RiotScruffy talks ChampUp and Poppy!

I don't get the thing about the point-and-click stun being unfair. Sure, it's not a skillshot, but it does require reflexes and an understanding of opportunity cost, and it does have counterplay.

Unless I'm mistaken, several assassins can get their full burst off in less than a second, which means that if you're sluggish with your stun, there are negative consequences. The fact that it's single-target and has a medium-long cooldown outside of an extended duel means that using it carelessly during a teamfight or an enemy gank makes your ADC vulnerable. The range is perfect. It's long-enough to prevent Taric from being hopelessly kiteable, and unlike Tahm Kench, he's not stuck on a 200-unit leash to his ADC. On the other hand, it's not long enough that he can stun targets that he's completely unable to chase down, and the fact that it's damage falls off with distance means that it can't be used as an obnoxious harass tool.

The ability also has a reasonable amount of counterplay. It can be countered by:

• champions with a spellshield
• champions who can block projectiles
• champions who can go untargetable
• items that block or remove CC
• champions who are invulnerable to CC

Altogether, that adds up to about ten champions and three items that have mechanics that can outright negate the ability. Plus, even if it can't be blocked or negated entirely, the duration can be reduced by the various sources of tenacity.

Also, as a side note, remember that there are some distinct disadvantages to point-and-click abilities--the primary one being that it can't hit targets that the user doesn't have vision of.

Maybe I didn't address your specific concern with the ability. If so, please let me know what it is.

he is literally but with ad.

all ad comps meet a brick wall with him. and squishys arnt so squishy with him.

The thing that I love about Taric's kit is that he has a bit of everything! I don't see what's wrong with that. While Riot's current kit design philosophy might say that's bad because he doesn't have a strategic niche, I would say that the fact that he can do just about everything is unique--especially in light of Riot's recent trend of designing champions' kits as uber-specialized strategic caricatures.

As far as Shatter's bonus armor goes: activating shatter only gets rid of the flat armor bonus that he gives to himself, not the aura. Yes, reducing his armor reduces the strength of his aura, but only by 3-4 armor, even at max rank, which is a healthy type of tactical decision to incorporate into a kit.

Regarding the non-supportish elements of his kit, there's a reason that his secondary type is Fighter (NOT Tank). As long as he hasn't been starved of gold or experience, he has very good dueling power. That's simply a (vastly under-utilized) part of who he is.

While I would agree that his kit lacks mechanical cohesion, I think it has absolutely beautiful thematic cohesion as a gem-wielding paladin, and to me, that's what matters.

i would argue that rather then trying to over complicate and make taric a harder champion to play he just needs a numbers rework with his ap ratio so that he does slightly more damage for those who decide to dip into that pool, obviously a visual update but other than that i think his kit works perfectly as a support. the beauty of his kit is that you have the ability to switch from pure defence to offence and in teamfights he is able to contribute a lot.

You pick Taric when you don't trust your adc's ability to play safe so you want someone who can keep him alive or go ham when your adc tries to go ham. At least that is why I play Taric, and he is my 2nd most played champ

I've played him in jungle since S4 whenever Riot didn't make absurd jungle related decisions, and he's been amazing to me since, and one of my faves. One of the few reasons I even bother with this game, in fact.

In jungle you get all the farm you need so you can scale well, he brings a lot of dueling power to any lane he ganks, making him a good counter-ganker, or just pass by sustainer, being in jungle means he gets to meele more often and he is a good meta and comp based pick. I could 1v1 adcs or Yasuo and just come out on top unscathed, and he has amazing zoning or team backup, push for objectives and so on.

I would say I love him jungle exactly because he is so good at covering for flaws or tactical mistakes from your team mates, and he can be both passive or aggressive, and he's just a great pick for pubs.

Yes, his kit is actually built more for roaming or solo laning, or a passive playstyle bot requiring coordination, and so what? That means he already HAS his place in the meta, just not the one Riot wants to force feed to us.

He is a strong tank with good damage dealing nonetheless, but who's kit also backs up your team more directly than other tanks, and this overall DOES MAKE HIM UNIQUE! But he's unique in a natural way, not the artificial way Riot wants. He has a niche, but in a fun way, not the "meta" way Riot thinks it actually understands.

See, in other actually intelligent strategy games, it's actually a good, smart desgin to have a champ/deck/build/strategy that does a little bit of everything in a good order and timing, exactly because it matches the flow of the game...It's almost as if it's, dare I say, BALANCED?

No, the only real problem here is Riot's "disssign furrloserfy" for games spectacle sports...

Keep in mind that, in terms of relative strength, you can't compare an AP scaling and an Armor scaling by percentage value alone. Ability power is not an inherently useful stat. AP-scaling abilities give AP its usefulness, which inversely means that it would be a waste of gold on champions who do not scale with AP. Armor, on the other hand, does have inherent value, which means that it's useful even on champions who don't scale with armor. An AP-based 20% Spellblade passive is pretty meh, but an Armor-based 20% Spellblade passive is excellent, because despite the gold-per-point of the two stats being nearly equal, Armor also has inherent defensive value. So, I daresay that he scales primarily off of Armor, not AP. As for Taric not having room to build AP, I do think that it's viable to slip in a little bit of AP from items, but I may be in the minority on that.

If you're already doing well by yourself, he's great. If you're counter-picked or just having a bad game, he's relatively useless.

Isn't that how all champions are? From my experience with him, I'd say that he's less feast-or-famine than the majority of champions in the game.

I can't tell you how many times I've been stunned by a Taric then proceeded to kill his ADC who tried to follow up on it.

Then the Taric or the other ADC is doing something wrong. Either the Taric player stunned his enemy's ADC when they were way out of range, he chose a poor time to initiate the trade, or his allied ADC is just plain bad at follow-up.

As for him not having an effect on the game... that's simply not true. He offers better 2v2 potential than any other support in the game. Mid- and late-game, he offers team-wide sustain and armor, as well as good protection for the ADC. Late-game, he turns into an unkillable raidboss, allowing him to take sustained damage from turrets and champions, giving him good backdooring and baiting. Furthermore, his ultimate has an extremely low cooldown and is excellent for taking objectives quickly.

As for the things people love about Taric, you can bet that those will stick around, he'll just do it in a different way that's more clear to the other players.

What evidence do you have of this? Riot is very inconsistent when it comes to how well they preserve champion identities in their kit reworks. Plus, different players like different things about their champions, and I think that part of what makes Taric enjoyable is that he's so well-rounded, and not an extremely specialized champion that people only like because of one specific thing.

If they change the lollipoppy art, there will be riots, as people can no longer engage in psychological warfare from the loading screen.

You guys should do a table of content thing for example in this Sourcefednerd video they talk about many different thing and a random guy in the comment just created a table of content. It was very helpful because it help the viewer know where to find what they want to know and avoid stuff they don't want to know like spoilers or stuff they are not interested in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HD5k2rp69s

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