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League Community Podcast Ep. 3

Riot··3 votes·40,383 views

Thanks for checking out the League Community Podcast! We’re here to share the experiences and perspectives of the people who help make League possible. Expect new guests and new stories every couple of weeks or so. Also: We’re listening! Drop your comments, ratings and reviews right here so we can keep striving toward a Challenger tier podcast.

This week, Jeff “Lyte” Lin guests hosts a discussion about the new champ select and dynamic queues. He’s brought along designers, Eric “Socrates” Kenna and Kam “boourns” Fung to highlight the challenges and controversies of building these seismic shifts to the League experience.


61 Comments

RiotZwill16 votes

Hey all!

If you're not interested in a bit of banter at the beginning (even though I highly recommend listening to it ;)), you can skip to around 7:24 for the "meat" of the conversation.

Thanks and we hope you enjoy the podcast!

Kruxity Nenthus2 votes

I really hope these Dynamic ques don't ruin the challenger leader boards :(

S H A Y C 010 votes

Who cares about the challenger leaderboard??? 5 of them are qtpie anyway!

GRAYxKNIGHT4 votes

still looking for when you'll let me organize my champion selection screen so i can sort by roles and get the champions im not planning on playing out of my sight so they dont clutter up my selection. maybe then people with large champ pools but small memory can look at only the group of champions that they plan on playing given a specific role and make quicker decisions on what champ may be best given your comp, out of ALL the 120+ champs in the game, you can more easily choose that ONE that will fit your comp perfectly.

Dariusquatch1 votes

DrMundo can you recommend a chemo doctor?

Invariel7 votes

Was it ever suggested that each member of the team get a ban? With the sheer number of champions in the game, ten bans might be a better option than six. I do look forward to trying the system out, and commenting on it once it is live.

RiotZwill6 votes

You should listen to the podcast! We talk about how we settled on the new Pick/Ban phase.

Invariel6 votes

I did, I didn't hear anything about increasing the number of bans (though I may have been distracted by cats at the time).

JRobin312 votes

They briefly touched on this at the same time that they touched on all the other ways to design the pick ban phase. They did _not_say why they chose to go with three bans instead of five bans on each side in this podcast. However, the question has been asked on other discussions and the two principle reasons given in response are that

  1. they don't want to increase the minimum number of champions required to play from 16 to 20 and
  2. that they are worried that more bans will negatively impact the champions available for play because of over banning (even though there are more than a hundred champions only a few champions tend to get banned heavily).

The main arguments for five bans each side are

  1. there are so many champions in the game now
  2. every player should have equal power in champion select (via distributed bans).

It does sound like they are making progress towards each player having equal power in champion select by using distributed bans. So I think that the question of more bans will come down to the question of champions being overly banned or not.

warpenguin5551 votes

i didnt hear it either. Does anybody know at what time they said something about more bans

LouisLeGros2 votes

I was very disappointed in the discussion as it did not address any of my concerns with the system.

The discussion on dynamic queue was the only part that really even approached discussing issues I have with the system, but nothing was mentioned about people who simply prefer not playing with organized groups and prefer the solo unorganized environment. Of course with enough games you are still going to get to your appropriate MMR and the best people will still rise, you'd really have to fuck up the system for that not to remain true. There could still be concerns with how this will effect the top of the ladder, but as someone who generally doesn't try to get above gold that doesn't particularly concern me.

The things that most concern me with the new champion select weren't even mentioned, let alone discussed. The closest thing was a short mention of if the new system would reward one trick ponies.

There was nothing about the fill feature and how the new system takes away incentives from being flexible with roles and champion picks. In the current system maining a role/champion is already one of, if not the best, ways to climb and improve. In the new system it is forcing you to emulate being like pros and picking roles and champions at the start of the game. The thing is that not everyone likes having to pick a role, let alone a champion at the start of the game.

Personally I like the current system where I get a gauge for what position people are comfortable with playing through chat, seeing the bans, and then seeing initial picks to determine what I want to play. Even when I queue with a group of friends I hate having to pick my role before things have even started, having to do this with strangers is going to really going to lower my desire to play any mode with the new champion select. With the current system I could see that we have Master Yi jungle main and see that top is open and pick something like Maokai to give our team some bulk and peel for later in the game when Yi is split pushing and we're defending the 4v5 push.

With the new system I'd have to queue into and get selected for top for that scenario to work. As someone that likes to play tanks top this new system is pretty much going to make me never play top. With my experience in League I've always found my most useful position to be in working around the rest of the picks of my team and the enemy. In the current system I can comfortably grab top when it is open and I see that our team could use a tank top. In the new system if I want top I have to specifically pick top and then rely on my team picking around me being a specific tank. Sure I can switch which tank I pick once it gets to my turn to pick, but everyone is going to be picking their intended picks around what you initially lock in. If the initial picks and bans don't gel with my champion pool then I'm probably going to have a bad time going top, so I'm probably just not ever going to bother queuing for it in the first place and never play it again because of the new system.

