s dig in a bit.

Though Bilgewater had a lot of positives, it was an utter beast to produce that was further complicated by our focus on a singular release window. Putting my Narrative hat on (it has a quill in it!), Burning Tides was 11,000-word story that had to tie into various product teams who all had awesome stuff they wanted to deliver to players, but with wildly varying production schedules. Bringing all those moving parts together was extremely challenging, as it shackled teams and reduced their ability to produce content at their own speed.

After we completed our production analysis of the Burning Tides event (including the amount of energy drinks consumed per capita), it became obvious there was little chance of us doing something similar more than once per year. In turn, it meant each individual part of the event was also being restricted to the same cycle.

We wanted to continue delivering cool content such as game modes, high quality stories that progressed over time, themed skins and so on, but in a way that meant we didn’t have just one high burst of overlapping (and sometimes competing) content in a narrow window before we went quiet again. The bottlenecks compounded on each other and reduced each team’s effectiveness.

Additionally, one of the most consistent pieces of feedback players had given to Narrative was to stop disappearing for a year at a time (or more) after each event, as we had since Freljord.

By decoupling each aspect of an event, we can deliver story progression, rotating game modes, skins and more on their own terms and with increasing regularity.

You’ve already seen the benefits of us unlocking ourselves from unwieldy events in Shadow and Fortune (along with the updated Shadow Isles bios and foundational content), Targon, and the progression of Shurima’s story, along with the themed bundle of bios, contextual material, and the Bloodlines story.

By not having to work under the parameters of a studio-wide endeavor like Burning Tides, we’re able to create stories and other content that support League of Legends and expand the world of Runeterra in a much more focused, nimble way. It also allows us to deliver fun content like rotating game modes and, for skins, to produce awesomeness like PROJECT rather than having to throw everything into one humongous, single-focus event.

Though I completely understand disappointment in not having a ‘Bilgewater event’ this summer, I hope you will enjoy the content we can produce, because it’s good.

Story-wise, we are working on something rather saucy for a little later this year we think lovers of story will enjoy. In fact, the amount of pure storytelling we’re planning for 2016 will be more than we’ve ever done previously. My apologies for any confusion caused by the expectations we set in the past. However, I hope I’ve helped clarify our thinking on how we can get the best content to you at an improved pace. We’re rather excited about what we have in the works, and I promise we won’t kill anyone in the next big story.

Well, except [REDACTED!] of course, but they’ve just been asking for it.

Cheers,

Jaredan, Senior Editor- Narrative



How is work on the client update coming along?

Swimmingly, but we still have a ways to go! The feedback given to us by our first batch of alpha testers has been tremendously helpful for all of us working on the client, and we're steaming ahead with our release schedule. We're adding Twisted Treeline and our reworked Champion Detail pages now, with the normal draft and ranked queues up next.

Our dedication to building this thing from scratch means that we've had to slow down development of features unrelated to the client update, but it's worth the investment—by the time we're done, League's client will be better looking, more stable, and much better structured to allow Riot teams to efficiently develop new features.

Plenty of folks have signed up for the alpha, but we'll need lots more testers as we thunder toward the finish line. Sign up to become a tester yourself, or check out client update website to track our progress.

Riot MrHark and Cactopus, Brand Manager and Writer- League Client Update



What does the future hold for Ranked 3s?

In patch 6.13 we added timed windows to ranked 3’s that match up with the ranked 5’s play times. We did this because it's a pretty low population queue and there were a lot of poor queue times and matches being made outside of those windows. We're going to see how these changes work and so far, our data shows it has substantially improved queue time and match quality.

Ranked 3's came from a time when we saw the future of League as being a variety of different maps that were always available. It turns out this vision just isn’t the most compelling. It's fair to view the work that we currently do on Twisted Treeline as maintenance.

If we made Twisted Treeline today, it would be for our Rotating Game Mode Queue (RGMQ) – that's where we mix things up and give you fresh modes for a shorter amount of time. If the population for Ranked 3's stays healthy, we’ll maintain the same windows as Ranked 5s. If the queue times become too long and the matchups are difficult to balance for the number of players in the queue, we’ll have to make a decision on whether it’s best if we move into in the the RGMQ where it will get shorter, healthier periods of play.

Riot Mirross, Producer for League of Legends meta game systems


Please feel free to hit us up in the comments. Each of the Rioters who answered will do their best to engage in a conversation with you.

628 Comments

POSI3DEN138 votes

If riot made summoners rift today I bet it would be on Rotating game mode q too

RiotRiot Cactopus431 votes

In this alternate universe, would League have just coasted along for seven years solely on ARAM?