I like playing different roles depending on the situation and it feels like the new system is just robbing me of this and taking my desire from playing anything but ARAM.

The "fill" feature is going to nothing to alleviate this issue. When you fill you are still going to get assigned an inflexible role dictated by the new system. Depending on your MMR what role is least popular will fluctuate and you might be surprised that you were assigned jungle instead of support this game. However, it still doesn't fill the flexibility of filling in the current system. Accommodating players that were comfortable with fewer roles and picking champions/roles to help a team come together was a very rewarding aspect of being a well rounded player who was willing to fill and it is a viable method for climbing. Now that play style is being stripped from the game and you are going to be incentivized to fit into the new system of maining a role like the "pros" even if you don't like playing the game that way.

This podcast didn't really address any of this and it seems like these issues are being completely ignored because a large percentage of the player base just want to pick a role and not have to worry about discussing roles in champion selection. If you are a player that likes to fill and not be forced into a specific role before picks and bans have even started you are being ignored and your playstyle is being heavily disincentivized and the play style of maining a role/champion, which was already probably the most rewarded way of climbing, is being essentially forced onto everyone.

InsanitysTheName1 votes

You could always select fill...

Th4ren1 votes

everyone can show what they want to play early on so you should have a good Idea what your comp needs you just wont know what the enemy is picking yet. if you want to wait for more info you can ask if anyone wants to trade with you and tell them what you want later. that combined with the fill feature makes it better than the current system for fill mains. You clearly want to make a fuss more than bring up a real issue, and the fact that you claim to be into the picking strategy then say "taking my desire from playing anything but ARAM" is just ridicules. as a fill main who loves the strategy of champ select there is no greater waste of time than ARAM.

LouisLeGros1 votes

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everyone can show what they want to play early on so you should have a good Idea what your comp needs you just wont know what the enemy is picking yet. if you want to wait for more info you can ask if anyone wants to trade with you and tell them what you want later. that combined with the fill feature makes it better than the current system for fill mains. You clearly want to make a fuss more than bring up a real issue, and the fact that you claim to be into the picking strategy then say "taking my desire from playing anything but ARAM" is just ridicules. as a fill main who loves the strategy of champ select there is no greater waste of time than ARAM.

I guess because I like picks and bans for games on Summoner's rift I can't enjoy ARAM [slayer-jinx-unamused] .

Sure in the new system I can ask people to trade, but the new system is incentivizing you to main roles and not have to worry about being able to play off roles. People who are trying to get a one or two roles are already difficult to get to trade, when roles are assigned and you are guaranteed one of two roles I see the willingness of people to trade roles to decrease with the new system.

Similarly the fill feature isn't going to do anything to fix this, the new system is going to bring expectations of people getting assigned a role and not expecting having to trade. When you pick fill you are just going to get assigned the unpopular roles that people are already going to be less likely to want to trade for when they are asked.

I don't see how that is going to make things better for fill mains. The new system is just going to make fill mains have less variety in roles played and less flexibility in champion and role selection in any individual game.

ABoldGoose5 votes

excuse me riot put this into consideration for a new champ if u do gift me it :D

Name: Dipper Sub-Name: the Spirit Earthwarden Passive: Soul Of Gaia After Dipper Casts 5 spells grants Death Tested. The Next Spell Dipper Casts grants Soul Mark to the enemy champion that it hits. Hit the soul marked enemy with earthen spike supresses target. Hit the soul marked enemy with Soul Blast slows target. Hit the soul marked enemy with Comet Strike deals bonus true damage Q: Earthen Spike Valaby strikes the ground with Zaluga sending a fissure to the enemy champion dealing magic damage to target enemy and knocking them up. W: Earthborn Weapon Passive: deals bonus true damage to soul marked champions. Active: Self cast: Empowers Zaluga granting bonus ad and armor to Dipper Ally Cast: Grants Bonus armor and movespeed to target champion Enemy Cast: Jump-Strikes target enemy champion dealing damage to enemy champion and orders all okaraby to attack that target champion if they are in range. E: Soul Blast: Passive: Killing Minions and monsters Grants Dipper 0.10 armor and ad. Active: Blasts Target With souls from his past enemies Dealing Magic Damage. R: Comet Strike Dipper Throws Zaluga toward target location dealing massive damage to enemies hit in that line Weapon: Zaluga. A Stone Spear Tipped With Souls.