Imagine the complaints: THIS MODE TAKES TOO LONG, WHAT ARE ALL THESE MONSTERS, and I DON'T LIKE RUNNING IN DIRECTIONS THAT AREN'T STRAIGHT LINES.

LordForrest94 votes

You, I like.

Shadow Strider80 votes

Agreed. Cactopus is easily one of my favorite Rioters. Seems like the kind of guy I'd love to just sit and have a chat with.

Keep being awesome, Cactopus!

RiotRiot Cactopus153 votes

<3 luv u guyz

500000000000000036 votes

Cactopus is the one who confirmed that Graves vaping is canon, iirc.

MistroTTC33 votes

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In this alternate universe, would League have just coasted along for seven years solely on ARAM?

Imagine the complaints: THIS MODE TAKES TOO LONG, WHAT ARE ALL THESE MONSTERS, and I DON'T LIKE RUNNING IN DIRECTIONS THAT AREN'T STRAIGHT LINES.

Don't forget people complaining about how you hate juggernauts because the snowballs were removed and how op nunu is because of his ability to secure barons and dragons.

Fòx14 votes

Hey Dominion could have actually had a player base back then! :)

MasterrBrigs11 votes

I know im the only one out there who thinks this, but Dominion was actually pretty fun, and I played all the time. Can't believe they took it away.. item 3073

HomicidalThor38 votes

Baron Who? Dragon What? What are all these crazy buffs? This dude just called support? What the Flappa is a support? Why are there SO MANY TURRETS!? What are these trinkets...and wards? (Hah, wards)

redfeenix7 votes

You're funny eh? BTW , just wondering why the league client update team needs a narrative writer? Is there something i'm missing here , that seems more like a business/tech project rather than narrative.

RiotRiot Cactopus26 votes

I don't do narrative stuff! I write all the blogs and player-facing messaging. Find a bunch of it here: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/client-update/news

redfeenix10 votes

ERGH WTF I just thought about what a cactopus would look like. Damn man that would be a scary af animal. Imagine a porcupine and octopus mixed together. HOLY SHIT i would be SO SCARED.

The spines wouldnt help with his hydrodynamics though, would slow him the fk down.

So essentially a slower, spikier, octopus. Where do you come up with these freakish ideas man jeez calm down.

redfeenix33 votes

Wow just checked out this alpha client page looks downright sick!

Make sure to include some capabilities to SEARCH for public clubs, allow changing game options OUT of game, some sort of PING display (before hitting QUEUE UP BUTTON), and please try to make it use less recources.

I havnt tried it yet but if I get ALPHA/ BETA Access I can provide more feedback. Looks awesome [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

(Also please remove the scrollbars from the shop. like jeez what).

TheNotoriousE70 votes

I just want to say I've been playing this game ever since season 3 and at some points in my life this game and the people who play it were my only friends. Thankyou for putting so much time into this game to make it better and thankyou for making me happy. -15 year old recovering from depression

RiotRiotJaredan65 votes

That means so much DORKaWhale69. Sincerely, thank you from all of us. It's the passion and love for the game that players like you put in that drives us to keep working harder to live up to those expectations. Best of luck with your recovery, I know how tough a road it is, and how much better you're going to feel.

OOPSi8 votes

This is the reason I have still kept playing this game, pretty much same as DORKaWhale69, started in early season 3, and I found so many nice people in the game, and it light up my world.

KoKoboto43 votes

Riot should have a page where you can find all the stories... right now if you don't know about it you would never be able to find it because you have to search for it using like google or something. And that's only if you know that theirs a story to be read in the first place!

RiotRiotJaredan47 votes

Yeah, we know it's certainly not ideal. We're looking to make some improvements to the current experience. Sorry I can't be more specific at the moment.

Shadow Strider18 votes

It'd be awesome if you guys maybe added a little tab in a later iteration of the new client that was basically a giant compilation of all the lore in the game sorted into sections. Not sure who would go about implementing something like that, but uh... you should pass that on to whoever might care >.>

Squaids Prime14 votes

Correct me if I am wrong but are summoners even apart of the lore anymore after the Shurima event? Me and some friends talk about it when playing and how if that is true, then some quotes wont make sense like Sona saying "only you can her me summoner" and others. But enough on that. I would love to see an easier way to look at the lore.

RiotRiotJaredan30 votes

Summoners are part of the story of Runeterra. We haven't released any of the stories that will show what that means just yet, but Summoners are not gone from the story.

redfeenix11 votes

Can we get products in other medias like comics or animated shorts ? Looking forward to seeing some stuff that is cool or affects me emotionally rather than just facts. Thank you very much, keep up your great work !

RiotRiotJaredan29 votes

Those are certainly things I'd like to see more of. I am being very vague. /backs away.

Tattersall41 votes

Did someone say mor storytelling?[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

RiotRiotJaredan42 votes

Yes! Mor!

RoTenjo30 votes

I just wanna be able to play the bilgewater map on aram again, there doesn't seem to be a reason to not have it. It would be nice if it could be implemented somehow all year round

Okibruez8 votes

Why would they have it back? It's functionally identical to the normal ARAM map, and splitting the population of that game mode for entirely superficial reasons would be a dumb move, not to mention that not enough people agree with you to make it worth changing the entire map permanently; I'm personally very fond of the Murder Bridge, for example.

Also, if they bring back any superficial change to one of the maps, I'd like the seasonal changes to Summoner's Rift to come back, but Rito has stated that they don't plan on doing anything like that again. Your best bet is to download a client-side mod to change the visuals of the game on your end.

WhomTheBardTolls19 votes

He wasn't saying make a new gamemode just because he thought Aram wasn't good enough. He was saying that it would be cool if they could switch out how it looked every once in a while like they did with bilgewater.

It would be really nice for it to be randomized which we get, even though it wouldn't be special other than the looks. Make it happen please!

The Cashmaster11 votes

I second this. Starting a game of ARAM not knowing what map "skin" (if you will) would be fun!

thefirstmrstihl15 votes

it would add new meaning to all random

Pooch7622 votes

Please make tt ranked permanent.

RiotRiot Cactopus37 votes

So, I talked to some of our lead game design guys, and I have a funny anecdote which explains why we can't make ranked TT permanent. Because the queue was available all the time, there were some times late at night when SO few people were playing it that two teams could just queue up and feed each other wins to boost each other straight to the top of the ladder. It was so dead, and so few people were playing it, that they could actually queue up in the general population and get matches against each other reliably all the time.

So, honestly, the ranked ladder on TT wasn't worth anything because so few people were there that it was being taken over by cheaters. Making it a scheduled queue solves this.

Drayconis28218 votes

Sure it solves that specific problem, of course it screws over people like me and my friends, who can only play after the stupid Scheduled time slot. Me because I work let, them because they have a kid. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

TT would be worth a lot more if you were willing to actually crack down on cheaters and not just screw everyone over. It's the game mode I personally prefer to play over SR. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

NowTHISIsPodrcng12 votes

As someone who has played a lot of ranked 3's in the middle of the night, I have to say that I still disagree. I think your reasoning is good, but honestly still kills it. I think you're hurting more than you're helping. Just my humble opinion, but ranked 3's doesn't even mean that much. Having someone boost doesn't bother me at all vs someone who would be found boosting in solo queue. It's a way fun game mode and I miss it, dang it! Besides, finding the same team twice in a row sometimes was a good rematch :)

Kürama48 votes

I'm going to ask this again, please do not remove TT. 2 permanent maps is going to kill the diversity League offers.

I'm a hardcore Dominion main (as my icon portrays). I haven't gotten over your decision to remove Dominion and I don't think I will if you remove TT as well.

Dominion was my 2nd (and a very close 2nd) home and it was taken away from myself and many other Dominion mains. An icon does NOTHING to compensate the time and effort we've put into Dominion and ultimately bring back the memories and the amazing times the Dominion community experienced.

Twisted Treeline was my 3rd home, it's now my 2nd home due to the removal of Dominion. I still haven't gotten over Dominion being removed and I really, really don't want to know how I would feel if my now 2nd home is removed (again).

I don't play on the Howling Abyss, it's not a home for me and will not replace TT.

#Please on behalf of the Twisted Treeline community, we sincerely ask you to retain our home and our place in League.

Cuoco Diavolo31 votes

As an avid treeline player most of my games are on that map now unless I am playing with other people. I will actually quit playing if treeline is removed to the RGM I have spent countless hours dedicated to learning and mastering treeline to the point that I have played with some famous league summoners in a few games Meteos being one of them. As for the reason that treeline has such a small community Riot you only have yourself to blame on that. 3's has always been restricted to either normals or team ranked we donlt get any of the cool features like draft pick in normals or being able to go solo in ranked, and because of that there is no real draw of new players to the game mode it just exists. I have even had people I know try out treeline for the first time after they hit 30 never played it before because there is literally no promotion of the mode and they couldn't believe that there was such an interesting and different way to play league. Riot I beg don't get rid of this game mode it means a lot to us treeline players.