LeagueOfLejhins18 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts

This is where this idea should go. Try not to spam other areas of chat with unrelated topics please

WitchBlxdes4 votes

I really enjoy these! Thanks :3

killa8004 votes

I will like to see zyra get a new skin

Pope Of Nope2 votes

The devs are afraid of her thorns, thats why they stay away Zyra

Muskokan1 votes

blackberry syndra

Solidair32 votes

Lyte in Podcast form?! SIGN ME UP

Lyrical Geniuz2 votes

I'm so sure of this,but if you didnt use soundcloud I think the number of clicks you get on this would go up 100%. Soundcloud is by far the worst in everyway. The fact it is so loud when you click play and there is no volume bar is by far my number 1 reason for hating this website so dumb its unreal.

Saltiest Yordle5 votes

Thats why you lower your volume... Lower the volume on your browser itself. Lower the volume on your computer. Lower the volume using your gaming keyboard. Heres my favorite Download it and then lower it on your media player.

Tomate Cru1 votes

Really? Like... Really?

Dotajuana2 votes

Honestly the only thing I want to see in a future patch (and am shocked I have not seen this recently,) is faster map loads. I am so tired of 9/10 players sitting at 100% waiting on that 1 player who takes 3000% longer than everyone else to load the map, AND I would like to see the case where 10 players sit at 100% load rate for a full 5-6 minutes before the map finally loads be fixed.

This should be priority #1, 10+ minute map load times are becoming common, 1/4 games I would say, and I never take longer than 20-30 seconds to load the map on my pc, these 10 minute map loads have got to go.

DorkunedAuras5 votes

Then buy all the people with toasters new computers. It's not on Riot there.

low iq eboy2 votes

I thought the champ select would be urf music ;D

Geronimoo1 votes

'-'

CommadorBatman1 votes

Whoa it sounds like you guys use scaled agile framework for dev

simokillyou1 votes

item 3151 summoner 6 Teemo

Zhepp1 votes

This was an excellent podcast! Thanks guys!

TwistedGalaxi1 votes

Love these guys! Keep it up

unbrokenBullet1 votes

Thank you so much for reaching out to the community in different ways! I love listening to these as it gives the game way more personality and connection than before.

Palaven1 votes

Best one yet! Regardless of when this was recorded, it constitutes fresh content because the new queue system hasn't been released yet. Its also a topic of extreme interest for many players, especially the dynamic queueing. Great work!

JustARivenMain1 votes

I'd honestly think it'd be really cool to see animated splash arts in loading screens, as some people take longer and looking at still Images all day can be boring ;)

EMP TeemoMobile1 votes

im here cause I don't know were else to post it wny one else randomly getting a black screan on champion select that crashes your game and mark's you ditching a game? Also Stop nerfing teemo hell he has bein so nerfed he need's to get some help leblank one shot's him at level 1

Hex Veiler1 votes

sneakily gives the development team beef jerky

nerf LeeSin

cat bus77777771 votes

Yasuo >Zilean

warpenguin5551 votes

What I want is a Q&A podcast. Like get somebody from the Update team, balance team, etc to answer community submitted questions for a bit.

Meta Riley1 votes

Not to insult any pro players out there, but I'd say pros are more meta sheep band wagoners, than GD will ever be. They play what they are comfortable with and what they think is really strong in the current meta, they have little reason to go outside of the box and play different champions.

They aren't playing for fun so it's strictly business, they have their pool of comfort champions. That being said Akali, Katarina, Nami, Blitz and I want to say Rammus were all played in LCS this season or last season.

Don't see it as a bad thing, with the current community anything that excels in solo queue/pro play gets nerfed immediately. It's the way of the land with this game, there isn't a such thing as buffing less popular picks so it'll always just be an endless circle of the same 20-40 champions until one pro decides to take a leap and play something new. Then the new pick if it has success will see nerfs and the cycle continues.

If pros played more champions, there would be more nerfs and changes. I for one, pray each and every LCS day that no one picks Fizz/Fiora because I know what happens when champions do well in the limelight. +4

ForzaEast1 votes

I love listening to these podcasts in the morning while getting ready for work. Awesome job!

Geronimoo1 votes

That sounds a lot like urfs login screen

Keita1 votes

When does season 6 start? :D

Goddiva1 votes

Im excited to see these new changes!

HandsFadcOicho1 votes

shouldve been called 20 minute surrender.

Ezra Algard1 votes

Hey Riot, When will you introduce custom, searchable tags for champions? I've had this idea for a while now. Being able to type "top pusher" into the search bar and see a list of champions I have tagged with those terms.

If we are able to create custom item sets for champions, it'd be nice to be able to create custom tags for them too so that we can easily find the perfect fit for our team's needs.

Thanks!

Magicalcorndog1 votes

I like the idea of organizing your champions by role in champ select

sexymanbigmuscle1 votes

What song is that?

anchorboltplans1 votes

man 8 freaking mins of playful banter i had no interest in

anchorboltplans1 votes

ok next time im reading the comments first...

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