Jaghatai10 votes

Ranked 3's and Dominion (which we all know the fate of) is the only reason I kept playing for the last nearly 3 years.

Summoners rift isn't fun. Playing with randoms isn't fun. Blue-side advantage isn't fun. The playtime of the mode isn't fun.

Plain and simple 5's isn't fun.

Dominion - that was fun. Ranked 3's was tough, but it was fun.

ARAM was novel - but now it's boring and it doesn't teach you anything. There is no mode to just go and learn a champion anymore.

"Go play 5's" ... yeah right ... take an unlearned champion into 5's ... I've learned that lesson a long time ago. Even in normals it's beyond painful. Between the harassment of team-mates and the fact that you get to suck for 40 minutes as you learn the champion ... yeah ... no thanks ...

Dominion was the perfect learning ground. Threes is fast and fun and competetive.

Both of them are dying or have died because you refused to support them and then cited your lack of support as "why they need to die"

Spiral Continuum8 votes

This is almost entirely due to under-support by Riot and the unfortunate focus on SR, which, while occasionally fun, many people view as just a game-mode and not a complete game. Riot seems to play lip-service to this when many people are pretty bored with it.

This is where all of the calls for new game modes being made permanent came from (hello "give us URF back!" crowd) and constant frustration with the player-bleed due to no support for Dominion and Treeline. Hell I know a guy who quit when he found out Magma Chamber was officially scrapped.

My suspicion is that Riot/Ten-Cent's sustainability plans simply involve appealing to new players as they age-in to target age-bracket rather than trying to expand demographic appeal through new modes. Which makes a certain amount of sense given market-saturation in the field.

Why I don't understand is why, instead of doing belabored maintenance on supposedly dying game-modes they don't try to reinvigorate them through promotion? Why not have official tournaments or rewards for the mode? A lot of irregulars logged into Dominion queue when it was announced it was being shuttered simply to see if they could get that icon(despite it being fairly clear from the announcement that that wasn't an option)! Or maybe a segment on unofficial tourneys by professionals for Prime Time League? Or pro-play events being broadcast by the Esports team?

I'm not saying any of this would necessarily work, and it's totally possible that a mode can die and people who haven't give up will be disappointed. It's just extremely frustrating to see a mode die to Riot seemingly not caring about the mode.

Saying that a mode is shrinking and maybe should have been a rotating mode both ignores it's history(it was popular enough to warrant a map-rework at one point!) and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because who wants to put in the time to learn a mode that is apparently slated for the chopping block?

It's saying to the Treeline populace "beatings will continue until morale improves". Going to be hard to keep them coming back. Just as it was with Dominion.

Aurie22 votes

As an avid ARAM player, I really appreciated the work that went into creating all the art and assets for the Bilgewater event. It seems like such a waste to have those assets tossed by the wayside. Would it ever be possible to implement the Bilgewater map again in a way that wouldn't fracture the user base? Perhaps have a coin flip decide whether players get Howling Abyss or Bilgewater?

eV Gumdrop15 votes

So when are we getting a statistic on how many people are actually playing this game? Or are we not allowed to be informed that league is dying lmfao.

Spartor132 votes

And this is probably example A on why league might be dying. People like you are so caught up in a solipsistic mindset and are just hateful inside. You cant appreciate what you have, but would rather focus on the negative aspect, like trying to make everyone think that league is dying and Riot is terrible. If you ask me, you have a serious case of bronze rage.

RiotRiot Cactopus115 votes

guys let's just hug it out over here in the corner of this thread. League is fine, we're all fine.

the rest of you just wait a minute. Me, eV Gumdrop, and WatchMyDeathMark need a moment to ourselves

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miniZergling28 votes

Get a room you 3! [slayer-jinx-wink]

Decrit12 votes

Remember the item 3020

llkeeperll15 votes

New Map? Like, ever? I mean I know its requested a lot but guys, I and many others have been playing league since season one. I for one am getting kinda bored with Sommoners Rift being the only 5v5 option. It sucks cause I absolutely love league's characters, and lore, but I'm drifting away cause of repetitiveness.

Jawst14 votes

mehhhhh

RiotRiot Cactopus108 votes

JAWST IS UNIMPRESSED

we're gonna try to do better for you next time, friend xD

Necro Warrior879 votes

first one here! Also Im A Alpha tester!

RiotRiot Cactopus40 votes

gj bb

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